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[random25]

Third parties doesnt matter. The userbase for most 3rd parties games are already established elsewhere. People wont quit their friend lists, live subscriptions, game library just to play 3rd parties on Nintendo's platform.

I agree to some extent that some of the major 3rd party franchises, especially the Western games, are already established elsewhere. But that does not make them not matter. Third party games offer variety and sustainability that current install base remain active in using the system. Nintendo-system versions of let's say FIFA may very well be the least selling among other ports, but it still offers options for players that own the system that want FIFA to still use the system and not go elsewhere. It keeps them occupied while the big hitters are still under development.

The effect of Western third parties on Nintendo platforms are sometimes overestimated, but still they play a major role in filling Nintendo's library and keeping the install base satisfied when they are still developing first party games.

I just know I want me some shoujo sparkle Waluigi, and face-rubbing on my GamePad

That would give me some warm and fuzzy feelings.

 

[Neoxon]

Ah ok. I just can't draw any attention with any video with his name in it lol. Sorry for other youtubers though!

It's mainly a GameXplain video, but I don't blame you for avoiding Josh like the plague.

 

[Ushojax]

If that means they'll focus 100% on a vast amount of first party software, I'm personally ok with it. I understand that this is not what some people want and it may end up being a bad strategy overall....but I'm speaking purely from a selfish point of view. I'm happy to get my third party fix on my PS4 and XB1.

That being said, Nintendo always claims "this time will be different, we promise!" when it comes to first party support during the early days of a new platform and they always let us down.

Nintendo have never taken such radical steps towards fixing the problem until now. Unifying their R&D divisions, essentially moving all in-house projects to NX 2 years ago (almost all their recent games have been heavily outsourced), creating the My Nintendo system etc.

They want NX to be able to sell consistently on the back of Nintendo's own software. Customers can't be waiting 6 months between AAA games. If third parties can find success too then great, but it's crucial for Nintendo's future that they make their own games the main driving force.

 

[Peterc]

You know I love Nintendo but we've heard this shit every gen. Oh oh we'll have more output. We'll have more games. If anything their output has gotten worse each gen. I really do think they just need to bite the bullet and go third party. Let others focus on the consoles, they make the games. It's a win win.

It's not pr talk. It's inside source

 

[Anth0ny]

Quite the contrary. Increased first party output will create a bigger install base and make the platform more attractive for third parties.

haha

they always say this and it NEVER works out that way

bottom line: they need to create hardware that the third parties want to put their games on. VR has fuck all install base and costs a kidney but everyone is JIZZING over it because it's cool, powerful tech with a lot of potential.

NX needs to be that, it needs to inspire excitement in the general public and third party devs.

 

[Malus]

Josh Thomas kinda implied that he was told about Splatoon getting a TV show/movie/anime/whatever adaptation, which would push back Splatoon 2 to around 2019 to coincide with the adaptation (thus justifying a port of the first game). Not sure if he's on the money, but it's something to note.

That's one heck of a rumor, to predict a game's release window 3 years into the future.

Well, it's not as if Nintendo does yearly sequels for most games, so a 2 to 3 year wait from Splatoon to Spla2n isn't crazy. 4 years is quite a while though, especially for a game that seems relatively "compact." Splatoon could be as big as Smash and Mario Kart for Nintendo, so you'd think they'd wanna capitalize on that as ASAP, but hell even those huge franchises only appear once per platform.

If they do choose to go down the port route, I hope it's supported with a variety of new content and graphical enhancement. At least hit it with some AA.

 

[takriel]

Don't believe this stuff, people. After the Wii U, everything is possible. Wait until E3 before hyping yourselves up for disappointment.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Nintendo have never taken such radical steps towards fixing the problem until now. Unifying their R&D divisions, essentially moving all in-house projects to NX 2 years ago (almost all their recent games have been heavily outsourced), creating the My Nintendo system etc.

They want NX to be able to sell consistently on the back of Nintendo's own software. Customers can't be waiting 6 months between AAA games.

Yeah, it's pretty exciting and I hope it all pans out.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

 

[leroidys]

So Pikmin 4 is an obvious one. What else would they have plausibly moved from Wii U? New Metroid? New 3D mario? DKCR3? FZero NX?

 

[Dark Cloud]

All Nintendo needs are the big casual third parties like FIFA, Madden, nba 2k and Call of Duty.

Then they need some of the big titles like GTA, Mass Effect, Bethesdas games.

