It's over 200% of the raw power and nearly double the GPU bandwidth. Only the CPU is not seeing a major facelift.
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It's over 200% of the raw power and nearly double the GPU bandwidth. Only the CPU is not seeing a major facelift.
Look at performance in games today without PS4k's existence. Performance in games isn't always optimal that without even thinking about when compared to PC with similar hardware. It's already happening now without PS4k's existence.
Matt said there will be two profiles and you check a box, and that's all it will take--or at least that is the plan.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I'll repeat, that's not a console generational leap and that's why nobody but you is calling it that.
WordsintheWater
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That's the one game I hope supports this new model, I need steady FPS in that game.
At the very least, that COU means that some areas won't really see improvements.
I was wrong. It's around 20% slower than the 970 in reality. It's more like a 280X with a tiny overclock to 1025MHz. That's decent, but not enough for 1080p60 across the board. 1080p should be standard though... assuming that devs still make PS4 the primary target.
The subsidized phone model doesn't really exist in a lot of places and is going away in the US. Also most IPhone upgrades are full priced. Sony is testing a new model that might work or might flop big we will have to wait and see.
RecRoulette
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Outside of a couple of first party games and some remasters, there won't be that many PS4K only games. Devs are too scared of a split user base, look at how long we had PS3/PS4 crossgen games after the PS4s launch.
Lack of exclusive games->Less of a reason to upgrade->Smaller install base-> Less incentive to make PS4K exclusive games. Repeat cycle until PS5
Lack of exclusive games->Less of a reason to upgrade->Smaller install base-> Less incentive to make PS4K exclusive games. Repeat cycle until PS5
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Not even close to a generational leap.
Hexa
Member
I mean yeah, it depends on the game. But he said "This increase in numbers equates to a 1080p 30 fps game officially running at 1080p 60 fps on the Neo." Games that are 60fps but sub 1080p I'm guessing will definitely get a boost to 1080p. But 1080p 30fps games getting boosted to 60fps isn't so definite or obvious, and personally I doubt it'll happen much unless the game was already running at like 40-50 in which case it would be guaranteed, but I don't think most games fall into that.
Wishmaster92
Member
This Isn't even......bruh 36 cus fucking BEAST
Sooo... not a generational leap.
I don't know, this seems like a super lazy redesign. They are basically just using 14nm to cram some more CUs on the chip while simply OCing everything else. Those Jaguar cores are weak as hell, and a simple 500mhz OC isn't going to do a whole lot. NEO is going to be left in the dust if MS and Nintendo use a newer architecture. The GPU upgrade is decent, but the bandwidth bump doesn't really seem like enough.
recklesscognition
Member
Not sure I'd pay more than $100 for an upgrade like this and I'm not getting more than $150 for a PS4 after this is officially announced, so not happening for me. It's nice though that it's a decent enough upgrade that it will be worth it for quite a bit of folks and I think a lot of new buyers would get one rather than the old model, but it's not so big a leap that makes me pissed I have an original.
The idea behind restrictions and rules on future releases seems solid. If there's no exclusives and nothing goes missing from the old model games, I won't upgrade.
The idea behind restrictions and rules on future releases seems solid. If there's no exclusives and nothing goes missing from the old model games, I won't upgrade.
It's basically a DSi to help hardware sales since even at six years total, consoles refresh comically slow by modern technology standards.
That said the way they're approaching this makes it clear they intend to have a regular ass PS5 generational break.
Fess
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I've not claimed that it's rocket science, just said that most of us will have payed $798 to play the definitive edition of Uncharted 4. Can't count on everyone selling or needing the old console after upgrading, and if the price is cut on OG PS4 you might not get back even a third of the $399 payment so "PS4" will still end up being an expensive console if you went in day 1.
You have high expectations of a generational leap. You think the Fury is over 200% of the power of the 290x?
thelastword
Banned
I'm sure they know all these great answers you've mentioned. I'm also pretty sure those guys who mentioned they'll go PC are already gaming on PC......
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I hate this idea as much as I hate the percentage game.
You can spin it either way.
