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The Year Without An Xbox: How will Xbox not putting forth an effort to sell Xbox Series consoles this year affect the gaming industry going forward?
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MisterXDTV
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Steve Holt
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DenchDeckard
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I dont know what you are talking about TGAs? I haven't mentioned anything to do with it? if I said something out of line before and it pissed you off, then i feel bad for that.
I havent had a post warning for as long as I remember, so I cant see how I havent improved as a poster on here?
Anyone thought, that people might be fed up with this antagonising pointless threads, and comments so they comment on how pointless they are....but then a pile on begins. Its the same cycle like I mentioned.
Drell
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Won't comment your first part as you seem to don't know anything beside xbox, but my comment stay true, you're just like these youtubers whose name is something like nintendofan489 or seomthing like this. Don't call people fanboys when your name is littleraly a free advertising for microsoft.
Edit: Oh my god an american flag in the PFP you're a fucking cliché dude.
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Except "ire" is anger and nobody was angry except you and dench trying to start some shit. So no I'm not agreeing with you.
DenchDeckard
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man, the delusional takes from you are great. You were just in a thread about a PSN discount trial yesterday where your boyDenchDeckard brought out the old "buy a PC now" out of the blue with you backing him up and you think its the Sony fanatics "moving their ire"?
Be real, you know that's not the reason why PC gets brought up by a lot of ex-xbox folks now.
I told people to buy PC stuff now because of the pricing and availability issues. I said, "If you are remotely interested in PC hardware buy it now"
If you are not interested in PC hardware, move on and ignore it. Don't get upset with someone trying to help someone else because its a platform that you feel threatened by for some strange reason.
By the way, I stand by it. Nvidia are upping their prices on Boxing Day so brace yourselves. I shout it again. Today is Cyber Monday. Gloves are off after today.
DenchDeckard
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No one started anything, you guys are delusional haha
I cant believe you have nothing to say to the guy who made a thread with 0 data and its others starting shit.
what even is this place....
Steve Holt
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Punished Miku
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Even though you don't deserve it, I was being nice by not reporting any of your trolling. If I'm so dumb, page a mod and ask them to vouch for you. They apparently are pretty good at finding out.
Felessan
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Steam growth isn't PC growth.
Ten years ago Steam had 2-3% of PC market and there were practically no presence of f2p titles, besides Valve own (THE real kings of PC markets). Now Steam is 20-25% of PC market and its top occupied by f2p.
The whole growth of Steam is Steam taking hold of PC market (yet quite a lot of market share still out of its reach -Mihoyo, Fortnite, Roblox, LoL, some Korean/Chinese MMO etc), PC market as a whole didn't grow that much.
Clearly, yes.
I believe more to analysts whom industry trusts than some forum "calculations" those missing a lot of important details.
People do like higher image quality of dedicated home device and ready to pay for it. It's true for all ages.
And paying customers prefer better experience, this is why it's very common that even though mobile have several times more userbase than consoles/PC, latter have higher revenue. And consoles sit at optimum of userbase size X paying capabilities.
If PS6 will be 600$ - it'll be roughly the same inflation adjusted as PS5 and it'll sell a lot of consoles.
PS6 will dominate the console space along with Nintendo. I don't expect the steam machine and Xbox pc to do over 10 million lifetime sales.
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Insanemaelstrom
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See the quoted messages. Also, nice deflection "it pissed you off". Still waiting for proof for Sony paying for its awards or tga getting paid for giving game of the year awards to specific pubs. Surely you have proof after claiming it for around year
In a PSN discount thread where you weren't even responding to somebody but mentioned it out of the blue? Wonder why?
"Help someone"? ok. You really are "helping" the Playstation user by telling them to buy a PC when prices have skyrocketed on PC hardware in a thread about PSN users getting discounts, what a noble good samaritan you are.
Come on, no need to sugarcoat this shit. As
Steve Holt
said: "[Ex-xbox] now saying PC gaming is being attacked by "Sony fans/guys" when in reality in this forum at least, I don't think anyone cares imo."nobody cares to be upset it's just you fighting the war on a new front line and trying to "threaten" them with something that's not a failure like xbox. I have a 5090 PC already and a lot of other PS users don't care about your random marketing in PSN threads.
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Yes you were:
and you're both trying it again now. Nobody cares.
Because the guy is very likely right. I was in this thread providing said limited data. What do you want me to say to OnQ exactly?
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dragonyeuw
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Yeah, that's why I say 'as long as' and I'm sure the companies realize too they maybe have one more generation of that at best. At the very least, consoles as we've always known them to be. But nobody really knows what trends will be around in a decade either, so I shy away from too many broad proclamations. But yes, anecdotally I know a few Gen Z/Alphas well enough to observe their gaming patterns and none of them give a shit about the current consoles. In particular my stepson has been into PC gaming for the better part of a decade( he's 27) and I have a 7 year nephew who had a Switch but is basically all Minecraft/Fortnite/Roblox now on a tablet because all his peers are on those games.
