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These fanboys have no idea what a true one console (switch doesn't count) ecosystem will do.

You need choices

How does the Switch/2 not count?

 

[DenchDeckard]

You're coming at me with alt accusations without anything to back it up. Prove it or stfu. I've visited icon era in the past, just as many have here, mainly because they had screenshots of a in development game. It soon became apparent what a cesspool it was with all the meltdowns about PS. NeoGAF is the only forum I've made an account with.

Not liking MS as a company doesn't make me a Sony fanboy. You have only been waving the PC flag and shitting on consoles since the continued downfall of MS in the console space. I know the benefits of PC gaming, I just prefer a simple console experience with a more level playing field when gaming online.

Ok, so why are you getting your panties in such a twist and pointing and declaring fan boy etc for someone with a different opinion than you, who is just sharing facts?

 

[clappedcheeks]

Ok, so why are you getting your panties in such a twist and pointing and declaring fan boy etc for someone with a different opinion than you, who is just sharing facts?

Dench dude, tone is difficult to get across in text, my panties are not twisted. I'm also derailing with these replies so I'm going to draw a line in the sand. If you want to continue then dm, if that's possible on here? No worries if not.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Ok, so why are you getting your panties in such a twist and pointing and declaring fan boy etc for someone with a different opinion than you, who is just sharing facts?

Let's be honest, you have on more than a few instances been a Xbox console warrior. Like when you were claiming "astrobot was Sony sponsored game of the year". So it is ironic for you of all, to claim that.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Dench dude, tone is difficult to get across in text, my panties are not twisted. I'm also derailing with these replies so I'm going to draw a line in the sand. If you want to continue then dm, if that's possible on here? No worries if not.

Let's be honest, you have on more than a few instances been a Xbox console warrior. Like when you were claiming "astrobot was Sony sponsored game of the year". So it is ironic for you of all, to claim that.

It's the same old circle of life for the Sony leaning group on here.

-Read something you dont like
-Attack user and claim they are a fan boy
- other sony users pile on when riling a user up and antagonising until they say stupid shit.

I have said stupid shit, I bet we all have at some time but we can improve and evolve as a poster.

If you read what I actually posted in this clearly inflammatory thread, with 0 data then I dont think it is in anyway Hyperbole.

 

[Radical_3d]

It'll be 2 years. I don't think they are planning to sell anything in 2027 but the Magnus in the last couple of months.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It all sounds nice, but Sony would probably be the first major global company to use a near-monopoly in its segment to actually do something good for customers and suppliers. After all, those companies always prioritize growth and profit. For me, Nintendo isn't a serious alternative either - the Switch is simply too weak and lacks too many third-party games.

I agree and not because Sony is some kind of no-profit company....

The reason why is very simple: Playstation is their crown jewel, probably their most important business division, so they will treat it like that

For Microsoft gaming was just a toy to burn money on....

And that's why it failed big time and deservedly so

 

[Felessan]

So you think a hardcore gamer wouldn't be interested in a console that's 35-40% more powerful, free Cloud saves, and possibly free multiplayer, and third party PC stores?

You forgot a little detail - twice the price

I supplied an answer to your thread. PC gaming is growing at a rapid rate and the industry will be completely fine without MS consoles. Its been fine all gen right? so what are you actually asking and we can discuss it?

Usual suspects, former Xbox fans now hard apologets for PC
PC growing roughly at the same place as consoles, it doesn't really gaining any ground despite Xbox demise

 

[MisterXDTV]

Usual suspects, former Xbox fans now hard apologets for PC

We will see a lot more of that in 2026

LOL

Xbox fans will magically become part of the PCMR cult

 

[Drell]

These fanboys have no idea what a true one console (switch doesn't count) ecosystem will do.

You need choices

Just like on the operating system market?

 

[Witchilich]

What is the deal with you Xbox refugees? Now MS is on the back foot all of a sudden the walled garden is shite, but it was perfectly acceptable when you were feeling on top of the world on the outset of this gen with the series consoles. All that excitement over the potential loss of the biggest games for Playstation gamers when MS got their acquisitions over the line, but now exclusives are evil as MS becomes more of a third party developer. Finally we have PC as the saviour of gaming and coincidentally MS central to that too with their dominance in the desktop OS. The general consensus among the MS faithful is that they are going to win out because the trifecta of cloud, gamepass, and the eventual dominance windows/PC in the gaming space and the mass migration of console users. Unless of course they buy the magnificent Magnus which is both console and PC. How can MS lose? You have the temerity to point people in the direction of icon era when you yourself are one of the biggest fanboys on this forum.

