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Everything Wrong With "Everything Wrong With.." (A critique of Cinema Sins)
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SchrodingerC
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Cinema Sins does criticize movies, but they often have nitpicks throughout their videos that are for comedic effect.
For example, in The Martin review Cinema Sins places nobody dying in the movie as a sin.
They could be legit criticizing each movie, but how Cinema Sins presents their videos and 'sins' it doesn't feel like CS is completely serious.
I could be wrong and that's totally fine, but the anger CS creates is still kinda silly.
Exactly. LOL. Super Ironic.
redmetal86
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Ruffling feathers while getting a ton of views. That's the American way.
Ruffling feathers? Rustling feathers? Ruffling jimmies?
Ruffling feathers? Rustling feathers? Ruffling jimmies?
So the guy is pissed that they make money, and it's pissed that some people apparently take their videos as serious criticism instead of just being extreme nitpicking for comedic effect. (that's not the video maker's fault. If anybody is stupid enough to think it's actual criticism, that's on them. It's the same kind of people that believe shit written in a satirical way while it's clear as satire to everyone else. Doesn't make the initial satire any less of a satire)
If it did not fail at that I'd agree with you. If you are going to criticize someone for being a asshole you are going convince people of that if you are a bigger asshole doing so. I've watched something like 50% of CS videos and at no point do I remember thinking "Man, what a jerk" because he was mean. The video in the OP could've been cut down 30-40% and made a good point. Instead we get a video thats mean, unfair and frankly desperate looking for flaws in "Sins" that have valid points.
flintstryker
Banned
Wait people actually take the Cinemasins videos seriously? Holyshit! People are stupider than I thought hell they even have a video called very thing wrong with Cinemasins where they pretty much said their videos aren't made to be taken seriously. An another note I really enjoy their videos and watch them whenever they are out
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You don't have to even take them seriously to notice how horseshit they are. Seriously doesn't have to enter into it.
You guys act like the mere intent to perform comedy absolves the comedians from the neeed to actually be funny.
You guys are a fucking boon to any community open mic nights in your area. If I'm a stand-up I'm aiming for that Cinema Sins demographic as hard as I can because there's no way I can lose. I'd just have to make it super clear I want to be funny and the audience will just do all the heavy lifting for me. It'd be great.
I mean, until I have to play for people with taste. Then I'm fucked.
I wouldn't call it "mean", the video is not mean spirited or anything. It comes of as exasperated and annoyed, not mean. Nothing in the video is unfair, either. They do the exact same type of observations that Cinema Sins does only Shesellsseashells actually backs up their complaints instead of just using them as jokes (except for the Hawkeye one). I also wouldn't call them desperate in looking for flaws, since most of the mistakes Shesellsseashells points out are the same type of mistakes that I'd noticed in the past (I'm an avid watcher of EWW), where the "Sins" could more easily be summed up as "We didn't pay attention to the movie".
-Plasma Reus-
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I'm tired of the youtube movie review thing all together.
Don't forget to talk in a calm matter then say *Ding* afterward. That'll get the laughs rolling.
I would agree with people that CinemSins is meant to just be funny and not to be taken seriously if people on the internet didn't constantly reference or link to them to back up their arguments on why they don't like something or regurgitate their bullshit like its gospel.
It's something I should like and find funny, but it's such a lazy series of videos used by morons who can't form a critique of their own that I end up disliking the videos as a result for not being strong in the writing of their own stuff (which this video points out).
It's something I should like and find funny, but it's such a lazy series of videos used by morons who can't form a critique of their own that I end up disliking the videos as a result for not being strong in the writing of their own stuff (which this video points out).
saltypickles
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CinemaSins not being funny is bad enough, but dinging things as sins because they knowingly take things out of context or complain about "Why does [Character] do [Thing], as an all-knowing arbiter of knowledge I would NEVER do [Thing]!" or "Why does [Character] do [Thing]? That doesn't seem believable to me so it sucks" brings it to another level of awfulness.
That's the problem with a lot of these comedy youtube channels.
Holy fuck. In a well-made movie you would not waste the audience's time with bullshit like this. The waiter stealing at the table is a good piece of shorthand completed in a quick cut that establishes the world the characters operate in without wasting people's time or leaving the current scene. Even the average fucking moviegoer can intrinsically process the meaning of scenes like this, despite not understanding filmmaking.
What CinemaSins does is selectively pull clips so they can take them out of context for no apparent purpose, seeing as a) these are rarely actual "sins" on the part of the filmmakers, b) they're completely unfunny, and c) they completely misrepresent the subject films.
This is only of value if you think a deadpan voice noticing mostly nonexistent issues from a position of deliberate ignorance is somehow entertaining (it's not).
Doctor Bat
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"It's just a joke, bro"
Always love a good Bobby rant, your usually pretty dam on point.