DenchDeckard
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The entire thread is a troll thread, what are you talking about?
and out comes another Alt. You guys are you guys. You know who you are.
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Punished Miku
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Can't imagine what he was banned for the first time
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calico
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Xbox 360 slim
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You do free advertising for sony, europoor. If my name was playstation 2 slim, you'd be fine with it. God forbid my name is my favorite console. The crime being it was made by Xbox! The horror.
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DenchDeckard
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Can't imagine what he was banned for the first time
I can't believe they act the way they do, when they're the ones that have been banned. Just constant pile on's, pointing the finger, screaming fan boy nonsense and calling others fan boys.
I think the thread should be locked tbh. O onQ123 comes in with some nonsensical hopes and dreams post without any data at all then just throws the grenade and scarpers. Pure trolling at its finest.
Punished Miku
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Pretty much.
Xbox 360 slim
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These guys all have main accounts on iconera.
DenchDeckard
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So you think the company that has gone full multiplatform and is consistently selling titles that are in Sony, Nintendo, MS, Steams top ten selling games is not expanding their userbase?
You guys are actually delusional.
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"Moderated Wildly" as a tag because you had a meltdown when mods punished you for fanboy trolling talking about "they're the ones" getting banned? If by they you're including me, let me tell you now I've not been banned once. Unlike yourself.
What the fuck are you talking about? As a third party publisher sure but what has this got to do with the premise of the thread asking what will happen to the industry now that xbox is not trying to push Xbox Series sales for a year?
Are you trying to show me the light at the end of the tunnel for MS because that's what you care about?
RickMasters
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I dont think most people are grasping it either. I do see a market for valves steambox beyond its traditional userbase with the steambox. really just depends on price. Next xbox will come in multiple form factors and specs, as it becomes more PC agnostic. which I think is both a good way for them to sort of bow out of the traditional console space while also transitioning the Xbox users and their library of games to this more PC agnostic approach, without losing that userbase because they still need GP subscribers and the best way to keep the 30-something million subs is to make it as easy for them to migrate to next gen xbox-Pc as possible.
we know steams offerings are handheld, console and steam frame (VR)
MS approach seems it will be a closed console, a hybrid, reference chipsets for prebuilds to be used by OEMs and DIY builds, ally X and cloud. with magnus based chipsets being the common demonitaor among all of them. I think thats the best way for them to go.
new formfactors, GASS and mobile gaming becoming the breadwinners and the meat and potatoes that supports the industry...cloud gaming may finally come of age. personally Ill always prefer running my games natively on hardware, but maybe future generations dont care about that kind of thing, younger generations of gamers dont care right now, and they are the future of this biz. we certainly are hheading into a wild west era of sorts atleast on the PC gaming side as it becomes viable as an alternative to traditional consoles in the living room while bring PC funtionality with it, in sleeker form factors.
but for sure nintendo and sony will ride the traditional models wheels until they all off. but i think nintendo will be the very last as long as they have that 'toy' appeal but even that will get challenging with newer generations of kids who more than likely experience their first games on a tablet these days. Sony I think will be a in a trickier situation by the end of PS6 life cycle. I just dont see consoles selling 100M units with newer gen gamers being the dominant consumers and spenders on games on form factors that are not consoles. Even sony and nintendo will eventually have to go where the dollars are.
Unknown?
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And if they had no unexpected competition, PS3 would never have lost its backwards compatibility, still run Linux, and have a better software lineup. PS4 would never have had paid online and likely would have had better hardware to boot.
Even during their blunder, they kept pumping out exclusives, not the same could be said about Xbox with the One and Series.
RickMasters
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mine too. spent most of sunday playing the Toaplan arcade shmup collections, along side system shock, messed around on some random GPU downloads and a dash of FH5. Sucks that the console aint selling ganbusters but aslong as they keep giving me a reason to turn on the console (new games and my insane backlog) Im good. all the same...I do love a good bit of console-war banter. its all fun and games away from the fun and games!
simpatico
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You think PS6 will be slower than the 5 Pro? How will Sony message that? Or will Sony be willing to take a $100+ loss on every unit sold? We don't have to just throw darts in the dark, whatever APU they want to put in the PS6 mostly exists today. With memory prices being where they are, it would be impossible for Sony to rebadge the PS5 Pro as PS6, slap a disc drive on it and sell it for $600. Let alone put together a more powerful system with more memory.
Then the casual PS5 owners are going to wonder why they have to buy a new machine to play the new COD or 2K when they're available on Switch 2. They know their old EOL PS5 is faster than that Switch 2.
Drell
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lol I've never possessed any Sony console except a PSP for emulation, I'm the first for trashing PS1 for its graphics, if you want to label me anything call me Nintendo fanboy. The only difference with you is that I'm not naming myself Nintendo Gamecube or something cringy like this on top of putting japanese flag next to it.
