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[Moreche]

This is the direction I've wanted consoles to take for a long time.
I have always wanted incremental HW updates more regularly with full BC.
I actually think this is how the Sony PlayStation division will survive, remember this is a company that needs sales considering the risks they take with their software, how else do they recuperate with games bombing like order 1886?
It's a shame their smartphone and TV divisions aren't making the sales using PS Now and the streaming tech as they are great ways for them to spread out, as much as they see the PlayStation name being the strength behind other products, it really is just a console division.
But I really want the Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation names to survive and be healthy because it's such a shame to read people's thoughts on thinking mobile is the future.
Playing KOTOR and Transport Tycoon on a £500 tablet is not the future I want to see.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Whats worse? This, or seeing consoles going up to $599 - $699 when they release a few years later? With how fast things are moving tech-wise these days I feel like those are the only 2 options with the current state of things. Games on consoles are already having a hard time performing well while trying to keep up with advancements happening in games. I feel like if PS4 would have gone that route and been way more powerful out of the gate with a much higher price tag, it would have seen half of the success it did.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Why buy a ps5.5 knowing the ps6 would be out in a few years? Why buy a ps6 knowing the ps6.6 would be out in a few years? And so on. You upgrade when you are ready, or can afford it, or when the games you want stop coming to your current console.

But this is my entire point. It's why I said it's pushing me towards PC gaming. Why would I buy ANY of them when I know a refresh is coming so soon?

The first two years of a new console are typically the most dry. I'm not throwing down a bunch of money just to get launch games and have a better system come out in two years. And 99% of the good games that come to these consoles will be on PC. So why would I even continue in their ecosystem when I could just jump over to PC gaming, update my PC whenever I can and have better hardware than anything Playstation would be putting out at the time anyway?

 

[PeterLegend]

I think it would have been better to release PS5 in 2018 instead.

 

[Moneal]

But this is my entire point. It's why I said it's pushing me towards PC gaming. Why would I buy ANY of them when I know a refresh is coming so soon?

The first two years of a new console are typically the most dry. I'm not throwing down a bunch of money just to get launch games and have a better system come out in two years. And 99% of the good games that come to these consoles will be on PC. So why would I even continue in their ecosystem when I could just jump over to PC gaming, update my PC whenever I can and have better hardware than anything Playstation would be putting out at the time anyway?

So why buy a console anyway?

 

[Moneal]

I think it would have been better to release PS5 in 2018 instead.

And jumst have it a bit better than ps4k. Zen will not be cheap enough by then, neither wil hbm2 or Polaris 11, which are all needed to get the generational jump in power.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

So why buy a console anyway?

Are you even reading what I'm saying? My entire point is that with this model I have no reason to. I would just jump over to PC gaming.

I bought consoles in the past because I felt like I was getting a product that would last me for at least half a decade before it's update. Now consoles are going to update every two or three years, and if I want the most advanced console out there I will have to shell out $400 or so every couple years. I could easily take that money and update a PC. Probably with better results.

 

[nib95]

I think it would have been better to release PS5 in 2018 instead.

Agreed. I also think if they really want this two tier system to attract the enthusiast console demographic going forward, there should just be two versions at launch. A pro version and a regular version, the pro having a much better GPU for $100-$200 more or whatever. I'd buy it. I'd rather spend more at launch than the added cost and inconvenience of having to buy something every few years for that higher tier experience. Both strategies have their messaging pitfalls, but a one time premium purchase for those that can afford it, is an easier sell imo.

 

[GobFather]

Or you're allowing people with the disposable income to buy a slightly better experience and allow 4K tv owners to get actual 4K video output upscaled for the tvs they use?

Like Chub says, the market will decide.

But like airline seats, tickets to the football match or movie seats, if you're willing to pay more, you can have a slightly better experience. But everyone gets to the same destination, everyone sees the same match, everyone sees the same film.

This is a really good example.

 

[timetokill]

This definitely validates my decision to mostly switch to PC gaming.

What's funny is console warriors always said "but PC gaming is too expensive! You gotta upgrade, etc. etc." and if consoles are going this way, then they lose that advantage entirely.

Because if I want to upgrade my PC, I don't have to throw out the old machine and get an entirely new box. I can upgrade one piece or another. I get WAY more bang for the buck upgrading individual parts. Not to mention I don't have to pay for online gaming.

