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Anno sorry for making you wait for Evangelion 3.0+1.0
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Maybe some death threats thrown in as well?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Honestly if it's not a live action jdrama featuring the voice actors in high school, then he shouldn't even bother.
Zoe
Member
It's part of his life. His role in Kaze Tachinu was Miyazaki's way of reaching out to him.
Killer Queen
Banned
I wouldn't even be mad.
To be fair the joke pretty much wrote itself.
Killer Queen
Banned
Yes
It's probably the most visually striking Eva (barring the shitty character animation quality) since End of Evangelion but if you're looking for a coherent transition from 2.0, it is abso-fucking-lutely not it.
yep. 2 was a great rift on eva, especially playing with viewers expectations who had seen the series ("looks like i didn't win this time"). 3 was garbage.
Tudor
Member
Having thoroughly enjoyed all of Eva to date, 3.0 was rather jarring however I accept it as a rather OTT attempt to convey just how screwed up the world is through Shinji's eyes. (Just looking at the reactions to the film I think Anno did rather well on this front)
Having said that I do hope 3.0+1.0 returns to some semblance of cohesion plot wise, even though that may not adequately represent the world of Evangelion.
Oh well, wait (and wait, and wait) and see I guess.
Having said that I do hope 3.0+1.0 returns to some semblance of cohesion plot wise, even though that may not adequately represent the world of Evangelion.
Oh well, wait (and wait, and wait) and see I guess.
Do you want to remain happy in life? If yes, then don't watch it.
Zelenogorsk
Banned
3.0 was awesome.
That is all.
That is all.
People are extremely critical of shit(3.0 and the rebuild movies in general) because this is the internet and your opinion is not valid unless it's extreeemee
but seriously, I don't remember 3.0 being that bad. It's a bit out there, meandering, extremely vague in meaning and context, hard to piece together plot-wise, and clearly the most un-Eva part of the whole canon, but it's still pretty neat for what it is. It's also kind of a movie all about exploring the Shinji/Kaworu dynamic so it's kind of satisfying in that way too -- seeing Shinji oddly empowered for once in his miserable life. I remember the opening sequence being really cool, too. I actually just got it on blu-ray last week because I've been watching the Rebuild series again so I'll have to see if it matches up to how I remember it.
I'm so happy to hear some news about the 4th movie, though. So, so happy. All I have to do now is not perish sometime before its release.
but seriously, I don't remember 3.0 being that bad. It's a bit out there, meandering, extremely vague in meaning and context, hard to piece together plot-wise, and clearly the most un-Eva part of the whole canon, but it's still pretty neat for what it is. It's also kind of a movie all about exploring the Shinji/Kaworu dynamic so it's kind of satisfying in that way too -- seeing Shinji oddly empowered for once in his miserable life. I remember the opening sequence being really cool, too. I actually just got it on blu-ray last week because I've been watching the Rebuild series again so I'll have to see if it matches up to how I remember it.
I'm so happy to hear some news about the 4th movie, though. So, so happy. All I have to do now is not perish sometime before its release.
Yeah I quite liked 3.0, especially the first like 3/4ths of it. After reading some shit online the movie made almost complete sense up to that point. Then the last 20 minutes or so happened where literally nothing is explained and you have no idea what the fuck is going on and you're just supposed to accept what's happening. I think it does it on purpose. The viewer is supposed to be in Shinji's shoes and not know what the fuck is going on. I loved the ending though. I loved Shinju's desperation and watching him stand there completely broken as he fucked every time up yet again. Poor kid.
Anno, you can apologize by changing the title back to 4.0. The fuck is 3.0 + 1.0? This ain't math class.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
What was bad about 3?
Killer Queen
Banned
I just really don't like the direction they took or really anything about it after how stellar 1.0 and 2.0 were. I love 1 and 2 but 3 kinda ruined the future of rebuild and was just really silly and way too far detached for my liking.
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
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Literally almost everything. The music was good and that was it. 2.22 is my one of my favorite movies ever, and I was hotly anticipating Q for years. It let me down completely. The defense force for it fucking baffles me.