DenchDeckard
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the industry is chugging a long just fine without MS consoles. Theres no sign of any issues. MS just isn't interested anymore this gen.
Felessan
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Pro sold for profit
I expect PS6 chip to be slightly more expensive than PS5Pro and ~100$ more expensive than PS5. And Sony will eat a small loss like it did with PS5, so final price will be around 600$ for digital.
Chip woes are temporary and we are still 2 years away from next gen launch.
PS5 sold 85+m with most games available on PS4
PS6 will be selling for the same reason - games look and play better on new hardware
RickMasters
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yeah a bit like hifi audiophiles ( I also happen to be one of those) we became the niche when MP3 players became the norm and impressive tower stack hifis became a relic of the past at the expense of modern convenience. these kids nowadays dont care that much for image quality. name me one AAA game that is swaying people away from roblox (which looks crude) and fortnite (which looks like a generic saturday morning CG cartoon) with its hyper detailed graphics and physics? 'High end' is interchangable with 'niche' to the stockholders of these gaming companies.
And even with inflation adjustments aside, I dont think many people out there will be shelling out 600+ bucks for consoles in a few years like they were for 299 dollar xbox 360s and PS3s back in the 2000s/2010s...its a difefrent market today and even 5 years from now than it was 10 of 15 years ago. and given the cost, scale and resources reqired to make AAA games these days im surprised that model has not collapsed on itself already. The old business model wont last much longer. shit..even as moores law catches up on us and tablets get ever more capable of running games at 60FPS with HD resolutions...thats enough for the average casual gamer. and when the casuals stop looking at the console as the first choice for gaming, well...that 100M users on one console just seems unrealistic in the future. switch 2 or/and PS5 will be the last consoles to do that. those same casuals that make those numbers up will all be playing their yearly fifas, CODs, and fortnights on cheaper hardware and they wont care if the consoles show a few more blades of grass. they will only care that they can play the games that actually do play and spend money on run on something cheaper and it looks pretty much the same to them. because they had no interest in buying some bloated AAA open world experience anyway. they take up too much time and they would rather just play fifa or fortnight with their mates in the car or just slouching on the couch with some slop on the TV in the background. they dont even need a console for that right now, let alone in a few years time.
Steve Holt
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WIth your history of trolling and warnings i'm really surprised you can't spot the shit posting you and others are doing in this thread. Everything you seem to post is Us Vs Them. That mentality is non-stop with you, it can't be healthy.
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PropellerEar
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It will speed up the death of Xbox as console and brand.
Effects on industry is more lay-offs at Xbox and their studios.
Effects on industry is more lay-offs at Xbox and their studios.
6502
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What dimension did you jump in from? By 2003 Gamecube hadnt been out in the EU for 12 months, it had games until 2007. The sales were subpar, but it was far from dead 1 year in....
Bojanglez
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Yes, this is also my anecdotal evidence, other than EAFC most of them just play Roblox, Fortnite and Rocket League and would rather have Robux and V-Bucks.The information is out there. all sorts of studies have been done on it and they all pretty much come to the same conclusions. but heres a few from just a google search on the topic, if you're interested:
GenZ & Gaming - Who's Playing What? — Lab42 Research Insights
Earlier this year, Lab42 conducted internal quantitative research to glean deep insights into the GenZ Generation (13-22 year olds), and how this generation compares and contrasts to Millennials (23-34 year olds), GenX (35-54 year olds) and Baby Boomers (55+ year olds). You can check out our earlierwww.lab42.com
Gen Alpha and Gen Z Gamers: How They Engage with Games - Udonis
Click here to learn about the behaviors and interests of Gen Alpha and Gen Z gamers, the two youngest generations of gamers.www.blog.udonis.co
Right now if you asked the average kid to choose between a a new game or currency to buy battle passes and skins for a fortnight/Roblox/COD....they are not choosing a new game. I wouldnt be surprised if that also plays a role in the constanmt decline of AAA game sales too. its one thing that some of thagames release in a broken state, but the kids are not buying them anymore. even among my many nephews and neices.....only two of them have a switch. the rest are playing games on ipads and samsung tablets. one has a laptop with the intent of building his own rig so I guess theres hope for them yet! but as a whole I think all of us over 35s are the last of the traditional console gamers.
consoles will become as niche as graphics cards soon, and the spiraling prices of them are not helping either. in a world where a kid just needs a tablet to do everything from playing their types of games to just scrolling tik tok for viral vids....where does a static box under A TV they barely watch fit into their gaming futures?
I have no doubt that gaming in general is going down the F2P and GaaS model more and more, but these articles don't indicate a decline in absolute console sales for this demographic. It may suggest a downward shift in usage as a % of a bigger total as people have new options.
Fess
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I think Steam and controller focused PC gaming in the living room is going to open a lot of eyes. It certainly has for me. And there are 30 million or so Xbox gamers who realistically aren't all moving to desktop PCs. I expect both boxes to sell well but can't predict lifetime sales.