 

[DigSCCP]

But this is my entire point. It's why I said it's pushing me towards PC gaming. Why would I buy ANY of them when I know a refresh is coming so soon?

The first two years of a new console are typically the most dry. I'm not throwing down a bunch of money just to get launch games and have a better system come out in two years. And 99% of the good games that come to these consoles will be on PC. So why would I even continue in their ecosystem when I could just jump over to PC gaming, update my PC whenever I can and have better hardware than anything Playstation would be putting out at the time anyway?

Honestly I dont see PC gaming as a solution for this, mainly because PC gaming has exactly this same issue since ever.
Still tho I get your point and for me the most reasonable solution right now is skip the first model.
Instead of buying a PS5 at launch, like I did with 4, when 5 comes out I ll wait for 5.5.

 

[metareferential]

Agreed. I also think if they really want this two tier system to attract the enthusiast console demographic going forward, there should just be two versions at launch. A pro version and a regular version, the pro having a much better GPU for $100-$200 more or whatever. I'd buy it. I'd rather spend more at launch than the added cost and inconvenience of having to buy something every few years for that higher tier experience. Both strategies have their messaging pitfalls, but a one time premium purchase for those that can afford it, is an easier sell imo.

They want the two-tier system to lock you in their ecosystem.

There's no point in traditional generation with a two-tier system (since it doesn't take advantage of the existing userbase and it doesn't "lock" you in; you can always jump elsewhere). It only works mid-gen, and it will only work now since they are in the best position to do so.

And a two-tier system from the start means developers target the lowest one (not to mention they'd have the usual difficulties of a small userbase).

 

[timetokill]

Honestly I dont see PC gaming as a solution for this, mainly because PC gaming has exactly this same issue since ever.
Still tho I get your point and for me the most reasonable solution right now is skip the first model.
Instead of buying a PS5 at launch, like I did with 4, when 5 comes out I ll wait for 5.5.

The difference in PC gaming is you don't have to replace the entire PC every few years to be on the cutting edge.

They want the two-tier system to lock you in their ecosystem.

There's no point in traditional generation with a two-tier system. It only works mid-gen, and it will only work now since they are in the best position to do so.

Yup.

 

[PG2G]

But this is my entire point. It's why I said it's pushing me towards PC gaming. Why would I buy ANY of them when I know a refresh is coming so soon?

The first two years of a new console are typically the most dry. I'm not throwing down a bunch of money just to get launch games and have a better system come out in two years. And 99% of the good games that come to these consoles will be on PC. So why would I even continue in their ecosystem when I could just jump over to PC gaming, update my PC whenever I can and have better hardware than anything Playstation would be putting out at the time anyway?

I'd assume the whole dry first two years thing would no longer apply because there is no longer a 'start' of the generation where developers are forced to start from scratch.

 

[DigSCCP]

This definitely validates my decision to mostly switch to PC gaming.

What's funny is console warriors always said "but PC gaming is too expensive! You gotta upgrade, etc. etc." and if consoles are going this way, then they lose that advantage entirely.

Because if I want to upgrade my PC, I don't have to throw out the old machine and get an entirely new box. I can upgrade one piece or another. I get WAY more bang for the buck upgrading individual parts. Not to mention I don't have to pay for online gaming.

Kinda of.
Have you ever had an experience with PC Gaming?
In the end is the same.
Yeah you have the advantage of doing minor upgrades, but when you look at the end you will expend the same or mofe thans you would with a console.
Whatt I still dont get it is : why should you upgrade your PS4 just cause PS4K is coming soon? Boy if you follow this route on PC Gaming you really should prepare your wallet.

 

[Theman2k]

This neo console hits all the wrong notes in my opinion.
If its a small upgrade, whats the point when you sell ps4 like crazy?
If its a huge upgrade, you just stabbed your consumers in the back without being forthcoming with the roadmap with the neo.

Its lose-lose to everyone.
And don't get me started with the OP, and all the people it magically convinced that the neo is a good thing. It really isn't nothing more the most anti userbase action sony made since charging for online play with no good reason!

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Honestly I dont see PC gaming as a solution for this, mainly because PC gaming has exactly this same issue since ever.
Still tho I get your point and for me the most reasonable solution right now is skip the first model.
Instead of buying a PS5 at launch, like I did with 4, when 5 comes out I ll wait for 5.5.

For some people for sure. For people who have zero technical knowledge of computers or desire to learn it, this won't change a thing.