And yeah, it basically tanked my love of the Rebuild movies. There is no way it can possibly be salvaged in the fourth movie, and it really depresses me. 3.33 undid what little character development the first two movies managed to provide, made every character flat as a board, introduced even more characters for no reason, and didn't have a single memorable fight barring the batshit tiger transformation. Every single fight in 2.22 is amazing, so to go from that to 3.33 is upsetting.
3.33 is what a surface level Evangelion fan thinks Evangelion is about. Big dumb robots, depressed teenagers, suffering, a complete lack of any explanations, technobabble, and pseudo "deep" judeochristian bullshit out the ass.
3 is a mess of a film. The way it jumps in time without explanation from 2 is conceptually cool, but the execution could not be worse. Even within itself, the story is almost incoherent and it's really tough to even parse what's happening or why.
All that being said, it's almost a kind of beautiful mess. It's completely surprising and out of left field. It's also an extremely visually striking film and is a good watch if just for that.
I'm really interested to see where they go from there. Do they try to fill in the 2.0~3.0 gap and try to make the film series coherent or do they just jump off from the end of 3 and right a sort of duolgoy out of that. I kind of hope for the later because the last thing 4.0 needs is more baggage to deal with.
Danis Saur
Member
Wait, they weren't making shit all these years? But those previews of the fourth movie... what the fuck?
psynergylover
Member
I didn't believe anyone who told me that 3 was bad. Figured it was just over-exaggeration. It's bad. But like the first twenty minutes are good
ranmafan
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While I've lost almost all interest in the franchise after the third film was such a disappointment (especially as it was nothing at all like the preview at the end of the second film said it would be) I do hope he does hurry up and finish the fourth one. I do want to see what he can come up with, but so much damage has already been done with the last film (and a little with the second film too) that I don't know if a fourth will make me excited for evangelion the way i was way back in the 90s again. That being said, the new Godzilla looks amazing and looking forward to seeing that in a few weeks.
LeadenStride
Member
I'm still doing this.
darkwing-buck
Member
Agreed
ranmafan
Member
I think everyone wants to see that film. I really want to know what the heck went on where that was just basically that trailer was shown, swept away like it never happened and no one ever talks about it. I really want to know why such a huge change in story direction happened? But considering its Anno and the history of this franchise its not surprising it happened. But yeah I want that 3.0 and not the one we got.
Truth.
Well, the bullshit started when the preview trailer for 3.0 at the end of 2.0 showed some enticing snippets about a semi-post apocalyptic world after the almost-Third Impact at the end of 2.0. None of that's actually in 3.0. Instead we pick up after most of the plot movement and important stuff has already happened, including an actual Third Impact inexplicably happening off-screen between 2.0 and 3.0 that happens because of vague or unexplained reasons. Let me repeat, the world ends off-screen and the only explanation is a bunch of mystical nonsense. You're a Mass Effect player, I know, so it's analogous to
if ME3 had stopped before Earth and then ME4 picked up post-Synthesis with no explanation
But the poor/nonexistent explanation is only one problem, and frankly if that was all there was to it, 3.0 probably would have been salvageable. Unfortunately, the movie also suffers from bad pacing on top of this. Worst of all, character motivations and actions are either unclear or don't make sense. The film quickly institutes an idiot plot, wherein the eventual conflict is easily preventable by someone simply talking to Shinji for 5 minutes. Instead, Misato's poor and inexplicable behavior leads to Shinji making bad decisions which lead to a final fight that doesn't make any sense. It's difficult to get invested in Shinji's state of mind when no one in the movie is acting like an actual human being might if they had an ounce of sense.
Also, the movie spends a lot of time developing this Rei copy, but I honestly have no idea why I'm supposed to care. This is either the second or fourth time the viewer has been subjected to this "Rei clone learning to be human" stuff and it's incredibly stale by now. And what's Asuka doing this whole movie besides being mad at Shinji? Any character development? No, because no one besides Shinji and a half-assed Rei clone gets any character development. Much better to have an interminable amount of scenes where Shinji angsts about life and stares longingly/blankly at Kaworu/Rei in some order or fashion.
