Austria is Eastern Europe now?
April U.S. Primaries |OT| Vote in 20 Turns for World Leader
- Thread starter dramatis
- Start date
- Status
Austria is Eastern Europe now?
I hope he succeeds. So that when he loses in a landslide despite that 'support' I can get a second helping of schadenfreude. Voting for the leader of a country based not on policy (to which Bernie and Trump are diametrically opposed) but on sore loser fueled nonsense is deserving of mockery.
excelsiorlef
Member
Ahhh my bad.
Butts-a-plenty
Banned
He didn't ever stand a chance. He was always going to lose because of demographics. Go back and look at threads in the fall where people were getting chewed out because they said he had no chance based off demographics. The fact that he's done better than expected doesn't mean that he had a chance.
perfectchaos007
Member
eh, be careful what you wish for. Bernie support + Trump's existing support > Hillary's support
googleplex
Member
He never did stand a chance.
Abinash117
Member
I see only a few of them going to Trump. He isn't the populist the same way has Bernie is. Most of Bernie supporters will go to Hillary, including the vast majority of the young ones. Next will simply not vote, and the small number will go to Trump.
Smokey_Run
Member
Is the Sanders campaign statement about running an issues based campaign from here out new news? CNN was just reading it. Sounds like he's giving up on trying to get the nomination and just wants to see it out while keeping his platform in the spotlight.
excelsiorlef
Member
He's now going to get wholescale the entire Bernie demographic Jesus.
jack_package_200
Banned
Judging by states he has won and lost, its a safe assumption that white liberals are his major demographic.
Here is a Bernie rally in Baltimore, a city with a massive population of those of African descent.
Prodigal Son
Member
Just generalize, guys. It's cool. You're totally not undermining the voice of the plentiful exceptions to your oversimplified generalization.
Bernie doing better with white people? Just call Bernie supporters white people. It's just statistics, guys.
Bernie doing better with white people? Just call Bernie supporters white people. It's just statistics, guys.
Box of Kittens
Banned
I'm sure Trump will get some of the disaffected anti-establishment Sanders supporters, but he won't get nearly enough to win the election.
Dangansona
Member
I don't see why if he wasn't expected to do well people would say he had a chance.
And also at some point it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Nope. I'm sure some think that though. So let them lay down their bets. He wouldn't get all of them, just the extremists, and they don't number enough to turn that tide.
The Young Turks have already signed off for tonight?
I didn't get off work until 10:30, and I was hoping for my daily dose of salt.
You missed it. Tonight was the best it has EVER been. They went full on meltdown mode. They even vowed to spend Hillarys entire tenure in the white house ATTACKING her. They literally said that. Then they had a guest on that tried to talk a little sense into them and it ended in fireworks. They cussed their guest out for like 5 minutes.
Full on meltdown.
InsaneZero
Member
Personally, I don't expect them to vote if they're so anti-establishment that they'll go for anyone that rails against it regardless of their actual platform.
I wouldn't really force those people to vote against their will either, since nobody should really be coerced into doing what they don't want. People will vote if there's something important to them at stake, since it's not like acting indignant on the internet is going to make any actual difference.
Well, if we completely remove all minority voters from America then sure. Which I guess was the plan to begin with?
Don't believe the Sanders people that say they will vote for Trump or the Cruz/Kasich people who claim they are #NeverTrump. The very partisan people will eventually fall in line and find ways to rationalize the choice of their party.
Especially with an open seat on the Supreme Court on the line.
As always, the presidential election will come down to demographics, turnout and Independents. Clinton has the advantage in all 3 categories and I suspect she will ultimately
win the election like 54-46 %.
Don't expect a Barry Goldwater-style complete blowout, but it will probably not be super close either.
Especially with an open seat on the Supreme Court on the line.
As always, the presidential election will come down to demographics, turnout and Independents. Clinton has the advantage in all 3 categories and I suspect she will ultimately
win the election like 54-46 %.
Don't expect a Barry Goldwater-style complete blowout, but it will probably not be super close either.
The overwhelming majority are... Not really sure what point you're making here. Those are facts.
