John Kowalski
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None of which had any substantial narrative significance at the time, and more poignantly show no real improvement to a pair of movies that had already failed to do justice to the show in the first place.
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Evangelion 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo |OT| :Q
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None of which had any substantial narrative significance at the time, and more poignantly show no real improvement to a pair of movies that had already failed to do justice to the show in the first place.
Chuckie
Member
True. However it showed those things. And usually if things are shown in a preview, they are actually also shown in the film that is being previewed. I am not saying it would have been better, but I doubt it could have been a lot worse.
meltingparappa
Member
That preview felt like it would have been ticking off boxes and giving action scenes you can already basically choreograph in your head.
I feel like it would have been pretty neat for sure, but not offer much outside of the novelty of further turning Rebuild into the type of streamlined action series Eva was always a subversion of.
I'm glad Anno had the chutzpah to double down on the tone from the latter half of the show for 3.33. The bait and switch just furthered my immersion of matching Shinji's shock as to had been going on in the world after all this time.
I feel like it would have been pretty neat for sure, but not offer much outside of the novelty of further turning Rebuild into the type of streamlined action series Eva was always a subversion of.
I'm glad Anno had the chutzpah to double down on the tone from the latter half of the show for 3.33. The bait and switch just furthered my immersion of matching Shinji's shock as to had been going on in the world after all this time.
That would've been far better than what we actually got, though. Eva Rebuild is at its best when it's a slightly-remixed version of the TV show with all the shit bits removed. That's what the 3.0 preview at the end of 2.22 seemed to indicate we were getting before they purged it all.
While that worked - they sacrificed everything else for it.meltingparappa said:
In the show there was still some reasoning why people (including Shinji) were fighting to save the world up to the end, messed up as it were - in 3.33 what we're shown is that there's nothing left to save.
Which among other things made the sequence with Shinji trying to "do right" having no stakes/weight at all - and frankly, 14 years in - everyone elses motivations being portrayed exactly as if no time has passed at all - looked incredibly thin as well (I mean the only one that has an excuse for that would be Rei).
Which among other things made the sequence with Shinji trying to "do right" having no stakes/weight at all - and frankly, 14 years in - everyone elses motivations being portrayed exactly as if no time has passed at all - looked incredibly thin as well (I mean the only one that has an excuse for that would be Rei).
NeOak
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Seriously how is there not an actual Evangelion OT yet :V I need a plce to post these random images I find online
^where can I find more like this?
Half of the thread would be "Fuck 3.0"
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Fuck 3.0!!!!
The first thing I thought when the capital ship scenes began is that it looked like a Netflix original anime.
Everything - the direction and pacing, the character and mechanical designs, the poor blending of CG and 2D - is not only a step down for the series, but for the Rebuild itself.
EVA is supposed to be cynical towards anime tropes, but what we saw in 3.0 seemed like an embrace, as though they were just out of ideas.
I was worried when the end of 2.0 gave me serious RahXephon flashbacks, and those worries now appear to have been founded.
Everything - the direction and pacing, the character and mechanical designs, the poor blending of CG and 2D - is not only a step down for the series, but for the Rebuild itself.
EVA is supposed to be cynical towards anime tropes, but what we saw in 3.0 seemed like an embrace, as though they were just out of ideas.
I was worried when the end of 2.0 gave me serious RahXephon flashbacks, and those worries now appear to have been founded.
2.0 was probably a bigger pivot toward anime tropes than 3.0, which was basically overflowing with cynicism and antipathy.
My impression is that 2.0 was deliberately employing said tropes to later tear them apart in 3.0. 3.0 as released feels like a clear attempt to follow through on that, it just, you know. Sucks.
This was my impression as well. At some point during 2.0, everything started going wrong, and while it could have been salvaged (I can live with Rei and Shinji being conventionally in love), 3.0 goes completely derp.
Sorry to double post, but in a bit of my free time (not that I have much right now) I actually did start working on an OT for the community side (would I just post it there?) I think Eva's big enough to deserve one. As long as no one objects, I should have it done by the weekend.
Still trying to think of a title though.
Still trying to think of a title though.
