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Evangelion 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo |OT| :Q

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It showed EVA-06 in Central Dogma, EVA-08 'quickening', all the Children coming together, Rei triplets, none of that was in EVA 3.33 somehow.

None of which had any substantial narrative significance at the time, and more poignantly show no real improvement to a pair of movies that had already failed to do justice to the show in the first place.
 

Chuckie

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None of which had any substantial narrative significant at the time, and more poignantly show no real improvement to a pair of movies that had already failed to do justice to the show in the first place.

True. However it showed those things. And usually if things are shown in a preview, they are actually also shown in the film that is being previewed. I am not saying it would have been better, but I doubt it could have been a lot worse.
 
That preview felt like it would have been ticking off boxes and giving action scenes you can already basically choreograph in your head.

I feel like it would have been pretty neat for sure, but not offer much outside of the novelty of further turning Rebuild into the type of streamlined action series Eva was always a subversion of.

I'm glad Anno had the chutzpah to double down on the tone from the latter half of the show for 3.33. The bait and switch just furthered my immersion of matching Shinji's shock as to had been going on in the world after all this time.
 

Dachande

Member
I feel like it would have been pretty neat for sure, but not offer much outside of the novelty of further turning Rebuild into the type of streamlined action series Eva was always a subversion of.

That would've been far better than what we actually got, though. Eva Rebuild is at its best when it's a slightly-remixed version of the TV show with all the shit bits removed. That's what the 3.0 preview at the end of 2.22 seemed to indicate we were getting before they purged it all.
 

Tizoc

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Seriously how is there not an actual Evangelion OT yet :V I need a plce to post these random images I find online
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^where can I find more like this?
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
meltingparappa said:
I deeply appreciated the decision in these rebuild movies where you thought you had a fairly omniscient point of view of events, to strip that from you for the sake of immersion in the viewpoint of the main character.
While that worked - they sacrificed everything else for it.
In the show there was still some reasoning why people (including Shinji) were fighting to save the world up to the end, messed up as it were - in 3.33 what we're shown is that there's nothing left to save.
Which among other things made the sequence with Shinji trying to "do right" having no stakes/weight at all - and frankly, 14 years in - everyone elses motivations being portrayed exactly as if no time has passed at all - looked incredibly thin as well (I mean the only one that has an excuse for that would be Rei).
 

Jinkies

Member
The first thing I thought when the capital ship scenes began is that it looked like a Netflix original anime.

Everything - the direction and pacing, the character and mechanical designs, the poor blending of CG and 2D - is not only a step down for the series, but for the Rebuild itself.

EVA is supposed to be cynical towards anime tropes, but what we saw in 3.0 seemed like an embrace, as though they were just out of ideas.

I was worried when the end of 2.0 gave me serious RahXephon flashbacks, and those worries now appear to have been founded.
 

Blader

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The first thing I thought when the capital ship scenes began is that it looked like a Netflix original anime.

Everything - the direction and pacing, the character and mechanical designs, the poor blending of CG and 2D - is not only a step down for the series, but for the Rebuild itself.

EVA is supposed to be cynical towards anime tropes, but what we saw in 3.0 seemed like an embrace, as though they were just out of ideas.

2.0 was probably a bigger pivot toward anime tropes than 3.0, which was basically overflowing with cynicism and antipathy.
 

Guess Who

Banned
2.0 was probably a bigger pivot toward anime tropes than 3.0, which was basically overflowing with cynicism and antipathy.

My impression is that 2.0 was deliberately employing said tropes to later tear them apart in 3.0. 3.0 as released feels like a clear attempt to follow through on that, it just, you know. Sucks.
 

Jinkies

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My impression is that 2.0 was deliberately employing said tropes to later tear them apart in 3.0. 3.0 as released feels like a clear attempt to follow through on that, it just, you know. Sucks.
This was my impression as well. At some point during 2.0, everything started going wrong, and while it could have been salvaged (I can live with Rei and Shinji being conventionally in love), 3.0 goes completely derp.
 

munchie64

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Sorry to double post, but in a bit of my free time (not that I have much right now) I actually did start working on an OT for the community side (would I just post it there?) I think Eva's big enough to deserve one. As long as no one objects, I should have it done by the weekend.