But for people like me who either already know or are willing to learn, I see zero reason to ever buy a Sony or Microsoft console again. The only reason I would have is exclusive games and there seem to be fewer and fewer good ones for these systems as the years go on.

 

[DigSCCP]

The difference in PC gaming is you don't have to replace the entire PC every few years to be on the cutting edge.

You really believe in this?
Have you ever had an experience with PC Gaming before?
Sorry for making the same question again, but my experience on PC Gaming tells me that this is not true...

 

[Chuck Norris]

The difference in PC gaming is you don't have to replace the entire PC every few years to be on the cutting edge.




Yup.

You dont? Are you sure about that?

The reason i got out of PC upgrading years ago was that it was an absolute mess to upgrade after a few years. Motherboard incompatabilities, meant to get the new GPU I was looking to upgrade the whole kit. Ram became a limitation so there was no point not upgrading there. Sometimes the power source was inadequate. Etc

Ill give that its been a few years so maybe things have smoothened out by now. But it never felt like an easy one piece upgrade. It just started a domino effect on needing to upgrade everything else

 

[Steel]

You dont? Are you sure about that?

The reason i got out of PC upgrading years ago was that it was an absolute mess to upgrade after a few years. Motherboard incompatabilities, meant to get the new GPU I was looking to upgrade the whole kit. Ram became a limitation so there was no point not upgrading there. Sometimes the power source was inadequate. Etc

Ill give that its been a few years so maybe things have smoothened out by now. But it never felt like an easy one piece upgrade. It just started a domino effect on needing to upgrade everything else

You can still use a 2500k. Motherboards don't need to be swapped anymore. The only thing that needs to be upgraded if you get a decent CPU anymore is the graphics card.

 

[Inuhanyou]

This definitely validates my decision to mostly switch to PC gaming.

What's funny is console warriors always said "but PC gaming is too expensive! You gotta upgrade, etc. etc." and if consoles are going this way, then they lose that advantage entirely.

Because if I want to upgrade my PC, I don't have to throw out the old machine and get an entirely new box. I can upgrade one piece or another. I get WAY more bang for the buck upgrading individual parts. Not to mention I don't have to pay for online gaming.

Good for you. But you still don't have to upgrade as long as the base machine is fully supported.

 

[DigSCCP]

For some people for sure. For people who have zero technical knowledge of computers or desire to learn it, this won't change a thing.

But for people like me who either already know or are willing to learn, I see zero reason to ever buy a Sony or Microsoft console again. The only reason I would have is exclusive games and there seem to be fewer and fewer good ones for these systems as the years go on.

Well Im not a PC expert but I believe I have some experience with the system.
I ve been mounting my PCs on my own since 2004.
Gaming on PC even before that.
And while I can understand that some are anger with this or dont agreewith this iteration model, I dont agree too tbh, but when I see people saying "now Im going to PC" I ask myself if they really know what they are doing.

 

[DigSCCP]

You dont? Are you sure about that?

The reason i got out of PC upgrading years ago was that it was an absolute mess to upgrade after a few years. Motherboard incompatabilities, meant to get the new GPU I was looking to upgrade the whole kit. Ram became a limitation so there was no point not upgrading there. Sometimes the power source was inadequate. Etc

Ill give that its been a few years so maybe things have smoothened out by now. But it never felt like an easy one piece upgrade. It just started a domino effect on needing to upgrade everything else

Like I said I think a lot of people going over the echoes of "now I take the PC route" dont have a clue where they are going.

 

[Inuhanyou]

This neo console hits all the wrong notes in my opinion.
If its a small upgrade, whats the point when you sell ps4 like crazy?
If its a huge upgrade, you just stabbed your consumers in the back without being forthcoming with the roadmap with the neo.

Its lose-lose to everyone.
And don't get me started with the OP, and all the people it magically convinced that the neo is a good thing. It really isn't nothing more the most anti userbase action sony made since charging for online play with no good reason!

Your being hyperbolic. Your not forced to buy anything, so how could it possibly be anti-consumer.

Its far less anticonsumer than shutting off support for a PS3 and going to PS4 with no support for your previous purchases or investment into the ecosystem, which isn't very anticonsumer at all.

This is an upgraded unit for those people who care more about a premium experience than a base experience. Mirror's Edge is 900p, blurry as hell and barely 60fps on PS4, FF15 is a blurry dynamic resolution with huge FPS drops when things get busy.

