Star Fox Zero |OT| The Fox Awakens

balladofwindfishes said:
I didn't find it challenging beyond figuring out the patterns and how to properly dodge. Most of my lives were lost because he used some new attack I couldn't figure out how to avoid before he killed me. For the eye lasers, just watch them and hover with the Walker, or stand still, depending on where they're coming from.

The one attack I couldn't figure out how to dodge was his magnet hand attack. I had no idea what to do there, luckily he didn't seem to do it that often so it didn't matter.

You were using the Walker for the entire fight, right? The arena and the battle is set up entirely for using the Walker 100% of the time, except for dodging the big laser barrage.
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When he magnetizes you and you're brought towards his hand, you have to use the motion aiming to target the weak spot on his hand and shoot it a lot. Too much, really. If you're successful, he'll shake his hand in pain.
 
OCDChewie said:
When he magnetizes you and you're brought towards his hand, you have to use the motion aiming to target the weak spot on his hand and shoot it a lot. Too much, really. If you're successful, he'll shake his hand in pain.
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Yea, I thought that, but no matter how much I shot his hand, it didn't seem to matter. I was mashing the fire button and hitting him, but even that wasn't enough.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Yea, I thought that, but no matter how much I shot his hand, it didn't seem to matter. I was mashing the fire button and hitting him, but even that wasn't enough.
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Did you pick up twin lasers after you blew up his first hand? And, of course, it's better if you had twin lasers before so you can have hyper lasers.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Yep, I don't know, maybe I wasn't hitting him even though it looked like I was
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Be ready to shoot - I mean, line up the reticle with the hand - as he raises the closed fist. Oh, and use the first-person perspective... try to remember how you battled those small grapple beam things on Titania and apply your skills here.

Yeah, it's tricky, and you gotta fail a lot, but it's totally possible to destroy the grappling hand with lasers.
 
DownGrader said:
Be ready to shoot - I mean, line up the reticle with the hand - as he raises the closed fist. Oh, and use the first-person perspective... try to remember how you battled those small grapple beam things on Titenia and apply your skills here.

Yeah, it's tricky, and you gotta fail a lot, but it's totally possible to destroy the grappling hand with lasers.
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I haven't been to Titania yet. Apparently I killed Wolf too quickly. Maybe that's why the game seemed to spike in difficulty right after that stage... that Bird Boss on Fortuna was a hassle
 
wild wild rice said:
Once I prioritized gyro aiming over looking at the second screen the controls started to click. I was basically just controlling it like SF64 with an extra screen, which you can do, but I'm thinking higher scores will be possibly by actually getting good at gyro aiming.
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Same here, that's how the controls started to work for me.
 
DownGrader said:
Be ready to shoot - I mean, line up the reticle with the hand - as he raises the closed fist. Oh, and use the first-person perspective... try to remember how you battled those small grapple beam things on Titania and apply your skills here.

Yeah, it's tricky, and you gotta fail a lot, but it's totally possible to destroy the grappling hand with lasers.
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Remeber to also pull back on the control stick
 
The only way this could have maybe worked on a single screen is if pressing L2 acted like scoping in a FPS and just brought up the cockpit view. That's more or less what I'm treating that mechanic as.
 
Arnie7 said:
Platinum games control cycle continues. Every game of theirs has a difficulty curve mastering the controls but once people get past it there is a gem to be found.
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Past P+ games have always been easy to pick up and play but hard to master. This is hard to pick and play in the first place.
 
Sigh, who the hell came up with the control scheme for chicken mode. It's 2016, we have 3rd person shooter control nailed now. Could have just copied Splatoon
 
LightningXCE said:
I just don't feel like I have control over where I'm aiming, and when I do, I don't have conrol over where the ship is flying. I feel like I'm fighting the controls rather than the game, which really sucks because the game itself is awesome, but not enjoyable due to this stupid aiming crap.

For the love of God I hope we somehow get a classic control scheme somehow patched in. Starfox holds a special place in my heart, and not having any real CO trol in this game is killing me inside.
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How are you holding the Gamepad? Where are you looking to shoot?

You should be looking at the tv and not the Gsmepad about 90% of the time and not tilting the Gamepad much at all to shoot. Just a little here and there to fine tune your shots.

Only look down at the Gamepad very very rarely for sniping some difficult angles.
 
The one silly part of the controls that bother me is barrel rolling not being on the trigger buttons

Even though I've been playing for hours, I can't get used to it.

It's been on the triggers since the SNES...
 
These gold medals hidden throughout the stages, you get them for actually finding them in the level and also satisfying some hidden criteria right?

I am sooo loving this game. I'm finding that I love the Land Master most of all. It just feels so good to me.

I just can't get a handle on high scores. After a million tries I got gold in Corneria and now I'm working on Sector a but man what am I doing wrong or missing?
 
This game is fucking amazing. The dogfights, the boss battles, the music. Definitely the Star Fox successor I've been looking for.

Finally getting a grip on these controls, and its great!
 
Okay, I think everything finally clicked. Finally. I still have problems with the 1v1 Star Wolf chronie dogfights, but once I started thinking "okay, aim like SPLATOON and occasionally look down for enemies that go off screen" it all came together. The boss battles though really force you to look at both. I don't even want to know what it looked like when I was fighting the Titania boss, haha.