I get it dude, everyone has a preference but there's no need to yuck someone else's yum to validate your own choices.

They will either pretend to be a PC fan or a Nintendo fan. They are afraid to directly compare Xbox with Playstation.

We will see a lot more of that in 2026

LOL

Xbox fans will magically become part of the PCMR cult

Cakeboxer already has a PCMR avatar while being subscribed to Game Pass.

 

[bitbydeath]

It all sounds nice, but Sony would probably be the first major global company to use a near-monopoly in its segment to actually do something good for customers and suppliers. After all, those companies always prioritize growth and profit. For me, Nintendo isn't a serious alternative either - the Switch is simply too weak and lacks too many third-party games.

That's the benefit of non-competition, nobody pushing to continually make things worse.

 

[DenchDeckard]

You forgot a little detail - twice the price


Usual suspects, former Xbox fans now hard apologets for PC
PC growing roughly at the same place as consoles, it doesn't really gaining any ground despite Xbox demise

Just look at the steam trend for the last 10 years.

Steam has experienced substantial growth over the last decade, with its peak concurrent users increasing by over 500% and annual new game revenue growing nearly tenfold compared to 2014.

Key Growth Metrics (Last 10 Years)

• Peak Concurrent Users: Steam's peak concurrent user count grew from approximately 6.6 million in January 2013 to over 41 million in March 2025, a significant increase that accelerated during the COVID-19 pandemic. The current peak concurrent user count is nearly double what it was in March 2020.
• Monthly Active Users: Monthly active users increased from an estimated 67 million in 2017 to 132 million in 2021. (Valve stopped publicly disclosing this specific metric after 2021).
• Revenue: While Valve is a private company and does not release official financial reports, estimates and company announcements indicate massive revenue growth. In 2024, the total gross revenue from new games in their first month was ten times higher than in 2014. Overall annual revenue in 2024 was estimated at $9.8 billion.
• Game Releases: The number of games released on Steam has surged dramatically. In 2014, there were 1,714 game releases, while in 2024, that number increased to over 18,900.
• Market Share: Steam maintains a dominant position in the PC digital distribution market, holding an estimated 74-75% market share as of 2025.

This growth underscores the platform's ability to handle massive user loads, the consistent increase in PC gaming's popularity, and the continuous expansion of its game catalog.


Yes, PC is growing at the same rate as console. CLEARLY!

 

[Witchilich]

It all sounds nice, but Sony would probably be the first major global company to use a near-monopoly in its segment to actually do something good for customers and suppliers. After all, those companies always prioritize growth and profit. For me, Nintendo isn't a serious alternative either - the Switch is simply too weak and lacks too many third-party games.

I already mentioned this to you before. Sony has complete dominance in PS1 and PS2. And Xbox has not been a competition since 2013. Overall Xbox negatively influenced Playstation with paying to play online, putting first party exclusives on PC and live service push.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

It's the same old circle of life for the Sony leaning group on here.

-Read something you dont like
-Attack user and claim they are a fan boy
- other sony users pile on when riling a user up and antagonising until they say stupid shit.

I have said stupid shit, I bet we all have at some time but we can improve and evolve as a poster.

If you read what I actually posted in this clearly inflammatory thread, with 0 data then I dont think it is in anyway Hyperbole.

We all say stupid shit but we don't go around saying the stupid shit for over a year even after being corrected again and again by more sane members.

You have been claiming that Sony pays for its tga awards for more than a year, on multiple occasions. Surely you have proof of that by now.

If you had actually evolved as a poster, surely you wouldn't consistently rely on such fanboy drivel.


By the way, as for the thread, I don't agree with it, just like how I don't agree with a lot of the threads by the same poster.

 

[Topher]

They aren't competing anymore they are a third party publisher. I don't know how it will affect us tbh. Probably ok if the user moves to pc and enjoys all the benefits of that Vs the shitty closed garden of console gaming.

Ms seems to be doing well without consoles which is annoying imo because I thinkt hey had good hardware on the series x. Shown by how well it's performing Vs the ps5 pro in recent comparisons. So ultimately the consumer loses out for less competition but the industry seems fine.

More people seem to be waking up and going pc than ever so that's a good thing.