This is just an option to avoid all that.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Well Im not a PC expert but I believe I have some experience with the system.
I ve been mounting my PCs on my own since 2004.
Gaming on PC even before that.
And while I can understand that some are anger with this or dont agreewith this iteration model, I dont agree too tbh, but when I see people saying "now Im going to PC" I ask myself if they really know what they are doing.

I have a PC that my friend gave me. I'm by no means an expert but he explained the ins and outs to me and said he'd be willing to help me whenever I want to upgrade. So I wouldn't exactly be going it alone. I feel like I could make the switch pretty easily with his help. Otherwise you'd be right. I'd probably be in over my head.

I'm also not really angry over this whole thing. It just seems like consoles are moving away from aspects that I liked about them and in doing so is leading me to want to continue my hobby elsewhere. Which seems like the opposite of what Sony would want.

 

[DigSCCP]

I see a lot of "my VG is not going to be the most powerful so I dont want it anymore " here.
Honestly I couldnt care less about that.
My main problem with iteration model is with games.
- Will developers make that effort to give all the system can give on the end of this gen ? Or will take the easy route of : if yiu wanna a better experience go 4K?
- Will support be the same? Or we will reach a point when Sony will try to push 4K up and make exclusive content for it?
- What happens next ? Will we have a generation leap like we always had or now we are going to live with the weight of middle gen model when next gen arrives?

 

[DeepEnigma]

So basically when PS5 comes out it will be hold back by PS4K until "PS5K" comes out.
Man this is gonna be a fun ride.

Why do you think something will be held back, if they can boost the settings for the PS5 mode on the disc? By then they will be more comfortable with how it all works, and will be settings not unlike the PC with low to high.

Or maybe two separate discs, but the SDK environment being the same instead of PS3 versus PS4.

 

[Theman2k]

Your being hyperbolic. Your not forced to buy anything, so how could it possibly be anti-consumer.

This is an upgraded unit for those people who care more about a premium experience than a base experience. Mirror's Edge is 900p, blurry as hell and barely 60fps on PS4, FF15 is a blurry dynamic resolution with huge FPS drops when things get busy.

This is just an option to avoid all that.

The neo didn't took a month to make or even a year, it was planned since the ps4 was launched. If sony would have shared this roadmap with us we had real choice other then "you don't have to upgrade". I could have chosen not to buy a ps4 at launch and wait for a price drop, or wait for the neo or go PC only.

Its anti userbase more then general anti consumer, they do have every right to make whatever products they want.

Developers have 100% control on what product they are making, with the added benefit of a closed platform with the same hardware across the userbase.
Final fantasy was developed to look like we know it, they could have targeted lower polycount, texture resolusion and memory limits to hit that 1080p/30 fps steady but they chose not too. As much as sony satna monica chose to make a better neo version of god of war 4.

 

[meanspartan]

One of my favorite gaming moments of all time was when I saw Gears of War for the first time at a friends house. First time I ever saw a game in HD, it blew my mind.

Ditto going from SNES to Ps1 as a kid. And while Ps2 wasn't quite as big a jump, it still felt pretty big.

That just is never going to happen again is it? Especially with this .5 horseshit. Bummer. Maybe VR? We'll see.

 

[Chuck Norris]

The neo didn't took a month to make or even a year, it was planned since the ps4 was launched. If sony would have shared this roadmap with us we had real choice other then "you don't have to upgrade". I could have chosen not to buy a ps4 at launch and wait for a price drop, or wait for the neo or go PC only.

Its anti userbase more then general anti consumer, they do have every right to make whatever products they want.

Developers have 100% control on what product they are making, with the added benefit of a closed platform with the same hardware across the userbase.
Final fantasy was developed to look like we know it, they could have targeted lower polycount, texture resolusion and memory limits to hit that 1080p/30 fps steady but they chose not too. As much as sony satna monica chose to make a better neo version of god of war 4.

Why would they cut their legs off by announcing it before the original even launched? Come now at least apply some logic

 

[DigSCCP]

Why do you think something will be held back, if they can boost the settings for the PS5 mode on the disc? By then they will be more comfortable with how it all works, and will be settings not unlike the PC with low to high.

Or maybe two separate discs, but the SDK environment being the same instead of PS5 versus PS4.

Boost seetings of a game developed on basis of a weaker system is being held.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

One of my favorite gaming moments of all time was when I saw Gears of War for the first time at a friends house. First time I ever saw a game in HD, it blew my mind.