On the one hand it's not the general omg its 5 or 10 times as powerful. On the other hand the flop difference between the PS4 and PS4.5 is LARGER than the difference between the PS3 and PS4.
Call if what you will.
gundamkyoukai
Member
It's near 2 to 2.5 time the power of PS4 .
When has sony ever did such a small jump and called it a new gen .
A new gen is 8 plus time the power so this not a new gen jump.
DannyDanger
Member
Do ppl really not read OPs? There won't be any ps4k only games
This is still part of the PS4 "family" so to speak. PS4 has already won the gen and will continue to sell well. I really doesn't matter what the NX or the Xbox 1.5 do. Having said that we'll still be getting a PS5 sometime around 2018 and it'll be a full upgrade.
wapplew
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UHD Bluray drive alone is a steal at $400.
Console gens are closer to ~7x. This is similar to a PC GPU generation, though.
I'm baffled with all these people who says "it's just like PC, why are you upset?". Well beside the possibility that games will not be optimized on OG PS4, on PC we can tweak the settings until we have the framerate we want. Do you have that option on PS4? No.
If this is true, I'm done with console, I'll stick with PC.
If this is true, I'm done with console, I'll stick with PC.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Consoles =/= PCs
How'd you get to that conclusion?
Ricky Ricardo
Member
UUuuhhh, there's more to a GPU than CUs/ALU and TF though.
The 970 comparison is definitely not prudent till we get fillrate, TMUs, and other information.
opticalmace
Member
Sounds great. I hope they reveal it at E3.
I'm not sure yet if I'm going to get this, but seeing as how I'm putting the money into PSVR I think I'm leaning towards getting it if it makes that experience demonstrably better. That and the 4K media support if I finally go ahead and replace my Kuro with a 4K television.
You're not comparing the PS4 GPU to a 290X are you? Because it's not even close.
sixteen-bit
Member
ok? Again people will just find the new boogeyman because they don't like this concept. Why would Sony or devs alienate 60 million users?
FootballFan
Member
sounds interesting
as for the dragonball z analogy
this would be like vegeta vs majin vegeta
as for the dragonball z analogy
this would be like vegeta vs majin vegeta
No I'm not I'm comparing 2 top end gpus from their respective generations.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Again, you're not talking about console generations. Think 8 times or whatever the leap from the Saturn to Dreamcast or the Xbox to Xbox 360 in 4 years a piece at a minimum. Nobody is talking about GPU generations.
I know, but Moore's Law has been slowing. This move is going to be popular on enthusiast forums but 4-8 year gens for gaming consoles, (which are purely luxury items) seemed fine for a lot of us. Aside from it selling because it is a PlayStation 4, it could be interesting how the market responds to this, especially on a more expensive non-handheld.
vpance
Gold Member
Why would they need a massive CPU boost if most of the difference will be an increase in res?
Hexa
Member
Considering how hardware advances comparing in terms of actual flops isn't really fair at all. Every 2x jump is going to be a bigger jump than every jump before it combined. But the jump from PS4 to PS4k definitely isn't a bigger jump than PS1 to PS4. That's just rediculous.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah. I want an NX and a Pascal card. This doesn't seem like it would be worth putting down $400 to me.
endlessflood
Member
Imagine how many out-of-order frames From will be able to churn out! 
In all seriousness though, I wonder what effect this will have on PSVR. I have a PSVR pre-order, but I'm now tempted to cancel that and get a PS4K instead. They're both targeted at early adopters and it looks like they'll be competing with each other in the lead up to Christmas...
In all seriousness though, I wonder what effect this will have on PSVR. I have a PSVR pre-order, but I'm now tempted to cancel that and get a PS4K instead. They're both targeted at early adopters and it looks like they'll be competing with each other in the lead up to Christmas...
The PS4 already has 8GB of GDDR5, but that doesn't equal 8GB of VRAM. That has to be split into RAM and VRAM, and the OS has to take 2-3 GB's of it as well.
wapplew
Member
Can't see $250 PS4 this year, $299 at best, maybe a slim replacement too.
You're telling me what I'm talking about now?