Realising that steam doesn't charge for online gaming, cloud saves, incredible family sharing etc. the best is already out there and it looks like consumers are migrating at a steady clip to pc gaming, so I think we will all be fine.

 

[Thebonehead]

Azure has Oroburus'd Xbox and surface division next year gobbling up all the ram for AI.

Speculating on 2026, As many have said that means Xbox becomes the app, not the console. I would bet that you'll probably see Xbox partner with more 3rd parties for branded devices as MSI, Asus etc have been stockpiling ram. So In essence an acceleration of their 2027 plans with Magnus, just with current gen chips and hardware as I think MS will probably stop production of Series consoles ( Unless they are driving subscriptions - We just don't know )

Surface division will see their niche and low profit models cut, and you'll just have a few premium high end business friendly models.

Dread to think what will happen if the AI bubble bursts.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Cakeboxer already has a PCMR avatar while being subscribed to Game Pass.

I already mentioned this to you before. Sony has complete dominance in PS1 and PS2. And Xbox has not been a competition since 2013. Overall Xbox negatively influenced Playstation with paying to play online, putting first party exclusives on PC and live service push.

This again? Your obsession with my avatar is starting to get worrying. And it may surprise you, but PC players also use Game Pass. It's called PC Game Pass, and there are even PC-exclusives.

The comparison with the PS1 and PS2 doesn't hold, because the market and the role of platforms have changed. Today, it's no longer just about consoles, but about complete digital ecosystems with stores, subscriptions, cloud gaming, and live services, where a dominant provider can exert much greater control over prices, visibility, and accessibility of games than in the '90s and early 2000s.

Back then, the competitive landscape was also different: Sony, Nintendo and Sega were relevant players, and the market was smaller, physically based, and less connected. Today, in the traditional high-end segment, practically only Sony and Microsoft compete directly, while Nintendo deliberately pursues a different approach. If Microsoft were to disappear, there would effectively be only one player left in the core console market, with no meaningful competition. This is not a return to the PS2 era, but rather a one-sided concentration of power in a much larger, more expensive, and more connected market. And such situations almost never benefit customers in the long run.

 

[RickMasters]

As long as Sony and Nintendo are able to maintain 100m+ userbases alongside the push for everything( outside Nintendo) to end up on PC, Xbox's participation as a hardware manufacturer nowadays is neither here nor there. Just them even releasing another Xbox now seems more like having something on shelves for hells sake and not because there's wide market demand or hype for the brand at this point. I mean I dont think this has been a great( strictly speaking first party output) gen for Sony but clearly even with shit market conditions and economic downturn they can still move consoles. Many of the issues affecting Xbox are because they've become extremely proficient at pointing a shotgun at their own foot and never missing.

That whole "100M consoles sold" going to be a thing of the past as gen Z comes of age, and gen alpha become the new target audience. they are not interested in consoles.They are not intrested in owning any form of physical media, in fact thats an old fashioned idea to them. if its not COD, fortnight or some othe pick up and play GAAS game, they can play on a tablet, forget about it. people under 25 are not really buying consoles anymore. and in japan mobile gaming has been king for sometime, unless you are nintendo.

 

[RickMasters]

Azure has Oroburus'd Xbox and surface division next year gobbling up all the ram for AI.

Speculating on 2026, As many have said that means Xbox becomes the app, not the console. I would bet that you'll probably see Xbox partner with more 3rd parties for branded devices as MSI, Asus etc have been stockpiling ram. So In essence an acceleration of their 2027 plans with Magnus, just with current gen chips and hardware as I think MS will probably stop production of Series consoles ( Unless they are driving subscriptions - We just don't know )

Surface division will see their niche and low profit models cut, and you'll just have a few premium high end business friendly models.

Dread to think what will happen if the AI bubble bursts.

Nah, AI is here to stay and MS along with Nvidia and google have positioned themselves to be the main companies in the future for AI. which by the way just seems to be integrating itself into human life even faster than the internet did. Its here to stay and its not going anywhere...for better or worse. and MS, NVIDIA and google will be the biggest players in that field. Xbox may have failed but lets not forget how big MS are outside of gaming. windows sits in atleast 98% of the desktops in the world, and that OS is certainly being primed for the AI driven future we are all heading into.

