Upgrade to Windows 10?

Skenzin said:
Win10 is a good OS. Sometimes it can act junky, but it scales to modern hardware very well. My largest gripe is the continuation of 2 control panels and the orginization of what is under each. That's a mess and comes off as low rent Linux distro like. But otherwise just accept your software-as-a-service future. Nothing you can do about it anyway.
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The 2 control panels are a bummer, but I feel like they exist to satisfy where they want to go with the modern simplified one, and the classic one for the users that didn't like where 8 went with the Tablet-focused start menu.

I do think that will improve, and Ballmer being gone has probably helped the most.
 
There is an annoying issue where if you have the taskbar set to auto-hide it takes much, much longer to go to the desktop after logging in from startup than when auto-hide is disabled. Last I checked a couple months ago, it seems it was a known issue and is waiting to be fixed, but has anyone heard of the status?
 
I don't get why I can't upgrade.

I downloaded updates for Windows 7 and after restart the Windows 10 icon appeared in my taskbar. Every time I've ran that it preps for a bit and then opens the updates menu for Windows 7. I updated and the process repeats.

I've downloaded the x64 installer manually so I'm going to see if that works. My computer's relatively recent so I don't see why it wouldn't be compatible.
 
So I turned on my computer today to find that it had automatically upgraded to 10 without my consent. I had always closed out the upgrade box, but today that didn't seem to matter.

Best way to roll back or at least turn off the sketchy stuff? I noted that during setup I said not to use Cortana, but then there's the box right on the desktop. Now I'm wondering what other things I chose have been ignored.
 
ag-my001 said:
So I turned on my computer today to find that it had automatically upgraded to 10 without my consent. I had always closed out the upgrade box, but today that didn't seem to matter.

Best way to roll back or at least turn off the sketchy stuff? I noted that during setup I said not to use Cortana, but then there's the box right on the desktop. Now I'm wondering what other things I chose have been ignored.
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that's pretty silly. Welcome to Windows 10 I guess.
Disabling Cortana doesn't disable search, which is why the search bar is visible. You can hide the search bar by right-clicking the taskbar.
For most sketchy stuff, just dig through the privacy settings. There are a couple of other things here and there but I don't remember the details.
 
ag-my001 said:
So I turned on my computer today to find that it had automatically upgraded to 10 without my consent. I had always closed out the upgrade box, but today that didn't seem to matter.

Best way to roll back or at least turn off the sketchy stuff? I noted that during setup I said not to use Cortana, but then there's the box right on the desktop. Now I'm wondering what other things I chose have been ignored.
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If you're going to stick with 10, my favorite program is O&O ShutUp 10. It allows you to disable most of the telemetry data functions, along with other miscellaneous privacy concerns.

If you're reverting to Windows 7, you'll need to do so and then uninstall (and then hide) certain updates so that W10 won't reinstall itself.
 
Wow. You'd think some of these Windows apps and some part of this Windows 10 interface would work with the Xbox One controller, but apparently none of it does, just some Windows Store games. If true, that's a huge missed opportunity for using Windows 10 on an HTPC like I am.
 
This was probably answered elsewhere, so someone please direct me where. (It also might just be a stupid question, I'm not sure)

I have an old laptop (almost 7 years) and it never even got drivers for Win8 so it's obviously not going to get them for Win10 (although I did check). I'm not super knowledgeable about what drivers actually do on a programming level, but my experience is that when upgrading to a new OS it tends to act super buggy and freeze a lot until the correct drivers are installed (that was my experience with Vista to 7 anyway). Does anyone have experience using Win10 without proper driver support, especially on older hardware?

As someone mentioned the windows update manager is getting more and more pushy and I think I might just cancel my free upgrade altogether unless it turns out the driver issue isn't as big a deal as I think it is. (Only reason I didn't before was because I wanted to transfer the licence to a new computer, but I doubt I'll get one this year)
 
ZoronMaro said:
This was probably answered elsewhere, so someone please direct me where. (It also might just be a stupid question, I'm not sure)

I have an old laptop (almost 7 years) and it never even got drivers for Win8 so it's obviously not going to get them for Win10 (although I did check). I'm not super knowledgeable about what drivers actually do on a programming level, but my experience is that when upgrading to a new OS it tends to act super buggy and freeze a lot until the correct drivers are installed (that was my experience with Vista to 7 anyway). Does anyone have experience using Win10 without proper driver support, especially on older hardware?

