The Particulator led to my best run yet. It destroys bosses without breaking a sweat.
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The Particulator led to my best run yet. It destroys bosses without breaking a sweat.
EndlessSky
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Does going through the grate created by
lead you to a whole different route, or does it just skip a couple of floors?
the fireplace
Like I said on the last page, the dungeon layouts don't throw up random middle fingers to you like Nuclear Throne's levels sometimes do.
But I feel like Gungeon has more "useless" weapons than Throne does, so it's kind of a weird tradeoff. Throne's level designed fucked me more, but finding a bunch of garbage weapons in a row has screwed me a lot in Gungeon, too.
So with NT, the difficulty came from the levels sometimes being randomly generated in a way that seems impossible, but with Gungeon it comes from not finding decent gear quickly enough. The good thing about Gungeon is that it will never just spawn you in an area where you're instantly totally fucked like Throne does.
Pestilence11
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I missed this, thanks.
Chronospherics
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Indeed, spawning into a map that's begins with a narrow corridor only to have Lil Hunter jump out of the side of the wall and fill your tiny space with bullets is a good example of how silly that game can be at times.
Not that I disliked it though.
Right on, thanks (hadn't kept up on the thread). Will be picking this up soon (didn't play NT as much as I expected partially due to the difficulty).
Yes, exactly. Lil Hunter's level is exactly the one I was thinking of when I was making that post.
Lil Hunter was harder than the Throne itself, mostly because the Throne is always in exactly the same room layout.
I think both this game and that are equally great and a lot of which people will like better is just going to come down to small differences and a preference on the arcade-linear vs dungeon-crawl structures.
So yeah, get Nuclear Throne when you have some money and some free time, it's amazing.
More_Badass
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In levels with fireplaces, are there always two on a level?
EndlessSky
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I'm not sure about always, but one time I only had 1, so I used the lockpick and failed, then fought the boss and it dropped 2 lol.
I probably shouldn't admit this but I still haven't managed to beat that bastard. It's gotten to the point that just getting to his level makes me nervous and I invariably fuck it up.
At first glance, I like Nuclear Throne's faster difficulty ramp than ETG's but I need to play more to be certain. I'm also not a big fan of reloading in ETG.
EndlessSky
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Got an item that makes bullets go back to the shooter when I roll through them. It's extremely good so far, and they always go back to the send, no matter which direction a roll. Hope I can make this run last a while.
After getting really experienced at the game the first point I consider okay to die is at Lil' Hunter's fight.
He can be SUCH a pain.
Hellshadow
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Just got four keys on the first level. Also got the nail gun
(don't have to reload).
TurboLibre
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I'm getting a red X on a chest even though I have a key. Does a failed lock pick attempt break the chest?
Yup it breaks the lock. You should just try lockpicking if you don't have keys and have explored all of the floor + killed the boss, that's what I do at least.
TurboLibre
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Nuts. The description made it sound like it you can only attempt the lock pick item once per chest.
Does it have a high success rate? Because I've been using it a lot up to this point and this is the first time this has happened, haha.
I mean technically it is one time use per chest... since either it opens the chest, or it breaks the lock permanently
I remember the devs saying in a stream that the lockpick is a 50/50 chance to open the chest.
Edit: Oh yeah small thing I also noticed, the lockpick actually has a cooldown, so you can't use it twice in a row without clearing another room in between.
More_Badass
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Electrified bullets + double output + a rapid-fire gun = very satisfying
EndlessSky
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I'm having the run of a lifetime right now. It's always fun in rougelikes when everything just goes your way and you're supper overpowered. I have a passive that sends bullets back to the shooter when I roll through bullets, and then another passive that is a turtle buddy that shoots enemies on his own and is actually pretty strong. And then I have 2 amazing guns. On either floor 5 or 6 right now; prob will get a lot further.
Godspeed!
All you need is the dodge roll, mate.
The item that gives you one bullet reload on a dodge roll is pretty dope BTW.
Are all laser/beam weapons terrible? They are taking forever even against the smallest foes.