Best level so far for me. Also really enjoyed Fichina and the
big spider boss

I used to hate the Landmaster and now it's like my favorite, haha.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
The one silly part of the controls that bother me is barrel rolling not being on the trigger buttons

Even though I've been playing for hours, I can't get used to it.

It's been on the triggers since the SNES...
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This, completely. The controls are great, but this is very unintuitive. I keep using bombs on accident because of this😓
 
Honestly wondering if all the people having issues with motion controls and disliking Star fox are going to be the same that don't take to VR and the interactive gestures for that also.
 
RomanceDawn said:
These gold medals hidden throughout the stages, you get them for actually finding them in the level and also satisfying some hidden criteria right?
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For most of them, you spawn the medal by satisfying hidden criteria, although there are some medals which are ready for pickup but placed in very tricky places. And, of course, there are medals for a gold trophy and medals spawned by picking up three medal rings.

The new medal system makes me excited for... new 3D Mario, ha ha. Just imagine - a perfect blend of mission-based collectibles (bonus Stars and Shines) and pickup collectibles (Gold Coins, Miiverse Stamps)!

jamesmccloud said:
Trust your instincts.
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RomanceDawn said:
These gold medals hidden throughout the stages, you get them for actually finding them in the level and also satisfying some hidden criteria right?

I am sooo loving this game. I'm finding that I love the Land Master most of all. It just feels so good to me.

I just can't get a handle on high scores. After a million tries I got gold in Corneria and now I'm working on Sector a but man what am I doing wrong or missing?
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You have to make use of the blue charge shot and take advantage of large groups of enemies.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
The one silly part of the controls that bother me is barrel rolling not being on the trigger buttons

Even though I've been playing for hours, I can't get used to it.

It's been on the triggers since the SNES...
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Of all the control woes this game has brought out of people this is the one that actually irks me.
 
Haven't played the game yet, but I have the Falco amiibo and about to load it up. I might just go glass cannon from jump and really enjoy the challenge.
 
SF0 is pretty divisive so far. It seems like if you can get used to the controls you'll like the game but if you can't you'll hate it alot. I remember thinking I would hate Splatoon because of it's controls but after it clicked I really liked it so I think I'll probably play SF0.
 
SlasherJPC said:
Honestly wondering if all the people having issues with motion controls and disliking Star fox are going to be the same that don't take to VR and the interactive gestures for that also.
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I use motion and gyro controls in most games that offer the options, including Star Fox 643D, and I don't like it at all in this.
 
Started playing it last night and I'm really enjoying it. I don't understand the bitching about the controls by a lot of the media outlets. Seems like people are just pissed about no traditional controls with a Pro Controller.

The one thing I'm really surprised about is the lack of character driven cut scenes. That's like a hallmark of games Platinum works on.

I was also kind of bummed that the game didn't kick off with the iconic run down the tunnels and the crew hopping into their Arwings.
 
I really really loved Star fox 64 back in my teenage years, i completed the game so many times, all paths, etc.

But damn, 65$ canadian for the game... its a tough pill to swallow for this game, sucks even more than Nintendo is notorious to almost never dropping prices.
 
massoluk said:
Sigh, who the hell came up with the control scheme for chicken mode. It's 2016, we have 3rd person shooter control nailed now. Could have just copied Splatoon
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This is the part where I gave up on the game. I can see why they got all weird with the flying controls, but there's absolutely no excuse for how bad the controls are in chicken mode. It's like Nintendo's designers have been stuck in a time capsule where dual-stick third-person controls haven't been invented yet.
 
I think my biggest issue with controls is the barrel roll on the right stick. It needs to be on a button, just too awkward to use right now. Motion controls clicked nearly instantly for me, although all range mode requires some getting used to.
 
I must be the only one who enjoys chickenwing. It's got an unruly sense to the controls like a runaway starchicken probably should. Looking at the GamePad while doing barrels rolls and shooting stuff is bad ass.

Bring on Vanquish 2: The Chickenwingening
 
Esque7 said:
I think my biggest issue with controls is the barrel roll on the right stick. It needs to be on a button, just too awkward to use right now. Motion controls clicked nearly instantly for me, although all range mode requires some getting used to.
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Same here, double tapping the stick or even knocking it in the opposite direction is too slow to deflect bullets.

wild wild rice said:
I must be the only one who enjoys chickenwing. It's got an unruly sense to the controls like a runaway starchicken probably should. Looking at the GamePad while doing barrels rolls and shooting stuff is bad ass.
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I actually enjoy all the vehicles missions so far, though chicken is definitely my favorite.
 
Enjoying the game a lot so far. The controls do take time to learn. So far I'm okay with the arwing in both modes and the gyro. The walker form is iffy at times. Need more practice. The landmaster is a problem. That thing has always been a problem for me though and it's no different here. The level with it is really nice though, as is the boss. Sucks that lthe landmaster is bad.

Combat is a lot more intense then I expected. I do plan on doing some missions and even a run with just the cockpit on the TV. Waiting until I've beat the game for the first time before using the Falcon amiibo.
 
wild wild rice said:
I must be the only one who enjoys chickenwing. It's got an unruly sense to the controls like a runaway starchicken probably should. Looking at the GamePad while doing barrels rolls and shooting stuff is bad ass.

Bring on Vanquish 2: The Chickenwingening
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You are not alone, Chickenwing is wonderful.
 
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