Wkd BO 03•25-27•16 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny

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Can't believe this is actually going to bomb, I legit thought BvS would be pretty much bulletproof even with all that negativity.
 
DeathyBoy said:
That's not a bomb.

Disappointing, yes. But isn't a bomb, ya know, kinda a 'shit, we haven't even made the budget back' angle?
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Eh, sure. I'll take it as a huge disappointment then, because I think that WB at least hoped they would make back the budget.

Overseas might help but I'm not familiar with the % they get so I'll wait and see before saying that again.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Don't play the TDK card in this dojo, no-one thought that'd make a billion. It did twice Batman Begins box office no less. Still amazed TDKR did a billion too to be honest. I think we all fooled ourselves into thinking Batman had a billion dollars worth of box office on his own, when it was a combo of factors (Ledger, an incredible film, Nolan raising the bar) that got that to a billion.

It's the same way the next Iron Man film, without RDJ, is not coming close to a billion by the way.
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Not sure how you can write off TDK making a billion as a fluke when you yourself say TDKR also made a billion. Batman is clearly a billion-dollar franchise in the right hands, and this is not just a Batman film, it's basically their first Justice League film. I don't need to say how the returns on their first "superhero mashup" film compare with the Marvel equivalent.
 
Maintenance said:
Eh, sure. I'll take it as a huge disappointment then, because I think that WB at least hoped they would make back the budget.

Overseas might help but I'm not familiar with the % they get so I'll wait and see.
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At worse it'll do better then Spectre on a similar budget WW, I think? That's not a bomb. Disappointing sure.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Disappointing, yes. But isn't a bomb, ya know, kinda a 'shit, we haven't even made the budget back' angle?
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Well, it's probably gonna break even next week, but the return on investment is gonna be much, much worse than the studio expected and it's gonna kickstart the franchise with a severe under-performance to boot.

It's not as bad as, say, Pan or Mars Needs Moms, but the franchise was supposed to be WB's big thing for the next half decade so this is most definitely a disaster for them.
 
Branduil said:
Not sure how you can write off TDK making a billion as a fluke when you yourself say TDKR also made a billion. Batman is clearly a billion-dollar franchise in the right hands, and this is not just a Batman film, it's basically their first Justice League film. I don't need to say how the returns on their first "superhero mashup" film compare with the Marvel equivalent.
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I'd say they were both flukes and anomalies.

And it's not that I'd disagree with your 'right hands' rhetoric, but the point is that they struck it gold. That isn't something you can predict (Marvel didn't think The Avengers was going to make that much), it's down to a combination of factors outside anyone's control.

And yes, this didn't make Avengers money. But it wasn't a JL film. Nor was it marketed as one. Now I doubt JL will make Avengers money either, but that's a different debate altogether.
 
Maintenance said:
Eh, sure. I'll take it as a huge disappointment then, because I think that WB at least hoped they would make back the budget.

Overseas might help but I'm not familiar with the % they get so I'll wait and see before saying that again.
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I thought the budget was 250 million. Making 3 times the budget is usually good for a movie. 1 billion would be a much better than that but that was really expected off the characters alone. Marvel wasn't hitting 1 the billion mark 2 movies into their Universe and its only expected from DC because of the characters. I expected the same, but these movies are not bullet proof.
 
DeathyBoy said:
So your, and other peoples, logic in reaction to a 'bomb' is to.

1) Sack Snyder.
2) Find someone else to direct it.
3) Hope that person will use Snyder''s storyboards.
3a) If that person won't use Snyder's storyboards, delay the film.

Is that the logic? Because let me tell you, if they delay Justice League it'll cost them tens of millions at the least to keep sets/reschedule actors/reschedule crew. And if they have someone else shoot Snyder's storyboards, it's X-Men 3 all over again.

And that's not going to bring you the MCU version of the DCEU y'all want.
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Where did I say it was a bomb? The numbers are showing that it's going to be a massive disappointment for WB, but I think it's pretty much impossible for a movie starring Batman and Superman to be a bomb, especially after Nolan's trilogy.

And spending "tens of millions"(I would like to see receipts for that stat btw) to delay production and replace the director with a competent one is worth it for the potential hundreds of millions they would make on the box office for a film that's good instead of one that's shit.

After seven movies, we know what Zack Snyder is and what kind of movies he makes. It's not as if he's an upstart who's had a rocky start but is about to come into his own. Keeping him after MoS was a massive mistake by WB, and keeping him on after BvS would be an even bigger mistake IMO, to the point where it would damage the franchises involved for years.

gamz said:
Nolan has been actively involved as well and he did make the best SH film of modern times. So let's not pretend nobody has a clue.
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Let's not pretend that Nolan is providing anything other than lip service, considering an executive producer role is just that.

gamz said:
Nah. Nolan told him to make his movie because after he's done someone else will make it. He said don't be so precious on the characters and he agreed on the ending of BvS.

I mean that's basically what Nolan did in his movies was to make them all his own. Of course his movies are much tighter and he's a better director, but lets not split hairs! LOL!
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There was an article posted in the BvS RT thread where Nolan gave Snyder some advice(Superman shouldn't kill etc.) and Snyder flat out ignored it. Unfortunately I can't find the article but someone else might have it saved.