Ditto going from SNES to Ps1 as a kid. And while Ps2 wasn't quite as big a jump, it still felt pretty big.

That just is never going to happen again is it? Especially with this .5 horseshit. Bummer. Maybe VR? We'll see.

If you havnt tried VR, the first time I tried it was a similar feeling to what you're talking about. Like the first time I played Mario 64 and was just floored. Not from the graphics though, just a whole new feeling of childish glee.

I dont think we will ever see a graphical jump like we did before unless some revolutionary new technology comes out in the next 20 years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

One of my favorite gaming moments of all time was when I saw Gears of War for the first time at a friends house. First time I ever saw a game in HD, it blew my mind.

Ditto going from SNES to Ps1 as a kid. And while Ps2 wasn't quite as big a jump, it still felt pretty big.

That just is never going to happen again is it? Especially with this .5 horseshit. Bummer. Maybe VR? We'll see.

That is not why. Tech is hitting a wall, and to get those boosts you are used to will require either a very expensive power hungry box, or you wave to wait a little longer (still not as long as last gen), and have an option for a more powerful 'slim' model if you want more fidelity sooner.

Boost seetings of a game developed on basis of a weaker system is being held.

You mean like PC? Which still outshines in multiplat more often than not. And is supposedly 'withheld' by the consoles.

PS4 is 'withheld' arguably with the existence of the Xbox One. Only first party truly shines. And it will still shine on the PS5.

Think about the crux of that argument. Same SDK environment =/= withheld.

 

[Mediking]

I think it would have been better to release PS5 in 2018 instead.

Agreed. Not buying a PS4K. Already have a PS4. Hello, Nintendo NX.

 

[Theman2k]

Why would they cut their legs off by announcing it before the original even launched? Come now at least apply some logic

Of course they won't!
That's pretty much why a lot of people are angry.

 

[Durante]

My problem with this whole ordeal is that I already have a gaming PC. My iterative hardware needs are covered, so I buy consoles for something different, something fixed and paradigmatic. By removing that, you remove why I buy consoles in the first place.

Well, that just ends up saving you money

 

[Inuhanyou]

Why do you think something will be held back, if they can boost the settings for the PS5 mode on the disc? By then they will be more comfortable with how it all works, and will be settings not unlike the PC with low to high.

Or maybe two separate discs, but the SDK environment being the same instead of PS3 versus PS4.

I think what he's saying is that game design in general would suffer because that's not something you can tick with settings. Having bigger worlds, bigger environments, more detailed and lived in worlds, higher poly counts and such would be compromised because the lesser hardware would not be able to render that, aka why every major game on PC is a console port regardless of already having components many times more powerful.

Crysis, or the Total War series are but only a few examples of this being taken advantage of on PC.

By definition, having an even middle of the road Zen class CPU in these consoles would do many things in terms of interactivity with the game world that the weak jaguars could never hope to do.

On the other hand, i don't think Sony is planning on their way forward impacting devs or games in that negative way.

 

[exmachina64]

So basically when PS5 comes out it will be hold back by PS4K until "PS5K" comes out.
Man this is gonna be a fun ride.

Cross-gen titles already held back titles being released in the first two to three years of the PS4 and Xbox One, so reducing the gap between the release of consoles from six years to three would be an improvement.

 

[Jacksinthe]

Honestly, this isn't an answer I'm remotely happy about from a consumer standpoint. My reading of it is that he likes the idea of a permanent state of iterative hardware releases simply because it makes his job easier. Instead of having to put in the time, money and effort to really push boundaries, engines and tech in substantial ways due to greatly improved hardware performance, unhindered by older far more inferior hardware, the way new generation consoles and cycles often demand, he prefers smaller shifts because it's basically easier to manage.

Well guess what, I'm not paying hundreds of dollars on these products every generation for "small shifts". Yes smaller shifts might make your job easier, but as a result we get less ambitious games with far less advanced tech and graphical fidelity, and less impressive jumps from generation to generation. That makes for less value proposition in my book, and counter to why I even look forward to new generations of consoles and hardware in the first place.

Small shifts between iterations. Same shifts at double the cycle (for standard gen). Let's say each shift moves the tech forward by a flat 50% of a gen - by the time the "PS5" hits - you will be at a 100% shift. There's your normal generational cycle and shift except instead of making a "cross-gen" game at 100% deficit, you're making a game at 50% deficit.