 

[BarringGaffner]

This seems more like wishful thinking that Nintendo will suddenly release a ton of games. Just like how they will apparently have the most powerful console with NX.

I'm doubtful at this point. My Wii U is collecting dust and the game I bought the Wii U for is now getting released on the NX. Still if it is true I hope they release larger games and not the b-team games we got for Wii U the game (Sorry but games like 3d world, Mario Maker, or NSMB are good... but certainly not worth the $80cdn I had to pay for them.).

 

[Omnii-chan]

Nope. Going to wait and see. I need proof from Nintendo.
If a year in it does have this excellent output she is talking about, then I will buy.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

Those games alone definitely won't convince people to pick up the console. But if there are also some great NX-only titles that bring consumers on board, they'll likely take a look at these ports and consider purchasing them.

 

[aBarreras]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

so you would rather have them not porting their more succesful titles to the next console or what? they know maybe this wont be sufficent but they gotta try, it's the least they can do

 

[James Scott]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

It's not that those will convince people to buy a system, but it makes the hardware more attractive for potential customers.
People want these games, they're highly praised, it's just on a system that actively turns people away

 

[Dark Cloud]

So Pikmin 4 is an obvious one. What else would they have plausibly moved from Wii U? New Metroid? New 3D mario? DKCR3?

Luigis Mansion 3. Who know what else they've got cooking

 

[Joohanh]

I'm tired of people saying the Wii U doesn't have a good first-party output. It does. Moreover, the games on Wii U are actually very distinctive and interesting - which cannot be said of most games on Xbox or Playstation.

I'm in military service right now, and we bought a Wii U with all the essential games to our free-time building. It's so much more fun than the Xbone or PS4 that we already had - games like Smash or Mario Kart are a blast, and really the only thing that compares to them on other consoles are like sports games.

At least the Wii U games stand out. I'm not saying that stuff like Killzone, Halo, Driveclub, Forza etc. are bad games, I'm just saying that they're made from the same mold and it gets pretty fucking boring. It's a shame if Nintendo tries to compete directly with them to be honest.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Sounds like a shared library.

Please Nintendo just confirm that. Please let me never be forced to play a game on a tv ever again. (Except for the few PS4 games and BR/DVDs I still buy)

Let me tell you playing Splatoon for four hours straight infront of a tv that emits much heat and 85 degrees without an AC in addition to nothing behind me simce I sit on a bed and only have a pillow is not fun.

Also as someone who on average has $60 a month to spend on games RIP in piece on getting all these games.

I guess I got nothing else to add until a official reveal.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Increased first party output isn't something I'm concerned with. I want it to be easy for third parties to develop their games and for a Nintendo-specific hardware feature not to dissuade them from doing so.

Let it go. Nintendo and third parties stopped giving a fuck about eachother a long time ago.

 

[pooh]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

Anecdotally, I know at least a few PS4/Xbox One gamers who like Smash Bros in particular, but not enough to get a console that doesn't also have the latest Madden and Call of Duty on it. I think first party titles could definitely be a draw for a lot of people, provided they also have a powerful console that's appealing to third parties.

 

[Ansatz]

I love how all of the 'points below' are 1st party focused.

I believe this is the result of unifying their hardware teams. This is what I'm most interested in when it comes to NX.

Yep. And also moving away from the notion of 3 year dev cycles and and the fixation with $60 games. We will see more experimental business models and games based on existing engines, just creating new content with existing assets.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

Nintendo shouldn't have bothered putting Twilight Princess on Wii. If people wanted to play Twilight Princess so bad, they'd have just bought a Gamecube. Except... Twilight Princess did 4.5 as much on Wii as it did on GameCube.

People didn't solely not buy the Wii U because they didn't like its first-party games. They didn't like it because it was badly marketed, highly-priced, an uninteresting/unappealing concept in their opinion, lacked many of the major multiplat games present on PS4 and XB1, and a host of other things, and for many, individual games would not have solved that no matter how good they are.

The games didn't fail the Wii U. The Wii U failed its games.

 

[DownGrader]

So Pikmin 4 is an obvious one. What else would they have plausibly moved from Wii U? New Metroid? New 3D mario? DKCR3?

I think they have always hinted at new 3D Mario being on a new hardware only.

 

[shouamabane]

If this strategy involves playing portable games on my TV, I'm down. Wii U lineup plus 3DS lineup is plenty for me.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I can't take anymore NX speculation. Just say SOMETHING Nintendo, for the love of humanity

I'm with you. I'm tired of speculating over nothing but a vague acronym and endless unsubstantiated rumors.