Branduil said:
Not sure how you can write off TDK making a billion as a fluke when you yourself say TDKR also made a billion. Batman is clearly a billion-dollar franchise in the right hands, and this is not just a Batman film, it's basically their first Justice League film. I don't need to say how the returns on their first "superhero mashup" film compare with the Marvel equivalent.
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Yeah someone's stanning is geting to their head a bit too much. I don't know how you can argue that Batman is not a billion dollar franchise after Nolan's movies.

If BvS wasn't such a shit movie, a billion wouldn't even be in question.
 
CassSept said:
Well, it's probably gonna break even next week, but the return on investment is gonna be much, much worse than the studio expected and it's gonna kickstart the franchise with a severe under-performance to boot.

It's not as bad as, say, Pan or Mars Needs Moms, but the franchise was supposed to be WB's big thing for the next half decade so this is most definitely a disaster for them.
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Next Week? I thought they need 800 $ million to break even due to the massive (~ 200 million) marketing, how would they get 300 million til then?
 
gamz said:
And there's a lot of good stuff in BvS. I loved a lot of it, but it's way too many ideas colliding and it doesn't hold the weight as a whole.
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no doubt. there's quite a few individual scenes that i love in this. but there's some awful stuff too, and i don't think the film works particularly well either.

in fact i have a hard time seeing anything topping that opening metropolis scene this year in comic movies and i'm a big fan of the xmen franchise (and spiderman and joker) too. it's one of the best comic action sequences i've seen. the charlie rose/ndt montage with superman rescuing around the world was great too. nice clips showing his god-like intervention. kudos to snyder for directing these sequences (and that very awesome and concise wayne murder intro) but god damn i wish this script went to a better director. it's ambitious and snyder aint good enough for it outside of his tight visuals and larry fong's work.
 
Discotheque said:
no doubt. there's quite a few individual scenes that i love in this. but there's some awful stuff too, and i don't think the film works particularly well either.

in fact i have a hard time seeing anything topping that opening metropolis scene this year in comic movies and i'm a big fan of the xmen franchise (and spiderman and joker) too. it's one of the best comic action sequences i've seen. the charlie rose/ndt montage with superman rescuing around the world was great too. nice clips showing his god-like intervention.
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I love the second Lex-Senator scene too, the one in his fathers study. Just for how you see Lex's amiability disappear and the real Lex emerges. Damn fine acting.
 
onipex said:
I thought the budget was 250 million. Making 3 times the budget is usually good for a movie. 1 billion would be a much better than that but that was really expected off the characters alone. Marvel wasn't hitting 1 the billion mark 2 movies into their Universe and its only expected from DC because of the characters. I expected the same, but these movies are not bullet proof.
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Really, 250 million? You're just gonna leave out the massive amount of money they spent on marketing?
 
John Dunbar said:
sounds like everything is a fluke or an anomaly in your world.
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I think Deadpool is a fantastic comic-book film, but no-one predicted or believed it'd earn that much money. And as the definition of an anomaly is something that deviates from what is expected, yes, I'd call Deadpool an anomaly.

Shhh, let him sulk.
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Sulk about what? I loved Deadpool. I'm glad it made a lot of money.
 
I got jumped on for mentioning the possibility that Deadpool could take down BvS back in one of the Feb threads given the right circumstances. Now we're already getting to the "Of course Deadpool is coming out on top, it had the perfect blend of secret spices" stage of hindsight. One week changed a lot.
 
Primethius said:
15m Friday?

Holy fuck. Though, I'm petty as hell regarding this movie and am glad it's dropping so hard.
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Gitesh Pandya ‏@GiteshPandya 12h12 hours ago
16% intl drop THU for #BatmanvSuperman to $16.8M. $345M intl total, global at $554M going into 2nd wknd. Shd smash $700M SUN.


Don't gloat too hard.
 
So unless Friday is $15M even and todays increase is something paltry like 20%, I doubt WB will actually put out a sub 50M estimate. We might be waiting for actuals to see the result of BvS v Hulk
 
kurahador said:
So...if Civil War turns out to be critically worse than BvS, will Marvel cancel Infinity War?
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Marvel can film Cap taking a shit for two hours and it'll still do better critically and financially.

"The drama and struggle is real! The ending where Spiderman shoots the web at the shit to help it out was inspiring"

; - p
 
So guys how does Spiderman work with Sony? Do they get a cut with the profits and if this ver of Spiderman is well rec'd can they make another Spiderman?
 
kswiston said:
So unless Friday is $15M even and todays increase is something paltry like 20%, I doubt WB will actually put out a sub 50M estimate. We might be waiting for actuals to see the result of BvS v Hulk
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Rth said earlier that Deadline's 15.5-17.5 estimate was "wishful thinking" so it seems like at the very least it's not 15.5.
 
gamz said:
So guys how does Spiderman work with Sony? Do they get a cut with the profits and if this ver of Spiderman is well rec'd can they make another Spiderman?
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i'm pretty Sony will get most of the profits since they are financing and distributing the film, Marvel will probably get a cut due to their involvement in the production
 
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