Guess what? You should be happy it makes our lives easier unless you like waiting for patches to fix issues because the big pubs like deadlines. You should be happy it can make dev life easier so we focus on the games and not trying to fit a square peg in a round hole every gen jump.

This whole discussion is maddening, at this point. There are a lot of benefits to this and NONE of it has to be purchased by the consumer to run a standard gen until support is dropped for -2 iterations - keeping within the same timeframe of an an average gen cycle like we have now and the "cross-gen" titles can be kept at an even closer power gap.

 

[DigSCCP]

You mean like PC? Which still outshines in multiplat more often than not. And is supposedly 'withheld' by the consoles.

PS4 is 'withheld' arguably with the existence of the Xbox One. Only first party truly shines. And it will still shine on the PS5.

Think about the crux of that argument. Same SDK environment =/= withheld.

Yeah I mean like PC and it sucks.
I dont care if multiplats outshine or not in the system, and Im saying this as someone who been playing on PC over a decade.
PCs could be doing what this gen is doing since 2010 ( acording to DF in a article where they Infamous Second Son as example ) instead of what we saw on PC until this gen starts was last gen games with a "boost".
For some thats enough.
For me its not.
Why play inFwmous 2 with boosts when my hardware can play Second Son?
So yes no matter what in the end we ll be held by PS4K when PS5 comes out, just like PCs are held by consoles.

 

[nib95]

Small shifts between iterations. Same shifts at double the cycle (for standard gen). Let's say each shift moves the tech forward by a flat 50% of a gen - by the time the "PS5" hits - you will be at a 100% shift. There's your normal generational cycle and shift except instead of making a "cross-gen" game at 100% deficit, you're making a game at 50% deficit.

Guess what? You should be happy it makes our lives easier unless you like waiting for patches to fix issues because the big pubs like deadlines. You should be happy it can make dev life easier so we focus on the games and not trying to fit a square peg in a round hole every gen jump.

This whole discussion is maddening, at this point. There are a lot of benefits to this and NONE of it has to be purchased by the consumer to run a standard gen until support is dropped for -2 iterations - keeping within the same timeframe of an an average gen cycle like we have now and the "cross-gen" titles can be kept at an even closer power gap.

Except that isn't what's happening at all. The PS4K is not even close to being a 50% shift. It's like 20% of a standard generational shift at best, only actually less because it's still being held back by the PS4. And that would be the same with a PS5 if that was also held back by the PS4K, and worse still if like the PS4K, it was only only another moderate jump in performance, instead of the massive jumps we're used to seeing.

And you know what, when I'm paying $400 for a piece of hardware for the sole purpose of playing games, which cost another $60 each, I'm not interested in forgoing my value for money and tech advancements just to make your life easier. This isn't a charity. Consumers demand a certain quality of product for their money. At the end of the day if you can't keep up with the tech advancements, don't. Countless games sell incredibly well today even without being highly advanced in tech, or having super fancy high end graphics, by instead being super accomplished in gameplay. Why reduce or diminish consumer value proposition just to make your life easier, when other devs, like Epic and Naughty Dog for example, might revel in far more advanced tech in order to want to push forward graphical boundaries and their medium?

 

[farmerboy]

I don't think I've seen such a divisive topic on GAF before. The more I look the more this looks like a messaging/marketing issue.

OK, everyone against this, can we do a little experiment?

Wipe the terms "PS4K", "PS Neo" and "iterative" from your mind. Replace them with PS5.

The PS5 will have a bigger GPU, upclocked CPU, faster ram, a UHD Bluray drive and be fully backwards compatible. It's coming out in 2017 but to mitigate the short gen all games need to release on both PS4 and PS5.

How do you feel now?

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Or you're allowing people with the disposable income to buy a slightly better experience and allow 4K tv owners to get actual 4K video output upscaled for the tvs they use?

Like Chub says, the market will decide.

But like airline seats, tickets to the football match or movie seats, if you're willing to pay more, you can have a slightly better experience. But everyone gets to the same destination, everyone sees the same match, everyone sees the same film.

I love the "layers of cream" analogy. Sony is leaving money on the table by not tapping into a market who want incremental upgrades. Why sell an arena as GA at a set price when you can have club or premium seating with added benefits. Same reason why you see stadiums with multiple suite levels and club sections while still maintaining reasonably priced tickets for the average Joe. It allows them to keep the $400 price point while still lowering the cost of entry for the PS4 in general. I would be shocked if they didn't keep a "base" PS4 SKU at $199 or $250 alongside the Neo.