Nintendo will get it all leaked if they keep waiting to reveal it more.

 

[Zalman]

I love the logic that Nintendo porting Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros. to the NX will someone convince people to pick one up.

If people wanted to play these games they would have bought a Wii U in the first place.

That's true, but on the other hand many people skipped the Wii U due to poor marketing and skepticism regarding its future. This is a chance to bring these games out to more people. There's nothing wrong with the games themselves.

If someone who doesn't own a Wii U sees these ports along with a new Zelda, Metroid and Luigi's Mansion, then they are more likely to jump in.

 

[ramparter]

If that means reviving old franchises like F-Zero / Wave Race I'm in.

If that means a ton of empty content games like Smash Tennis then hell no...

 

[Peterc]

You know I love Nintendo but we've heard this shit every gen. Oh oh we'll have more output. We'll have more games. If anything their output has gotten worse each gen. I really do think they just need to bite the bullet and go third party. Let others focus on the consoles, they make the games. It's a win win.

3rd party would be the worst idea ever. If one have to go, it should be xbox or psx. Because they do practicality the same

 

[Muzy72]

More impressive than the Wii U's lineup over 3-4 years means its entire lineup. So here's a complete list of games Nintendo published for Wii U worldwide at retail:

*list*

That's almost 40 games. Somehow I doubt NX's library can be more impressive than that in the span of a year.

EDIT: Added Metascores. Here's the breakdown:
MC 90-100: 4
MC 80-89: 11
MC 70-79: 9
MC 60-69: 5
MC 0-59: 4
Unreleased: 6

Added Metascores to my post. So that's still 15 great games and 9 pretty good games, for the people who were saying the list is mostly trash. And we'll probably be able to add Star Fox Zero and Tokyo Mirage Sessions to the 70+ crew too.

 

[Ansatz]

It's not that those will convince people to buy a system, but it makes the hardware more attractive for potential customers.
People want these games, they're highly praised, it's just on a system that actively turns people away

Absolutely, people want them. I would argue existing users would love the idea of continuing gameplay on the NX while waiting for the sequels, so they have to transfer save data too.

 

[kruis]

I still say that the shared library idea doesn't make any real sense or offer any benefit over just going with a hybrid or even handheld-only. They just end up with one piece of hardware being useless. The shared library kills any chance of third-party support and reduces the attach rate, so what's the point? I don't see it.

It's also gonna limit ambition, because the console version of the game has to run on the handheld too. And how powerful will that be? How much memory? Another thing is that with more powerful hardware come higher expectations and therefore the development time for their new games will go up.

 

[Neoxon]

That team (EAD 2) did NintendoLand, Wii Sports, Wii sports resort, etc. according to wikipedia.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing a new IP launch game again.

They also do Animal crossing it seems.

So working from Dec 15 uninterrrupted seems hard. Unless there's a seperate splatoon team.

If I recall, either the producer or the director of Splatoon was the main carry-over from Animal Crossing. He could juggle both Spla2n & Animal Crossing NX.

 

[AGoodODST]

We will just have to see how it pans out with all the changes Nintendo has made lately. Their software output is actually pretty impressive already, so hopefully quality isn't compromised to push out more games.

So what happened to that 10k dude? His rumours bullshit I take it?

 

[random25]

Added Metascores to my post. So that's still 15 great games and 9 pretty good games, for the people who were saying the list is mostly trash. And we'll probably be able to add Star Fox Zero and Tokyo Mirage Sessions to the 70+ crew too.

Add the new Zelda Wii U too to the 90+ tier, even though it's possibly a cross-platform game.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

I want to believe, but the blog post reads more like a fan convincing themselves of something when in reality so much is unknown. We've been here (or at least in a similar position) before. Nintendo's release schedule always starts to look good, before delays. The console is always always set to solve the issue of the previous generation, before it releases. The third party support is waiting just around the corner... it'll be here any minute. Was that a knock at the door? *silence* Maybe EA wrote the address down wrong.

I've come to terms with my Nintendo consoles being first party boxes. Even the short life of the Wii U has given me some of the best experiences I'll have this generation (more Captain Toad please). I'm willing to be surprised, and please forgive me if this comes across as pessimism, but I can't help feeling this masterplan sounds too good to be true, like the anticipation of a new Metroid game at E3.

A good box, reasonably specced at a reasonable price will suffice.