 

[Bojanglez]

That whole "100M consoles sold" going to be a thing of the past as gen Z comes of age, and gen alpha become the new target audience. they are not interested in consoles.They are not intrested in owning any form of physical media, in fact thats an old fashioned idea to them. if its not COD, fortnight or some othe pick up and play GAAS game, they can play on a tablet, forget about it. people under 25 are not really buying consoles anymore. and in japan mobile gaming has been king for sometime, unless you are nintendo.

Is there evidence for this? Anecdotally I see most of my children's friends owning consoles (granted bought for them by parents), although they also play on mobile and tablets too. I would be genuinely interested to see the actual numbers for this though. I imagine it has just flatlined and growth elsewhere may make it seem like relatively it is shrinking maybe.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

I already mentioned this to you before. Sony has complete dominance in PS1 and PS2. And Xbox has not been a competition since 2013. Overall Xbox negatively influenced Playstation with paying to play online, putting first party exclusives on PC and live service push.

Yeah, Microsoft forced Sony to charge for online. They could have kept it free like they did in the PS3 era. But they decided to charge. Poor sony! Forced! LOL


Sony forced the PC launches on themselves, by spending hundreds of millions on games for a console, that primarily europeans buy to play soccer. They need the money to fund more of their walk em ups.

Nintendo can keep their shit exclusive, because they make cheap tablets, and charge AAA prices for AA games (budget wise).

 

[DenchDeckard]

This again? Your obsession with my avatar is starting to get worrying. And it may surprise you, but PC players also use Game Pass. It's called PC Game Pass, and there are even PC-exclusives.

The comparison with the PS1 and PS2 doesn't hold, because the market and the role of platforms have changed. Today, it's no longer just about consoles, but about complete digital ecosystems with stores, subscriptions, cloud gaming, and live services, where a dominant provider can exert much greater control over prices, visibility, and accessibility of games than in the '90s and early 2000s.

Back then, the competitive landscape was also different: Sony, Nintendo and Sega were relevant players, and the market was smaller, physically based, and less connected. Today, in the traditional high-end segment, practically only Sony and Microsoft compete directly, while Nintendo deliberately pursues a different approach. If Microsoft were to disappear, there would effectively be only one player left in the core console market, with no meaningful competition. This is not a return to the PS2 era, but rather a one-sided concentration of power in a much larger, more expensive, and more connected market. And such situations almost never benefit customers in the long run.

That user is flipping weird. Where did they come from? It feels like they just popped up out of the wood work over the last few weeks.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

That user is flipping weird. Where did they come from? It feels like they just popped up out of the wood work over the last few weeks.

I keep telling people this site is diet Iconera. I

 

[DenchDeckard]

What do you take issue with now, old man?

That I said "shitty" in front of walled garden or if I said the series X has been doing well in DF comparisons lately?

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Yeah because PS1 and PS2 didn't happen. And then Xbox influenced Sony with paying to play online, PC ports of exclusives and live service push.

$600 was not arrogance though. The OG fat PS3 cost them $840 to manufacture. Remember Xbox 360 had paying to play online but Sony offered online play for free.

Fanboy spotted.

Sony wants you to earn that PlayStation 3!

During a recent interview with Japanese economic website Toyo Keizai, ever-charming Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." In...

www.engadget.com

''During a recent interview with Japanese economic website Toyo Keizai, ever-charming Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

"PlayStation 3, you will see, will be far and away the winner when you look at it by March '08. They really, really will. It's something that is going to be a slow burner, and suddenly it's like a tsunami; it will just overtake you." (David Reeves, 2008)

"I believe that the Sixaxis controller offers game designers and developers far more opportunity for future innovation than rumble ever did. Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature;" (Phil Harrison, 2007)

”With the DS, it's fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen, but I fear that it won't have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that... Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and it's pretty much defined by a boy or girl's ability to admire Pokemon.” – (Phil Harrison, 2005)

”The idea of a handheld rivalry with Nintendo is an irrelevance. Those formats don't appear in our planning. It's not a fair comparison; not fair on them, I should stress." (Phil Harrison, 2007)

"It’s probably too cheap…" (Ken Kutaragi on the $599 PS3, 2007)

"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1200 bucks for it." (Jack Tretton on the PS3 launch, 2007)

"The first five million are going to buy it (PS3), whatever it is, even [if] it didn't have games." (David Reeves on the PS3 launch, 2007)

"Microsoft does not concern us. Microsoft is not a technology company."(Nobuyuki Idei, Sony chief corporate adviser, 2007)