The Young Turks have already signed off for tonight?
I didn't get off work until 10:30, and I was hoping for my daily dose of salt.
It was actually incredibly sad, they were diablosing and yelling over their guest. Jimmy D suggested Trump might be less conservative than Clinton.
sturgboski
Member
How did they react to the news that Hilary could lost every single contest that is left and Bernie still couldnt catch up?
googleplex
Member
Sorry, but we actual Liberals are particularly fond of our Facts, and Maths. Facts and a dispassionate digestion of data has been our only weapons against the right wing fringe that has been trying to turn this county into a conservative shit hole for over 30 years.
All data points to Bernie supporters being overwhelmingly Young, white and liberal. This is not a judgment or an indictment. Just a statement of fact.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Saying Bernie failed to attract minorities and that his base is vastly a singular dominate demographic isn't really a generalization. Being concerned that he has failed to attract a statistically relevant amount of minorities in a party that now depends on minorities, also doesn't seem out of line.
Sure some people may be talking in generalizations, but yeah, numbers don't really lie. Sure of course there are minorities for Bernie. It's just not enough to matter for the purposes of his campaign.
excelsiorlef
Member
Nah he didn't go that far, he called them both fascists though and said since he;s a white guy who doesn't have Muslim friends or family, or Hispanic friends or family that he's down for Trump winning and hurting a bunch of people because it'll accelerate the rise of the Sanders movement (no it won't but that's not the point)
The highlight though was the lady saying that she's tired of talking about social issues and that she kinda hopes all social services get cut because Americans have been too complacent about having those services and deserve to lose them because they aren't voting Sanders.
That was fucking beautiful.
Well that an the Obama isn't progressive hing.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
The only person who ever actually said all Sanders supporters are white is you.
I don't know if it's the right assumption to make but I feel like a lot of the young voters in the #BernieorBust group aren't even aware of the open seat and the repercussions that come with a Republican filling it.
TYT suggested that 8 years of Clinton could be worse than 4 years of trump, implying that they could beat him in 2020 as opposed to primarying Clinton.
Dangansona
Member
Surely they don't think Bernie has another election in him.
excelsiorlef
Member
Oh right, missed that part.
They also want to primary Clinton in 2020 lol.
Nah they mean the the next Sanders..........who will be...... yep no idea, Rosario Dawson maybe lol?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Fucking ridiculous. They're willing to throw the Supreme Court for ANOTHER generation.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I'm willing to say pretty much for sure, yeah, that's absolutely the case.
In general most people, even outside of that group, are much too oblivious to how the Supreme Court works, and to its significance.
Prodigal Son
Member
That's all I'm addressing. You guys here, as 'liberals' deal with facts. The fact is that Bernie supporters (and the supporters for every single candidate) don't fit cleanly into your boxes of white or minority.
Guy crushes her in Hawaii and you can still argue he has a minority problem? He isn't doing as well with AA specifically because he's running against Hillary fucking Clinton. He continues to do fairly alright with muslim, arab , latinos and Indian Americans voters yet we continue to see dismissive claims about his connection with minority voters. AAs are a larger minority population. They're not the only minority population.
Uh, yeah? That's part of the reason why he's losing dude. Doing 'alright' with others doesn't really change that.
Dangansona
Member
To be fair that would be pretty sick.
InsaneZero
Member
The states that have gone to Obama in 2012 and voted Bernie this primary so far are Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado, and Washington. That's 72 electoral votes.
Trump's clear path to victory is to just flip all of these states! YEAH!
Trump's clear path to victory is to just flip all of these states! YEAH!
excelsiorlef
Member
Could you fucking imagine Rosario fucking Dawson primarying Hillary Clinton, it'd be embarrassing and hilarious but also kill the 2020 election for the Dems
Man, they really lost their fucking mind.
This is embarrassing.
As someone who has supported Bernie, but am coming around to the thought of voting for Hillary (and not feeling 100% uneasy about it); it's crap like this that makes me realize why some people didn't want to vote for Bernie because of the bad apples in his supporters.