What were the "jokes" in the Sherlock Holmes video, that weren't already acknowledged as jokey-jokes (which weren't funny anyway)? Most of the observations certainly didn't sound like jokes. Is the joke that they completely fail to understand the scenes that they're watching half of the time?
EatinOlives
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With the way people "critique" movies on forums more and more often these days, yeah people do nitpick the shit out of a movie and think it's they're "critiquing" it.
paragonpro
Banned
Cinema sins is a product of the nerd enthusiast culture of complaining and nit picking about every fucking thing. Angry joe stems from this as well
Yeah, I find their humor hit or miss, but I do agree about it being a nice, short fun way of recapping movies.
Oddly, this thread is making me like them even more as people get so worked up over it...
DOWN
Banned
CinemaSins sucks because he comes up with a stupid nonsense speculation and says that his speculated idea wouldn't make sense. Yet these are ideas the movie never put forth so he's trying to place blame on the movie for stuff it didn't do. He also often says that if the movie never showed something on screen, and therefore causes him to ask "how did that happen?",even if there's a really reasonable way it could have happened, he counts it as a sin for them not spelling it out for him.
EdibleExplosives
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Going off of this video alone (at least I can't remember watching a CinemaSins vid before if I have done), CinemaSins seems terrible. None of this shit is funny or interesting.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Cinema Sins is like what happens when an amateur comedian listens to some Mitch Hedberg, watches some Honest Trailers, thinks "hey, I could do BOTH of those, at once!", gets hit in the head by a meat tenderizer repeatedly, and then vomits into a microphone for a few minutes.
Mr Touchdown
Member
They used to be fun, but the videos got way too long. Makes watching one a real chore.
I have never seen anyone do this. Were they being serious when they did so?
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
People linking them as a serious argument are how I found out about them.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
People do this fucking constantly
There are large groups of people who subscribe and enjoy their channel who see them as no different than either Red Letter Media. They do not discern the difference between them.
For these people, film criticism is literally the act of telling someone you noticed something, and then folding your arms and smirking.
I've only seen one or two of these, but yeah, I don't get it. It's just ding ding ding with no rhythm, emphasis, or even pauses to let observations land.
If you were somehow able to find someone who had never heard a joke in their life and didn't know what a punchline was and asked them to read a list of jokes aloud as quickly as possible, it would probably be quite a lot like a Cinema Sins video.
If you were somehow able to find someone who had never heard a joke in their life and didn't know what a punchline was and asked them to read a list of jokes aloud as quickly as possible, it would probably be quite a lot like a Cinema Sins video.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You hang out with the wrong crowd. Literally the first time I've seen EWW referenced on the internet other than on youtube and it doesn't even link to one of their vids.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, man. No I don't.
Nobody I hang out with actually watches that trash in the first place.
Unless by "the wrong crowd" you mean "the internet in general." In which case, okay. But that's kinda unfair so far as parameters go.
This is great.
Messofanego
Banned
This was funnier than every Cinema Sins video in existence.
Should I release the man eating lion, sir?
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
the only 'cinemasins' video I watched was Dragonball Evolution, because that one deserved it. Other than that I really don't care for it, as with most other mediocre critics. I mean, pointing out flaws isn't the same as criticism: good for jokes, but not much else.
that said, there is a time for that too.
that said, there is a time for that too.
This is pretty spot on. Even played as a joke, it's horribly lazy and unfunny.
CassidyIzABeast
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I'm not understanding all the "its just a joke don't take it seriously" posts when most of the stuff being pointed out in the video aren't even jokes. The CS video is pointing out inconsistencies and mistake that don't even exist.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Cinema Sins is clickbait garbage, always has been. They make The Nostalgia Critic look like George Carlin.
The Technomancer
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Basically.
Look, I'm as much of a hater of Cinemasins as the average person (and I don't mean I "hate hate" them, but rather hate in the "haters gonna hate" kinda way), but to criticize them for somehow their criticisms of movies somehow hurts the movies' popularity? Really? Has anyone on the planet ever changed their mind on a movie because of a Cinemasins video?
Nay, the real problem with Cinemasins is that they've become filthy rich and super popular using an incredibly simplistic gimmick that makes it easy for them to churn out tons of videos in a short amount of time, and not being particularly clever or funny, and make bank while doing so. THAT'S why one should hate Cinemasins.
Nay, the real problem with Cinemasins is that they've become filthy rich and super popular using an incredibly simplistic gimmick that makes it easy for them to churn out tons of videos in a short amount of time, and not being particularly clever or funny, and make bank while doing so. THAT'S why one should hate Cinemasins.
Yes, there are plenty of great-to-decent films a couple of my friends refuse to check out because the CinemaSins video told them it was shit. I wish I was joking, but people actually take these seriously, and when I point it's dumb, they say "it's funny AND true." It's really sad.
redmetal86
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Don't hate the player, hate the game. For every one person on GAF who doesn't find CInemaSins funny, there are another 10 that do, and they're putting in the views.
I pulled that number out of my ass, btw.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I hope they do more lol
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