"A bit pricey." (Michael Ephraim, Managing Director of SCEA, on the launch price of the Wii)

"The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC." (Phil Harrison, 2007)

"I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world." (Ken Kutaragi on the design of the PS3, 2005)

"The Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console." (Ken Kutaragi on the design of the competition, 2005)

”Did you see the movie 'The Matrix'? Same interface. Same concept.” (Ken Kutaragi on the online capabilities on the upcoming PS3, 2000)

”[PS3 is] 4D” (Ken Kutaragi, 2006)

“[Nintendo 3DS] is a great babysitting tool" (Jack Tretton, 2011)

"I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but that’s an unrealistic expectation." (Jack Tretton’s thoughts on those who expect backwards compatibility in future PS3s, 2007)

"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after the PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why [Xbox 360] became like that." (Ken Kutaragi explains Microsoft’s lack of ambition with the 360, 2005).

”Xbox is 1.5, the PS is more than what I was expecting, so it's 3.5. That's the difference." (Ken Kutaragi explains the difference between the PS3 and 360, 2005).

”We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] an HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough.” (Ken Kutaragi on why he was hesitant to include a hard drive, 2006)

“[nothing] good has come from the internet, period” (Michael Lynton, Sony PE, 2009)

”some of our competitors, seemingly, are losing the plot” (Jack Buser, head of Sony DP, shortly after the company spent a significant portion of their E3 2012 Press Briefing focussing on the Wonderbook)

”PlayStation brand carries so much cachet with customers. In many ways it’s the most authentic brand in the games industry.” (Jack Buser, head of Sony DP, 2012 )

"the true identities of the infringers need to be determined so that a copyright owner can take appropriate action against them to stop the infringement" (Sony’s lawyers threatening to identify, expose and legally punish all those who distributed the PS3 security key, around the same time that one of their own PR twitter accounts published the key worldwide)

"The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content, and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together." (Phil Harrison on why the PS3 is the only HD console in the market, 2005).

"[Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops." (Jack Tretton, 2007)

“True generation quality only available on PS3" (Kaz Hirai, explaining how the PS3 ascends past Next Gen, 2007

"He certainly likes to make a lot of noise.” (Sir Howard Stringer on the expressed concerns of the leader of one of the biggest third parties in the industry, Bobby Kotick, 2009).

"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry,” (Kaz Hirai, 2009)

"It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor.” (Kaz Hirai, 2009)

”The Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity.” (Kaz Hirai. 2009)

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" (Kaz Hirai. 2009)

”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

”We don’t care”. (Ken Kutaragi provides Sony’s response to the successes of the Wii and 360, 2006)

"[PS3 is] for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one” (Ken Kutaragi, 2005)

 

[adamsapple]

IDC quotes from 2022 using Series X numbers as a comparison doesn't tell us anything.

Portal is an accessory, not a platform. It's not gaining ground on anything with 2 million sold, nor is it in direct competition with consoles. The Quest headset is obviously in completion with other headsets like PSVR2, which it annihilated. Your console warrior gaslighting doesn't on me, Three. Sorry.

I knew I liked you for a reason, Kacho.

 

[Thebonehead]

Nah, AI is here to stay and MS along with Nvidia and google have positioned themselves to be the main companies in the future for AI. which by the way just seems to be integrating itself into human life even faster than the internet did. Its here to stay and its not going anywhere...for better or worse. and MS, NVIDIA and google will be the biggest players in that field. Xbox may have failed but lets not forget how big MS are outside of gaming. windows sits in atleast 98% of the desktops in the world, and that OS is certainly being primed for the AI driven future we are all heading into.

Oh, I agree that it is here to stay.

Just a reference to the warnings from the Bank of England, Goldman Sachs head, Head of the SEC, The IMF, The European Central bank amongst others all warning that the stocks are overvalued compared to the order books. Most are comparing it to the dotcom burst in the early 2000's.

Yes we could all see the Web was the future, just that the valuations were insane based off perpetual order books and growth that dont happen in real life.

 

[Punished Miku]

That user is flipping weird. Where did they come from? It feels like they just popped up out of the wood work over the last few weeks.

I got a few demigod level random as fuck laugh emojis and blocked them. I'm getting pretty good at spotting very quickly if someone is likely to ever write something worth reading ever again for the rest of their life. Answer here is, probably not. I doubt I'm going to miss out on any riveting game commentary there.

 

[Topher]

What do you take issue with now, old man?

