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I cannot wait for the first MCU "bomb" to see Box Office Gaf have a breakdown.
Wkd BO 0325-2716 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny
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I cannot wait for the first MCU "bomb" to see Box Office Gaf have a breakdown.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Oof...
what a world if Deadpool ends up the most successful X-men character and beats Superman and Batman
Closest we've gotten was AoU not beating Avengers
And that never was going to happen away. Did people actually think it was?
Have you already forgotten the AoU Bomba?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Sprinkle in the fact that even positive reviews came with the caveat of "yeah there are a bunch of problems".
I don't think Dr. Strange, or Black Panther, or Captain Marvel, or Inhumans bombing would be too crazy.
That is why I am prepping everyone for Captain Marvel.
ViewtifulJC
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BREAKING: Zack Snyder replaced by George Miller on Justice League!
Also WW, Cyborg, and Flash cancelled and their budgets are going towards the NuBatfleck trilogy.
Also WW, Cyborg, and Flash cancelled and their budgets are going towards the NuBatfleck trilogy.
captainnapalm
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Possibly. I just think that once something achieves meme status, there are huge groups of people who will get influenced by that alone. If the internet is telling people something is bad, a lot of people are going to just fall in line with that. It ends up affecting word of mouth because people are impressionable, and the meme was forming before most people even got to see it.
Yup. I blame the unreliable tracking sites. Had it tracked lower, the failure narrative wouldn't have been as strong at the time.
Chezzymann
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So does my prediction I made seem less crazy now? I was getting mocked for it a lot
BronsonLee
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I am, but nah I don't do photos
Bobby Roberts
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As bad as BvS is performing it's still not "bombing" - this is all about disappointment and unmet expectations. If it was actually "bombing" this minor brushfire would look more like someone trying to rub the cherry from their cigarette out on the carpet.
In order for this to be comparable, it'd have to be a Spidey + Wolverine movie, or something like that. Well, shit... it'd have to be Civil War. Or Avengers Infinity War. And the people making that movie would have to so strongly misjudge the market's current tastes that they don't do quite right by both the audience and the characters.
That's how you end up with this sorta situation.
If you're looking for another hit of this kinda schadenfreude, you'll probably wanna keep your eye on Ghostbusters. Which I hope to God doesn't drop the fucking ball. I really want that to be good.
But again, that's just how word of mouth works. That it can move faster, and can be attached to pictures now doesn't change the basic idea underneath. People are avoiding the movie because a plurality of people are telling them to avoid it. That's not really "unfair" to the movie. That's how word of mouth works.
Maybe in a couple months people will give it a shot and go "I guess it wasn't that bad." That sorta thing happens with every movie. Even the biggest disappointments have their ardent defenders. Art works differently on people. But the fact this thing achieved "meme status" this fast, and the reverse backlash already flared up - and then sputtered out within like 24 hours tops (and that's with WB marketing trying to fan those flames, too) really says something.
That was box office Gaf getting drunk on salt, AOU made 1.4 billion.
$53 million is a really generous estimate based on that Friday.
are you a wizard?
If BvS finishes just a 100 mil over Amazing SPiderman 2, Bobby Roberts will be unbearable.
milanbaros
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This isn't a bomb. Or even close. It is a disappointment for how wb are positioning this film. It is meant to start something but as a foundation it is very crumbly.
I do not think critic's necessarily have much influence on a film's success, but in the case of this film I would agree. When you go for a dark themed drama that takes itself extremely seriously, the film really needs to match the quality to be entertaining.
People went to other Transformers films after the second one because it had a lighthearted, family friendly, and humorous vibe going on. I think it was utterly terrible, but I was not bored in the cinema and went to Tranformers 3 anyways. People do not want to see a bleak mature/serious discussion about what Superman means to society when it is this badly written, with almost none of the characters making any sense.
People went to other Transformers films after the second one because it had a lighthearted, family friendly, and humorous vibe going on. I think it was utterly terrible, but I was not bored in the cinema and went to Tranformers 3 anyways. People do not want to see a bleak mature/serious discussion about what Superman means to society when it is this badly written, with almost none of the characters making any sense.
You might wanna check the date that was published.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Place your bets on over/under $50m
No that is JC, he knows what he is doing.
Gordon Shumway
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40 million. Why the fuck not, ya know? Let's get crazy.
milanbaros
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That was exchange rates. The film did very very well. Anyone calling that a disappointment probably didn't see the bonus the execs are getting. MCU is probably the most lucrative film franchise ever (except Star Wars and maybe Cars)
DarkJediKnight
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Is this April Fools?
echoshifting
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Let's not get crazy. BvS was far superior to any of the Transformers.
Simple common sense would tell you it wouldn't make more. Everybody saw the first one where would the other people who didn't see the first come from?