I find the Jolter to be a good all around weapon. Some of the single shot weapons are nice against the stronger regular enemies because you can kill them with one or two hits out of hiding.
I find the Jolter to be a good all around weapon. Some of the single shot weapons are nice against the stronger regular enemies because you can kill them with one or two hits out of hiding.
I feel like the game needs some balancing patches. Apparently any gun can show up at anytime right?
Because sometimes I get to the third boss with nothing but trash, and sometimes I grab a weapon on the first floor that basically annihilates all of the bosses in 10 seconds. It's always either too OP or too UP, middle term is hard to get.
Anyone has a similar feeling?
Because sometimes I get to the third boss with nothing but trash, and sometimes I grab a weapon on the first floor that basically annihilates all of the bosses in 10 seconds. It's always either too OP or too UP, middle term is hard to get.
Anyone has a similar feeling?
Yeah I was getting super frustrated with the game early on because I kept getting garbage ass weapons or no weapons at all (like worse than the starter weapon garbage).
The proton backpack is good, especially when you get the triple shot.
Umm, that's par for the course for roguelikes.
Nuclear Throne has an amazing weapon balance. You might not get exactly the weapons you want, but you'll hardly ever be really underpowered. Usually by poorly made decisions only.
I think NT scaled the weapon pool based on the level you're on. This is more like BoI, where anything in the pool can show up at any time.
EndlessSky
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Welp lost the the boss
. Got it down to a sliver of life, then it changed its pattern and I wasn't ready for it. It was actually a pretty hard boss; dunno how someone would beat it without some kind of amazing gear. I thought the death screen says what floor you died on, but it didn't. What does the top left number stand for?
4 killer statues or something
Yeah, compared to bullethell shooters the patterns are a lot more doable, and you don't have an invincible roll in those.
Yeah, although in Gungeon you always have the basic gun with infinite ammo to fall back on as a bare minimum, where in BoI you can essentially dead-end with the wrong drops. (although usually you eventually just become crazy overpowered)
Overall I think it's definitely too soon to compare the games like this since there's probably also more secret stuff that hasn't been figured out yet, similar to how BoI is a lot harder at first if you don't know about the secret rooms yet.
It tells you what environment you died in, which is the same thing (e.g. "Mines")
Charge it for a powerful close range AOE attack.
I think all the chests on floor one should be unlocked. It would help a lot with progression and make the first level something you look forward to to see which stuff you get. It also lets you save key for more chests later. As it is right now I think it's hurting the "one more run" dynamic since there's a good chance you'll end up with nothing in the early game.
super-famicom
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I'd like to think so, but the official wiki doesn't mention anything about rarity. Going by MMO standards, I'd say Brown<Green<Blue.
Also, looks like there's a reference to a character from Nuclear Throne, as well. One of the Shrine/Statues you can find is
YV, and paying 10 coins can grant you a bonus to randomly fire extra shots for no ammo cost every time you fire your weapon
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
So does everyone have a favorite character so far?
I thought I liked the Pilot for lockpicking but I had a few runs back to back where he kept breaking the locks which was very frustrating. I just gave up and went back to Marine who has very good passive bonuses.
I thought I liked the Pilot for lockpicking but I had a few runs back to back where he kept breaking the locks which was very frustrating. I just gave up and went back to Marine who has very good passive bonuses.
Marine all the way.
World SkiFree
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Same. It is more of an issue in this game than NT or even BoI. I actually think NT's starting gun is satisfying to use.
Yeah, I hope it's added. For all of the attention to detail in other areas, it is an odd oversight. Including it later would help with replay-ability.
I'm loving Gungeon but I agree with the bullet sponge issues, particularly with boss battles. I love how many guns there are but some of the standard fire arms seem a little too similar.
Despite all of my niggling issues with Gungeon, it has been great fun thus far. In fact, I may have played more Gungeon in two days than my overall play time with NT.
I find the Marine to be the most reliable by far. He starts with armor, has a great starting weapon, and he shoots more accurately than the other characters.
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