That I said "shitty" in front of walled garden or if I said the series X has been doing well in DF comparisons lately?

Honestly I could reply to any random post of yours with that gif and chances are it would be entirely appropriate. Your revelations about PC gaming and "walled gardens" are cute though

 

[Cakeboxer]

That user is flipping weird. Where did they come from? It feels like they just popped up out of the wood work over the last few weeks.

Probably a PlayStation fanatic who got banned earlier this year and is now using a backup account. But honestly, I don't care. It doesn't matter who did what or where. What matters is being able to have a discussion with people TODAY. I always try. Sometimes it makes sense, but in this case, it doesn't. So I'm not engaging with this user anymore.

 

[Horseganador]

Xbox gave up on hardware a long time ago and nobody cares what they do in the future anymore. Sony continues with its plans to sell as many PS5s as possible by being aggressive in pricing and marketing. Nintendo is the same; there will always be competition in the market, Xbox fans on forums or Twitter will switch to PC or Nintendo to continue the "console war", as has been happening for months.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Honestly I could reply to any random post of yours with that gif and chances are it would be entirely appropriate. Your revelations about PC gaming and "walled gardens" are cute though

Appropriate in your opinion, the Sony guys and others such as Witchilich - good company that!

 

[Topher]

Appropriate in your opinion, the Sony guys and others such as Witchilich - good company that!

 

[Drell]

Fanboy spotted.

Just check your username moron.

 

[calico]

Sony Ponies pushing Green Rats into the comforting embrace of PCMR

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Just cgeck your username moron.

Here comes the weirdo with a young girl anime pfp. Yikes.


I like the Xbox 360. Is there a problem? I own a PC and PS5. And play on both. I just cant stand PS fanboys.

 

[RickMasters]

Is there evidence for this? Anecdotally I see most of my children's friends owning consoles (granted bought for them by parents), although they also play on mobile and tablets too. I would be genuinely interested to see the actual numbers for this though. I imagine it has just flatlined and growth elsewhere may make it seem like relatively it is shrinking maybe.

The information is out there. all sorts of studies have been done on it and they all pretty much come to the same conclusions. but heres a few from just a google search on the topic, if you're interested:

https://gamesbeat.com/zbd-gen-z-gamer-study/

GenZ & Gaming - Who's Playing What? — Lab42 Research Insights

Earlier this year, Lab42 conducted internal quantitative research to glean deep insights into the GenZ Generation (13-22 year olds), and how this generation compares and contrasts to Millennials (23-34 year olds), GenX (35-54 year olds) and Baby Boomers (55+ year olds). You can check out our earlier

www.lab42.com

Gen Alpha and Gen Z Gamers: How They Engage with Games - Udonis

Click here to learn about the behaviors and interests of Gen Alpha and Gen Z gamers, the two youngest generations of gamers.

www.blog.udonis.co

Right now if you asked the average kid to choose between a a new game or currency to buy battle passes and skins for a fortnight/Roblox/COD....they are not choosing a new game. I wouldnt be surprised if that also plays a role in the constanmt decline of AAA game sales too. its one thing that some of thagames release in a broken state, but the kids are not buying them anymore. even among my many nephews and neices.....only two of them have a switch. the rest are playing games on ipads and samsung tablets. one has a laptop with the intent of building his own rig so I guess theres hope for them yet! but as a whole I think all of us over 35s are the last of the traditional console gamers.


consoles will become as niche as graphics cards soon, and the spiraling prices of them are not helping either. in a world where a kid just needs a tablet to do everything from playing their types of games to just scrolling tik tok for viral vids....where does a static box under A TV they barely watch fit into their gaming futures?

 

[Topher]

Sony Ponies pushing Green Rats into the comforting embrace of PCMR

Strange days

 

[Jetpac]

You mean the PS2 era? The era everyone loved to bits?

Same PS2 era that had (Dreamcast in the beginning) Gamecube and Xbox… So choice?

Oh ok.

Tell us again how uninformed you are.

 

[RickMasters]

You forgot a little detail - twice the price


Usual suspects, former Xbox fans now hard apologets for PC
PC growing roughly at the same place as consoles, it doesn't really gaining any ground despite Xbox demise

Mobile gaming...the REAL breadwinner in the future of the games industry. PC gaming is already kind of niche and I expect consoles to follow suite soon. maybe thats why next gen consoles might just be more powerful and more expensive than before. they will be toys for hardcore 35+ year old gamers with expendable income for 800+ dollar boxes. basically for us. thats just my theory on next gen, but as a whole I feel like as consoles get more expensive, that makes tablets and other low cost gaming devices more viable for the sub 500 dollar mass market.