J-Roderton
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Good idea. I'm watching through NGE this weekend for the first time. Up to ep 8 now. Just watched the rebuilds first. (I know).
Haloid1177
Banned
I did the same thing, made me appreciate the series more, except for whatever the fuck EoE is.
AHA-Lambda
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I watched this recently and din't see where all the negativity was coming from =/
Yeah, my evangelion knowledge is rusty as anything right now (haven't watched eva 2.0 since cinematic release and nothing else eva related since then) couple that with new wrenches thrown in I was a bit lost for what was going on in places.
But the movie was hardly bad at all
Yeah, my evangelion knowledge is rusty as anything right now (haven't watched eva 2.0 since cinematic release and nothing else eva related since then) couple that with new wrenches thrown in I was a bit lost for what was going on in places.
But the movie was hardly bad at all
The rebuilds are different enough now that's it's totally fine. If nothing else, I appreciate that aspect.
An ambitious masterpiece that elevated Eva from being a pretty solid mech show with good characters that went all dark and philosophical at the end to being one of the most respected and influential anime of all time, and the number one reason Eva's legacy is so enduring that we're still talking about the series twenty years later?
Haloid1177
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Or an absolute clusterfuck that's amazing to watch because of how strange it is and how it resolves barely anything, leaving the audience with many more questions than answers, which I guess perfectly sums up Eva.
EoE was fascinating to watch but I can't honestly say 3.33 is significantly worse.
Sneaky Gato
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No, post it here first so as to give people a chance to notice it. It feels like once a thread gets put in community it becomes harder for new people to notice it.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
comparing 3.33 to eoe makes me want to vomit. EoE is the best.
Vincent Grayson
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Yup. EoE is the fucking best. There may or may not have been a period in my late teen depression where I watched it once a day.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Thumbs up.
Just making sure. You weren't depressed because you were watching EVA on repeat, right?
Do I need to watch this again? I don't remember it being a masterpiece. I remember it being a pretty good movie. Good action, good storytelling, weird but good ending.
I'm on #Team3.33Preview. Yes, if the plots where switched around with the same movie structure and quality, it would still be shit. But the movie they were making before hey scrapped it and started over was obviously better than the one we got.
The reason I love EoE so much is because it handles both it's relatively grounded 1st half and bat-shit introspective 2nd half near perfectly for completely different reasons. It's like two great films handled by completely different teams in one.
Will do.
J-Roderton
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I dunno 3.33 might be my favorite of the rebuilds.
Off work and time to knock out NGE. Wish me luck. Gonna be a long night.
Off work and time to knock out NGE. Wish me luck. Gonna be a long night.
Hello, Vita-GAF! Though at this point I think it rotates 15 people on a yearly basis.
You're gonna love the show.
Vincent Grayson
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lol, no. I suffered from depression from about age 7 to 18 or so. NGE and a lot of other things I got really into back then were just my solace from the neverending misery.
EoE wrapped up and resolved basically every major plot thread and theme... ?
Liquidsnake
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MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
EoE is the fucking best. It has the best mech fight scene of all time (OF ALL TIME) so many great scenes and manages to combine what should be two different movies into one perfect thing.
And the ending GOD the ending is the best
And the ending GOD the ending is the best
Liquidsnake
Banned
Can't argue that.
How about just 'You mustn't run away'
Probably better to go simple, true. Maybe "You must (not) run away" cause the Rebuild naming style always makes me chuckle.
exmachina64
Banned
It will (never) end
I like that one. Relatively deep cut.
J-Roderton
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We have an OT yet?
Made it up to episode 21 last night so I should be finished with the series today. Really good so far. Is Mari not in the series? And that fight with the unit from America was amazing.
Made it up to episode 21 last night so I should be finished with the series today. Really good so far. Is Mari not in the series? And that fight with the unit from America was amazing.
Also Asuka sucks
Mari was invented for Rebuild, she's not in the series.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
1.1 is a faithful retelling with minor changes. 2.2 is a drastic, but hopeful change. Shinji's more aggressive attitude is definitely a plus. All the changes were for the better in my opinion.