 

[Neoxon]

It's also gonna limit ambition, because the console version of the game has to run on the handheld too. And how powerful will that be? How much memory? Another thing is that with more powerful hardware come higher expectations and therefore the development time for their new games will go up.

It wouldn't limit ambition as much as you would think, especially with handheld games from Nintendo coming in line with their console games. And even then, Nintendo keeping the handheld in mind for console games is already happening with Smash 4, which sacrificed the Ice Climbers on the Wii U version (& possibly a number of other characters) for roster parity with the 3DS version.

Worst-case scenario, games that are too ambitious for the handheld can be console-exclusive (which wouldn't be very common for first party games).

 

[Malakai]

That's far from proven, but they at least have a better chance of pulling that off than of winning back the AAA third parties.

The Wii says hi to your argument. Furthermore, look at the history of Nintendo's portable. Third parties didn't sell Nintendo portable hardware--Nintendo games did.

 

[jdstorm]

Emily Rodgers statement makes complete sense based on what we know so far.

Nintendo across both Handheld and Homeconsole Publish around 20 games a year. In the past these teams have been split between 2 devices. Ie Mario Kart 7 (3DS) Mario Kart 8 (WIIU), Super Mario 3D Land/World (3DS/WiiU) and games like A Link Between Worlds Comming out solely for 3DS when the Wii U was in the middle of a large Software drought.

Putting Every Nintendo first party game on both a Portable and a Home Console would double their output almost immediately. It would also allow for the creation of new IPs with Nintendo only needing one Mario team across both consoles.

 

[Vampirolol]

It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.

I think that was a given since the beginning. NX looks like a first party console with a fast output of releases.

 

[Steroyd]

Hmmm that's all well and good but Nintendo needs, the GTA's, your Final Fantasy's and your Dark Souls to get above selling the 20-30 million threshold, things like FFVIIR and DQXI being rumoured is a much more positive prospect than churning out a game once a month, Nintendo's own output has never been the problem.

 

[alpha69]

This does not make me excited. I have no interest in 90% of Ninty's IP. I want 3rd party games. Tell me about that and maybe I'll get interested.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Hmmm that's all well and good but Nintendo needs, the GTA's, your Final Fantasy's and your Dark Souls to get above selling thr 20-30 million threshold,vthings like FFVIIR and DQXI being rumoured is a much more positive prospect than churning out a game once a month, Nintendo's own output has never been the problem.

It absolutely has been a problem on the console side for a number of cycles now.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

So Pikmin 4 is an obvious one. What else would they have plausibly moved from Wii U? New Metroid? New 3D mario? DKCR3? FZero NX?

It seems likely that you can count on Pikmin 4 and Retro's game being on that list, as well as possibly the rumored NLG Wii U game and maybe Animal Crossing Wii U (since I really doubt that plaza app they made was building towards amiibo Festival...). A lot of Nintendo's teams have been quiet for a least a year now, if not two, but whether those projects were always NX or started as Wii U games depends on when Nintendo finalized their plans for its successor.

Because of Splatoon, I think we can bet on at least one new IP go be revealed in the first year, and it's possible that game would have started on Wii U as part of the Garage program.

I believe a new Mario was probably always planned for the new hardware, but maybe the early prototypes assumed Wii U since early 2014 might be a little too early for an NX-focused project.

 

[AntiFacebook]

Baten kaitos 3 is happening, friends!

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Hmmm that's all well and good but Nintendo needs, the GTA's, your Final Fantasy's and your Dark Souls to get above selling thr 20-30 million threshold,vthings like FFVIIR and DQXI being rumoured is a much more positive prospect than churning out a game once a month, Nintendo's own output has never been the problem.

My Wii U says it's a problem in this age.

 

[Neoxon]

It absolutely has been a problem on the console side for a number of cycles now.

My Wii U says it's a problem in this age.

It's more of an issue of Nintendo's focus being split than anything else. Combine the Wii U & 3DS's software output and you have quite an impressive release schedule from Nintendo alone.

 

[DownGrader]

This does not make me excited. I have no interest in 90% of Ninty's IP. I want 3rd party games. Tell me about that and maybe I'll get interested.

There are already two platforms for you then.

 

[Schryver]

Just give me Metroid and I'm in

 

[OrbitalBeard]

It's more of an issue of Nintendo's focus being split than anything else.

Well yes, and a shared ecosystem should remedy this, but that doesn't change the fact that it has been a major issue for Nintendo in the past.