 

[Steve Holt]

So many people are struggling to cope with Xbox's position now. Like the poster you quoted.

It's created a weird space where the users who would defend all things Xbox, now saying PC gaming is being attacked by "Sony fans/guys" when in reality in this forum at least, I don't think anyone cares imo.

Sony may or not release more games to PC. That's been a discussion and talking point for years, so not exactly new and certainly not under an orchestrated attack. Strange times.

 

[adamsapple]

Sony Ponies pushing Green Rats into the comforting embrace of PCMR

It's cause they'll be joining soon too.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Same PS2 era that had (Dreamcast in the beginning) Gamecube and Xbox… So choice?

Oh ok.

Tell us again how u informed you are.

Are you kidding me?

By 2003 both GameCube and Dreamcast were dead already

Xbox came out so late in the Gen they were forced to jump-start the following Gen in 2005

LOL

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

So many people are struggling to cope with Xbox's position now. Like the poster you quoted.

It's created a weird space where the users who would defend all things Xbox, now saying PC gaming is being attacked by "Sony fans/guys" when in reality in this forum at least, I don't think anyone cares imo.

Sony may or not release more games to PC. That's been a discussion and talking point for years, so not exactly new and certainly not under an orchestrated attack. Strange times.

Or more like, Sony fanatics have moved their ire from Xbox to PC. Now that Xbox is on the way out.

 

[Punished Miku]

Sony Ponies pushing Green Rats into the comforting embrace of PCMR

Only thing Sony pushed me to do is stop gaming on PS5 exclusively after about a year. It is nice they put most of their stuff on PC though.

MS gets some of the credit for transitioning users to PC from Xbox. I never would have considered it in previous gens, but they've laid out the groundwork for a smooth transition. Switched a lot of their users to digital only this gen. Investing in Play Anywhere, and making Windows UI resemble Xbox. Investing in a custom chip for BC on PC. No one else is coming close to what they're doing to create a smooth console to PC transition. PC in general, and all 3rd parties also get the credit. Everything is on PC now, including a lot of niche Japanese games. No 3rd party publisher is likely to ever skip PC ever again.

 

[Steve Holt]

Only thing Sony pushed me to do is stop gaming on PS5 exclusively after about a year. It is nice they put most of their stuff on PC though.

MS gets some of the credit for transitioning users to PC from Xbox. I never would have considered it in previous gens, but they've laid out the groundwork for a smooth transition. Switched a lot of their users to digital only this gen. Investing in Play Anywhere, and making Windows UI resemble Xbox. Investing in a custom chip for BC on PC. No one else is coming close to what they're doing to create a smooth console to PC transition. PC in general, and all 3rd parties also get the credit. Everything is on PC now, including a lot of niche Japanese games.

All the price hikes and U-turns Microsoft have been doing. Making a complete mockery of their platform and user base. Studios shuttered after launching critically acclaimed games, huge titles cancelled. But you still give them credit - that's some uber brand loyalty.

 

[Punished Miku]

All the price hikes and U-turns Microsoft have been doing. Making a complete mockery of their platform and user base. Studios shuttered after launching critically acclaimed games, huge titles cancelled. But you still give them credit - that's some uber brand loyalty.

Alt account. Ban evasion.

 

[Three]

Or more like, Sony fanatics have moved their ire from Xbox to PC. Now that Xbox is on the way out.

man, the delusional takes from you are great. You were just in a thread about a PSN discount trial yesterday where your boy DenchDeckard brought out the old "buy a PC now" out of the blue with you backing him up and you think its the Sony fanatics "moving their ire"?
Be real, you know that's not the reason why PC gets brought up by a lot of ex-xbox folks now.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

man, the delusional takes from you are great. You were just in a thread about a PSN discount trial yesterday where your boy DenchDeckard brought out the old "buy a PC now" out of the blue with you backing him up and you think its the Sony fanatics "moving their ire"?
Be real, you know that's not the reason why PC gets brought up by a lot of ex-xbox folks now.

Yeah, so you're agreeing with me. You moved your Ire to PC, because "Xbots" are moving to PC now. Espcially with the rumored hyrbid Xbox. War never changes.