It sucks having the person you thought would do the best get beaten soundly. It's another to where after the people on the same side of things get arrogant and belittle/mock people based on those beliefs and take enjoyment of their disappointment and sadness. Sure TYT is way out there, but to lump everyone else together is kind of shitty. Especially after the mocking comes "Well you're on our side now or you're even more of a shitty person. Now kiss the ring like a good little soldier."
Realize that people put their heart into the campaign and sometimes for some people it manifests in anger and irrational decisions after the battle. Let it cool down and it will be fine, but if you keep kicking someone when they are down don't be surprised if they don't all flock back. I liked what Hillary said tonight, but her rabid supporters are in here doing the opposite of what she said (and have been for a while now).
TLDR; reach out and say good game, don't sit and rub salt in fresh wounds.
Prodigal Son
Member
He does poorly specifically with African Americans, like I've said (and quite obviously) because his opponent is Hillary Clinton.
How do you woo over African American voters from Hillary Clinton?
Yet that doesn't matter because Bernie supporters are just white people.
Dangansona
Member
The whole thing was a scream from start to finish. I hope it was archived because I want to relive the magic.
GoldenEye 007
Member
And a GOP person won Hawaii in the primary. I'm sure there are blacks and latinos and Pacific Islanders that vote GOP. The fact is that when talking about politics, statistics matter. Hawaii ultimately doesn't move the needle when addressing the overall narrative of this primary race. It takes looking at the whole picture that even if Bernie has some modest support among minorities - some potentially more than others, it is nowhere near enough to carry him. Hence this race being over at this point and him staying in just to make a point.
Fact is, there are just many more AA and Latinos in this country than other groups. So him not having their support weighs much more heavily then him having the support of Pacific Islanders or other groups.
Box of Kittens
Banned
Hey, Vermont's gone Republican in 33 of the last 40 presidential elections. Trump has that one in the bag.
My biggest hope for the general is that Hillary emphasizes the importance of having a democrat fill the vacancy as the alternative basically throws the court into republican control again and for another two decades and can impede and overturn a lot of the progress the #BoB group claims to fight for.
Ah. I've followed TYT off and on over the years, missed the primary challenge of Obama. They've been critical of him for a long time, but in the end I think most of their people supported him.
That makes sense. And it seems like the same root cause, of frustration that millions of Americans can't see what's so obvious to them (TYT and the right both). I generally agree with TYT, and I love that they are unabashedly progressive, but their coverage of the Democratic primary has been fucking terrible. They should have just accepted the state of things.
I don't think it helps that every time they threaten to "burn it all down" by voting Trump, that many of us mention the SC justice immediately. If someone is in the mood to be defiant, hearing that same thing off of the cuff (regardless of its truth) can lead to them tuning it out.
Doesn't mean that we should stop pointing it out; but I was young once too, so I could see how having something thrown at you like that might get old. It just so happens that this 'tired ol' argument' happens to be a very large and important part of shaping our country for the next few decades so......
Prodigal Son
Member
I appreciate your explanation about why support with AA and latino voters is critical but not only do I already understand that but it really doesn't relate to the point I was making.
My point is that black and non-black minority voters have a voice. To dismiss them as just white people because of the statistical majority is incredibly insensitive. If someone says they feel their vote is being suppressed, you don't fucking dismiss their claim because 'since when are white liberals suppressed.' That's fucked.
So by my calculations (may be off), Trump is set to get
Connecticut - 24/28 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Delaware - 16/16 Winner takes all
Maryland - 38/38 seemingly won all districts above 50%
Rhode Island - 15/19 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Pennsylvania - Wins all the 17/17 statewide, the other 54 tbd.
So he wins 110/118. Massive. He was originally predicted to get 74.
Connecticut - 24/28 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Delaware - 16/16 Winner takes all
Maryland - 38/38 seemingly won all districts above 50%
Rhode Island - 15/19 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Pennsylvania - Wins all the 17/17 statewide, the other 54 tbd.
So he wins 110/118. Massive. He was originally predicted to get 74.
excelsiorlef
Member
They called him the following tonight: an establishment hack, not a progressive and a disaster for the country.
- Status