People seem to think that Batfleck is immune to any performance issues the film has but everything else is fucked. That seems weird to me. I mean, let's consider the facts.
- The other DC movies have different directors, concepts, and the characters don't really have anything to do with BvS directly.
- Batman, and Ben Affleck's version of the character, is directly tied to BvS and is defined by that movie.
- If Warner is going to have some sort of kneejerk reaction to BvS underperforming, wouldn't it make more sense for them to put double-dipping on Batfleck on ice rather than the other films which might have a chance of succeeding on their own?
- If the reception to the movie is so poor that people want to distance themselves from BvS completely, would Ben Affleck still want to direct and star in movies tied to the same character? Wouldn't he have better things to do?
Oh, I agree with that! I was speaking in terms of bad ratings by critics translating to box office success.
I personally enjoyed 1/3 of BvS, but that 1/3 was actually good, Transformers 2 in particular is a total trainwreck.
One would hope that they would actually look at the core of the criticism they get, rather than the ratings alone. Aflleck is one of the few good aspects most people agree on. But you have a point.
Bobby Roberts
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This was my first post in the thread:
To be clear: THIS SUCKS. I DO NOT LIKE THIS. I stuck up for Man of Steel for quite awhile. Not to DaveH levels, but still - I gave that film, and its director, and its stars, quite a bit of slack, and hoped that the positive aspects I saw getting smothered by bad storytelling would be allowed to shine in the follow-up with the removal of Goyer, the presence of Affleck/Terrio, and the pressure of launching a cinematic universe.
This is not what I wanted, and it sure as shit is not what WB wanted, either.
They're a studio that likes to let creatives do what they want. I love that. They got Magic Mike made, they got Mad Max made, they got Creed made. Midnight Special, Inherent Vice, Edge of Tomorrow... There's a reason filmmakers like working for that studio, and it's because the execs let them make their movies, more or less. I don't wanna see that changed.
But I'd also like for someone to maybe take a little closer look at the marriage between source material and creatives, and not hand over the reins to their Harry Potter replacement (which is what the DCU really is: It's not Marvel competition, it's trying to fill that Hogwarts sized hole they've got) to a guy whose biggest cinematic successes were three dark, mean, bloody R-Rated apocalypse fantasies.
It was rough on you when Guardians and Ant-Man did well, wasn't it?
No. Because fans and critics say he was the best part of it, and want a stand alone. I mean he already wrote the movie. I'm sure he doesn't want it sitting in a drawer and not do it. Anything is possible I guess...And maybe he bails. My guess is they are gonna throw a ton of money his way and if he really like his script he'll do it.
JadedWriter
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Heh, reminds me of a Snyder film I did genuinely enjoy troughout
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To be honest I really thought Ant-Man was going to flop as well. After all the negative buzz I am still surprised how it turned out and that we will see the guy in at least two other films prior to the Infinity climax.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
bout to use my time machine to tell people a R-rated Deadpool movie that didn't open in 3D/IMAX screens was a bigger domestic hit than Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice.
The reason this is such a good April Fool's joke is that everything I read makes complete and perfect sense. Like, it is actually what a sensible, logical, rational person would do in this situation that would not only be a huge step in the right direction but also a very fan-pleasing decision to make.
So of COURSE I knew it wasn't true.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Another doubter cleansed in the light of moviegoers' judgment.
Again, no. Loved both. But there's some weird ass glee from certain people at this films box office. So despite me liking a fair few Marvel films, I'd be cool for one to slightly disappoint so MCU fanboys would stop blowing Feige 24/7.
xaosslug
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but in the wake of it all Batfleck (and WW) is a silver lining, somewhat... many seem to feel Supes & all his MoS baggage was the weakest link, and any issues w/ Batman will be resolved disassociated from Snyder.
Gordon Shumway
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You'd be tossed into the loony bin..
ViewtifulJC
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now imagine if Batman vs Superman kept that original date with Civil War
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Theater owners wouldn't have allowed it. It was never going to actually happen.
They'd have undercut each other.
E the Shaggy
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Thank God on that drop. This has to be worrying to WB, because while everyone was going to see a Batman/Superman movie, this bodes poorly for all the rest of the movies going forward.
BvS isn't a movie thats made for repeat viewings ESPECIALLY with kids. Barely meeting expectations has got to be causing some tension and I bet we'll start seeing some changes coming down the pike.
Shit, I bet theyre really freaking out about Suicide Squad right now.
BvS isn't a movie thats made for repeat viewings ESPECIALLY with kids. Barely meeting expectations has got to be causing some tension and I bet we'll start seeing some changes coming down the pike.
Shit, I bet theyre really freaking out about Suicide Squad right now.
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