Still trying to think of a title though.
 

J-Roderton

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Sorry to double post, but in a bit of my free time (not that I have much right now) I actually did start working on an OT for the community side (would I just post it there?) I think Eva's big enough to deserve one. As long as no one objects, I should have it done by the weekend.

Still trying to think of a title though.

Good idea. I'm watching through NGE this weekend for the first time. Up to ep 8 now. Just watched the rebuilds first. (I know).
 

AHA-Lambda

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I watched this recently and din't see where all the negativity was coming from =/

Yeah, my evangelion knowledge is rusty as anything right now (haven't watched eva 2.0 since cinematic release and nothing else eva related since then) couple that with new wrenches thrown in I was a bit lost for what was going on in places.

But the movie was hardly bad at all o_O
 

Guess Who

Banned
I did the same thing, made me appreciate the series more, except for whatever the fuck EoE is.

An ambitious masterpiece that elevated Eva from being a pretty solid mech show with good characters that went all dark and philosophical at the end to being one of the most respected and influential anime of all time, and the number one reason Eva's legacy is so enduring that we're still talking about the series twenty years later?
 
An ambitious masterpiece that elevated Eva from being a pretty solid mech show with good characters that went all dark and philosophical at the end to being one of the most respected and influential anime of all time, and the number one reason Eva's legacy is so enduring that we're still talking about the series twenty years later?

Or an absolute clusterfuck that's amazing to watch because of how strange it is and how it resolves barely anything, leaving the audience with many more questions than answers, which I guess perfectly sums up Eva.

EoE was fascinating to watch but I can't honestly say 3.33 is significantly worse.
 
Sorry to double post, but in a bit of my free time (not that I have much right now) I actually did start working on an OT for the community side (would I just post it there?) I think Eva's big enough to deserve one. As long as no one objects, I should have it done by the weekend.

Still trying to think of a title though.

No, post it here first so as to give people a chance to notice it. It feels like once a thread gets put in community it becomes harder for new people to notice it.
 
An ambitious masterpiece that elevated Eva from being a pretty solid mech show with good characters that went all dark and philosophical at the end to being one of the most respected and influential anime of all time, and the number one reason Eva's legacy is so enduring that we're still talking about the series twenty years later?

Yup. EoE is the fucking best. There may or may not have been a period in my late teen depression where I watched it once a day.
 

coolasj19

Why are you reading my tag instead of the title of my post?
Yup. EoE is the fucking best. There may or may not have been a period in my late teen depression where I watched it once a day.
Just making sure. You weren't depressed because you were watching EVA on repeat, right?
An ambitious masterpiece that elevated Eva from being a pretty solid mech show with good characters that went all dark and philosophical at the end to being one of the most respected and influential anime of all time, and the number one reason Eva's legacy is so enduring that we're still talking about the series twenty years later?
Do I need to watch this again? I don't remember it being a masterpiece. I remember it being a pretty good movie. Good action, good storytelling, weird but good ending.

I'm on #Team3.33Preview. Yes, if the plots where switched around with the same movie structure and quality, it would still be shit. But the movie they were making before hey scrapped it and started over was obviously better than the one we got.
 

munchie64

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The reason I love EoE so much is because it handles both it's relatively grounded 1st half and bat-shit introspective 2nd half near perfectly for completely different reasons. It's like two great films handled by completely different teams in one.
No, post it here first so as to give people a chance to notice it. It feels like once a thread gets put in community it becomes harder for new people to notice it.
Will do.
 

Jackpot

Banned
mmm, Community is where threads go to die or to become insular back and forth discussions over nothing between the same 6 people.
 

coolasj19

Why are you reading my tag instead of the title of my post?
mmm, Community is where threads go to die or to become insular back and forth discussions over nothing between the same 6 people.
Hello, Vita-GAF! Though at this point I think it rotates 15 people on a yearly basis.
 
Just making sure. You weren't depressed because you were watching EVA on repeat, right?

Do I need to watch this again? I don't remember it being a masterpiece. I remember it being a pretty good movie. Good action, good storytelling, weird but good ending.