Another personal gripe I have which is more subjective comes down to the purpose of the Rebuild. At the end of 3.0 we're back where we were at the end of the series. Yes, that's the point, but is it a worthwhile point? Are we compelled by Shinji becoming comatose again because he's depressed? I'm certainly not. 2.0 was skewing towards ways that this cycle was going to be different, which was both exciting as a series watcher (I mean shit, who didn't think "Wait this is now?!" when the Third Impact started and Kaworu descended? Who wasn't pleasantly surprised that the characters showed real emotional improvement during the 2nd movie, and horrified when the poster child for this improvement (Asuka) climbed into a mech we all knew was doomed?) and as someone who simply likes good action and plot movement. Why not just continue diverging from the series like 2.0 did? Is the message really just about cyclically fucking things up? This was already gleaned from the series and makes the whole Rebuild redundant except for a cash grab.
4.0 might alleviate that final concern somewhat, but it won't retroactively make 3.0 compelling to watch. It'll just mean 3.0 was intentionally a shitty movie.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Is being what, 4 years? I completely forgot what the movies were about at this point.
I will still watch it
Truth.
Hey, everyone loved eva 2.0 so lets take eva 3.0 in a totally different direction and make it shit, because, hey, we cant have everyone loving eva cant we?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I am curious to aee how he closes out the shit show he created with 3.0
I liked 3.0 the most not because of its quality but rather because he tried something new with eva.
1.0 was just a movie version of the first few episodes with all the substance sucked out of the characters and 2.0 was the same but with some new stuff.
I liked 3.0 the most not because of its quality but rather because he tried something new with eva.
1.0 was just a movie version of the first few episodes with all the substance sucked out of the characters and 2.0 was the same but with some new stuff.
Haloid1177
Banned
As someone who watched Rebuild before the original series, 3.33 wasn't awful, but then I guess I kinda saw what is going for when I finished the series, and it just missed the mark. Crazy and weird for the sake of it doesn't work, and that's exactly what 3.33 felt like.
Up until then, after doing the third entry Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo, I thought I wasnt going to make any more
So, what you're saying is, you have no plan what the heck you are doing with these movies either.
It's not like you're missing much. The first movie is just a recap of the first few episodes, the second one is great, but everything good it has done was undone by the craptacular third movie.
So, what you're saying is, you have no plan what the heck you are doing with these movies either.
It's not like you're missing much. The first movie is just a recap of the first few episodes, the second one is great, but everything good it has done was undone by the craptacular third movie.
J-Roderton
Member
Well, it's better than no news. I'll just keep waiting I guess.
3.0 was great btw.
3.0 was great btw.
What's not to like in 1?
2 is a great movie too, but changes start happening there that I could understand people going one way or the other.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
His depression creeped back up during the creation of 3.0. That's why he's been taking an extended break from Evangelion.
I don't think it's bad, but it's a movie designed to make you feel bad. It goes in the complete opposite direction of 2.0, which was much more uplifting, hopeful and even somewhat shounen-y. 3.0 is much bleaker and more miserable, and everything that seemed good and cool in 2.0 is now the source of so much misfortune in 3.0.
I mean, the movie itself skips over a ton of plot in the aftermath 2.0, barely explains any of the changes and the explanations that are put forth are as barebones and obfuscating as possible, which is frustrating. But more than that, I think the reason it leaves such a sour taste in so many people's mouths is because it's meant to leave a sour taste about Shinji's world now.
No wonder the movie made Anno so depressed! Or maybe the movie is the way it is because Anno became depressed at the time.
There was a plan for the series back in the early days (one that involved all four movies being out by like 2009 :lol) but I think once Anno started getting a lot more money to use, and a lot more ideas started popping into his head, he ditched that plan. Like, originally, movies 1-3 were all meant to be streamlined recaps of the series, with the fourth being a new ending. I think Anno became bored of pretty quickly and decided as long he was doing new Eva, he wanted to take it in a new direction.
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