Bottom line, this likely doesn't cost Sony an incredible amount of money, and will only increase profits for the company while consumers who want a slightly more premium experience can take advantage of the new hardware.

 

[Azelover]

Sony's own reputation is their worst enemy when it comes to this.

I hope for the best, BUT I think it's going to blow up in their faces. Would love to be wrong, cause I'm a customer and I have enjoyed all of their home systems through and through.

I'm gonna be honest. It's gonna be tough having to buy upgrades every few years.

I just wish they wouldn't.

 

[family_guy]

This definitely validates my decision to mostly switch to PC gaming.

Are you even reading what I'm saying? My entire point is that with this model I have no reason to. I would just jump over to PC gaming.

I bought consoles in the past because I felt like I was getting a product that would last me for at least half a decade before it's update.

Yeah, um, I thought we bought consoles for games that we wanted to play. If I want to play games like Uncharted 4 and Persona 5, I'll need my PS4. If I want to play Star Citizen, I'll need my PC. This will NEVER change. It's great to have both. Maybe try the same. I would never exclusively belong to either camp.

 

[Theman2k]

Guess what? You should be happy it makes our lives easier unless you like waiting for patches to fix issues because the big pubs like deadlines. You should be happy it can make dev life easier so we focus on the games and not trying to fit a square peg in a round hole every gen jump.

Sir, with all due respect, he pays for the product he buys. It's not like you're doing him a favor. And now you ask him to embrace a new console every 3 years.

 

[nib95]

I don't think I've seen such a divisive topic on GAF before. The more I look the more this looks like a messaging/marketing issue.

OK, everyone against this, can we do a little experiment?

Wipe the terms "PS4K", "PS Neo" and "iterative" from your mind. Replace them with PS5.

The PS5 will have a bigger GPU, upclocked CPU, faster ram, a UHD Bluray drive and be fully backwards compatible. It's coming out in 2017 but to mitigate the short gen all games need to release on both PS4 and PS5.

How do you feel now?

If your hypothetical was true, I'd feel worse.

1. Why the hell is the PS5 coming out so soon? This gen has only just got moving.

2. If it is supposed to be the PS5, a generational leap, why such a small jump in performance? Historically we see massive jumps in hardware performance, several times greater than previous gens. By all accounts the PS4K's performance would be high end by 2013's standards. It's nothing remarkable for 2016.

3. If it's supposed to be next gen, why have it held back by the PS4? That way devs can extract even less from its maximum potential as they're always going to have to consider the weaker lowest common denominator, the PS4, even with exclusives.


Thankfully the PS4K isn't the PS5, it's just an updated or more premium PS4.

 

[DigSCCP]

I don't think I've seen such a divisive topic on GAF before. The more I look the more this looks like a messaging/marketing issue.

OK, everyone against this, can we do a little experiment?

Wipe the terms "PS4K", "PS Neo" and "iterative" from your mind. Replace them with PS5.

The PS5 will have a bigger GPU, upclocked CPU, faster ram, a UHD Bluray drive and be fully backwards compatible. It's coming out in 2017 but to mitigate the short gen all games need to release on both PS4 and PS5.

How do you feel now?

"To mitigate the short gen we need all games on both system" I feel you need you need a better point/argument to try this experiment bro.

 

[ReBirFh]

I don't think I've seen such a divisive topic on GAF before. The more I look the more this looks like a messaging/marketing issue.

OK, everyone against this, can we do a little experiment?

Wipe the terms "PS4K", "PS Neo" and "iterative" from your mind. Replace them with PS5.

The PS5 will have a bigger GPU, upclocked CPU, faster ram, a UHD Bluray drive and be fully backwards compatible. It's coming out in 2017 but to mitigate the short gen all games need to release on both PS4 and PS5.

How do you feel now?

Bad? I can barely count the number of exclusives with my two hands and they are already expecting me to buy another console if I want to get the best console version.

Wasn't everyone complaining how Nintendo ducttaped their consoles together and how they would betray their userbase by giving up on the Wii U so soon? I also remember something about consumer confusion with the Wii U name that aparently will totaly not happen with PS4 Neo.

 

[Fess]

So they bought the console 3 years too early? How wise

That's the way it goes, you don't think people bought a PS4 day 1 to play Knack, do you? If you listen to the talk especially during E3 it's quite obvious that most people around here buys new hardware with future titles in mind.