I'm on #Team3.33Preview. Yes, if the plots where switched around with the same movie structure and quality, it would still be shit. But the movie they were making before hey scrapped it and started over was obviously better than the one we got.

lol, no. I suffered from depression from about age 7 to 18 or so. NGE and a lot of other things I got really into back then were just my solace from the neverending misery.
 

Guess Who

Banned
Or an absolute clusterfuck that's amazing to watch because of how strange it is and how it resolves barely anything, leaving the audience with many more questions than answers, which I guess perfectly sums up Eva.

EoE was fascinating to watch but I can't honestly say 3.33 is significantly worse.

EoE wrapped up and resolved basically every major plot thread and theme... ?
 
EoE is the fucking best. It has the best mech fight scene of all time (OF ALL TIME) so many great scenes and manages to combine what should be two different movies into one perfect thing.

And the ending GOD the ending is the best
 

munchie64

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So what I could think of:
|OT| It's so fucked up
|OT| It will (not) end or It will (never) end
|OT| Get in the GODDAMN studio Anno
|OT| This wasn't part of the script
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
[OT] DAT playlist, tho
[OT] Anno Domini
[OT] Cruel Angel's Thesis, not Cruel Angel's Fact
[OT] GAF is the forum, all's right with the thread
 

J-Roderton

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We have an OT yet?

Made it up to episode 21 last night so I should be finished with the series today. Really good so far. Is Mari not in the series? And that fight with the unit from America was amazing.

Also Asuka sucks
 

Blader

Member
We have an OT yet?

Made it up to episode 21 last night so I should be finished with the series today. Really good so far. Is Mari not in the series? And that fight with the unit from America was amazing.

Also Asuka sucks

Mari was invented for Rebuild, she's not in the series.
 
1.1 is a faithful retelling with minor changes. 2.2 is a drastic, but hopeful change. Shinji's more aggressive attitude is definitely a plus. All the changes were for the better in my opinion.

I was avoiding 3.3 because I wanted to watch it alongside 4.4. My logic behind this was that 3.3 would end in such a manner that 4.4 (or 3.0 + 1.0 the new title?) would have to explain it. Well... I would have to keep waiting since the last movie is nowhere to be seen. Anno is busy making Shin Godzilla.

While 3.3 is a major departure, I find it fitting for the series. Instead of Shinji
being reconstituted from the LCL a month later in the anime, he is reformed 14 years later
and things have gone south. There is a sense of hopelessness and desperation that was missing till the end of 2.2. The end of 2.2 was so pretty awesome though.

While I enjoyed the animation, visuals, and art, the whole movie felt like the longest episode 24. An incredibly long episode that explores relationship between Shinji and Kaworu. Also, Shinji's eventual dive into a depressed-catatonic state. This would mean the last movie should, in some way, be like End of Evangelion. Or the budget has been cut so badly it will be like the anime's episodes 25 and 26. Maybe Studio Khara will just be like, F it, and the last movie is just a harem anime where Shinji finds himself accidentally groping the rest of the female cast, while tsundre Asuka must pretend to be his girlfriend.

TL;DR 1.1, 2.2 are awesome. I hypothesized 3.3 ends in a way that the next movie has tons of questions that need to be answered. Also, 3.3 changes the story way more than the first two movies. 4.4 can be anything at this point and I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Just watched it.

people weren't kidding about Shinji not being told shit by Wünder.

Character motivations were very muggy in this one. A little more clarity would have been swell. Why the fuck was everythIng happening, guys?

Why does Anno feel the need to compound the issues of the show? This series was suppose to be a slightly lay version of the show with an alternative ending. I mean I know evangelion is famed for its technobabble but they are dropping new terms like I've done all the required reading. I shouldn't need to check Wikipedia to make sure I got the plot.

Is it too much to hope that the final one will come out this decade and actually explain some shit?

Maybe it's just been too long since I last delved in evangelion but I was legitimately WTFing throughout.

I mean it isn't like I don't get it it's just the story never needed to be so confusingly written. It's a painfully simple story written in an overly esoteric way. Anno gonna Anno I guess...

Edit: Also Unit 2 can suddenly turn into a cat?
 
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