I was avoiding 3.3 because I wanted to watch it alongside 4.4. My logic behind this was that 3.3 would end in such a manner that 4.4 (or 3.0 + 1.0 the new title?) would have to explain it. Well... I would have to keep waiting since the last movie is nowhere to be seen. Anno is busy making Shin Godzilla.
While 3.3 is a major departure, I find it fitting for the series. Instead of Shinji
and things have gone south. There is a sense of hopelessness and desperation that was missing till the end of 2.2. The end of 2.2 was so pretty awesome though.
While I enjoyed the animation, visuals, and art, the whole movie felt like the longest episode 24. An incredibly long episode that explores relationship between Shinji and Kaworu. Also, Shinji's eventual dive into a depressed-catatonic state. This would mean the last movie should, in some way, be like End of Evangelion. Or the budget has been cut so badly it will be like the anime's episodes 25 and 26. Maybe Studio Khara will just be like, F it, and the last movie is just a harem anime where Shinji finds himself accidentally groping the rest of the female cast, while tsundre Asuka must pretend to be his girlfriend.
TL;DR 1.1, 2.2 are awesome. I hypothesized 3.3 ends in a way that the next movie has tons of questions that need to be answered. Also, 3.3 changes the story way more than the first two movies. 4.4 can be anything at this point and I wouldn't be surprised.
I was avoiding 3.3 because I wanted to watch it alongside 4.4. My logic behind this was that 3.3 would end in such a manner that 4.4 (or 3.0 + 1.0 the new title?) would have to explain it. Well... I would have to keep waiting since the last movie is nowhere to be seen. Anno is busy making Shin Godzilla.
While 3.3 is a major departure, I find it fitting for the series. Instead of Shinji
being reconstituted from the LCL a month later in the anime, he is reformed 14 years later
While I enjoyed the animation, visuals, and art, the whole movie felt like the longest episode 24. An incredibly long episode that explores relationship between Shinji and Kaworu. Also, Shinji's eventual dive into a depressed-catatonic state. This would mean the last movie should, in some way, be like End of Evangelion. Or the budget has been cut so badly it will be like the anime's episodes 25 and 26. Maybe Studio Khara will just be like, F it, and the last movie is just a harem anime where Shinji finds himself accidentally groping the rest of the female cast, while tsundre Asuka must pretend to be his girlfriend.
TL;DR 1.1, 2.2 are awesome. I hypothesized 3.3 ends in a way that the next movie has tons of questions that need to be answered. Also, 3.3 changes the story way more than the first two movies. 4.4 can be anything at this point and I wouldn't be surprised.
GentlemanCrow
Member
Just watched it.
people weren't kidding about Shinji not being told shit by Wünder.
Character motivations were very muggy in this one. A little more clarity would have been swell. Why the fuck was everythIng happening, guys?
Why does Anno feel the need to compound the issues of the show? This series was suppose to be a slightly lay version of the show with an alternative ending. I mean I know evangelion is famed for its technobabble but they are dropping new terms like I've done all the required reading. I shouldn't need to check Wikipedia to make sure I got the plot.
Is it too much to hope that the final one will come out this decade and actually explain some shit?
Maybe it's just been too long since I last delved in evangelion but I was legitimately WTFing throughout.
I mean it isn't like I don't get it it's just the story never needed to be so confusingly written. It's a painfully simple story written in an overly esoteric way. Anno gonna Anno I guess...
Edit: Also Unit 2 can suddenly turn into a cat?
people weren't kidding about Shinji not being told shit by Wünder.
Character motivations were very muggy in this one. A little more clarity would have been swell. Why the fuck was everythIng happening, guys?
Why does Anno feel the need to compound the issues of the show? This series was suppose to be a slightly lay version of the show with an alternative ending. I mean I know evangelion is famed for its technobabble but they are dropping new terms like I've done all the required reading. I shouldn't need to check Wikipedia to make sure I got the plot.
Is it too much to hope that the final one will come out this decade and actually explain some shit?
Maybe it's just been too long since I last delved in evangelion but I was legitimately WTFing throughout.
I mean it isn't like I don't get it it's just the story never needed to be so confusingly written. It's a painfully simple story written in an overly esoteric way. Anno gonna Anno I guess...
Edit: Also Unit 2 can suddenly turn into a cat?
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