As someone mentioned the windows update manager is getting more and more pushy and I think I might just cancel my free upgrade altogether unless it turns out the driver issue isn't as big a deal as I think it is. (Only reason I didn't before was because I wanted to transfer the licence to a new computer, but I doubt I'll get one this year)
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I have a Core 2 Quad machine with 2009 Intel SATA drivers under Windows 10. Runs fine. Windows 10 is now generally good at finding the right drivers automatically
 
I've been really happy with the upgrade so far. Everything is stable, smart and user friendly.

I only use my PC for browsing/movies/gaming
 
Back then when I upgraded to Win10 from Win8.1, I experienced constant stuttering/audio loops. People suggested to do a fresh install, so I did. Bought a SSD, fresh install on an USB stick. Well the audio loop freezes on CS:GO and stuttering on Diablo 3 did not completely die but definitely there are improvements.

Yesterday I tried playing Guild Wars 2 without changing any of the video settings, the game constantly reboots my PC. Until I changed the video preset to "Perfomance" the game stop rebooting, but now I have to play GW2 with ugly ass graphics in this amazing OS.
 
DonMigs85 said:
I have a Core 2 Quad machine with 2009 Intel SATA drivers under Windows 10. Runs fine. Windows 10 is now generally good at finding the right drivers automatically
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That's reassuring thanks, maybe I'll let it install next time. If it doesn't run well there's a way to revert back to my old OS (Win7) right?
 
Wait, is it true that the Windows 10 free upgrade is stuck to the device you performed it on? I thought you'd get a W10 license on your Microsoft account which you can then use to log in on a different/new PC and install Windows 10 there. Did they reveal if they plan to just make it free permanent this summer, once the one year free upgrade thing is done?
 
etta said:
Wait, is it true that the Windows 10 free upgrade is stuck to the device you performed it on?
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Yes. It's tied to the motherboard, I think. You'll need to do the free upgrade on each device before the end date unless they change their minds. If your mobo dies or something they have been good in the past in allowing you to re-activate but that used to require calling them. If they just put the license on the account for any PC people would abuse the hell out of it and install it on every PC from now on. Their goal is to get people to switch now instead of later, not to give them free Win10 for life.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
Yes. It's tied to the motherboard, I think. You'll need to do the free upgrade on each device before the end date unless they change their minds. If your mobo dies or something they have been good in the past in allowing you to re-activate but that used to require calling them. If they just put the license on the account for any PC people would abuse the hell out of it and install it on every PC from now on. Their goal is to get people to switch now instead of later, not to give them free Win10 for life.
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It better not cost the ridiculous $200 when it launches, then. No fucking way they can charge that once they gave it away for free, even if it was for a limited time. And Apple's OS X is now free, too, and was only $19-$29 a couple of years ago.
Sigh.
 
etta said:
It better not cost the ridiculous $200 when it launches, then. No fucking way they can charge that once they gave it away for free for a limited time. And Apple's OS X is now free, too, and was $19-$29 a couple of years ago.
Sigh.
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Apple makes it's money from selling hardware (Macs, iPads, iPhones, etc.), so the loss of income from their OS software is inconsequential. Apple intends OS X to only run on Apple hardware which is marked up for great profit.

Microsoft is primarily a software and services company. Most devices running Windows are not manufactured or sold by Microsoft, so they charge for their software in order to make money with it. So you either pay extra for the hardware or extra for the software.

Windows 10 Home is already being sold for $99 at NewEgg for those who don't qualify for the free upgrade. I don't think that's outrageous. If a person qualified for the free upgrade and didn't take it during the promotional period, then they either didn't want it or they only have themselves to blame.
 
etta said:
It better not cost the ridiculous $200 when it launches, then. No fucking way they can charge that once they gave it away for free, even if it was for a limited time. And Apple's OS X is now free, too, and was only $19-$29 a couple of years ago.
Sigh.
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I would gladly pay them $200 for Win10 if that would stop them from trying to turn the PC into a Mac.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
Apple makes it's money from selling hardware (Macs, iPads, iPhones, etc.), so the loss of income from their OS software is inconsequential. Apple intends OS X to only run on Apple hardware which is marked up for great profit.

Microsoft is primarily a software and services company. Most devices running Windows are not manufactured or sold by Microsoft, so they charge for their software in order to make money with it. So you either pay extra for the hardware or extra for the software.

Windows 10 Home is already being sold for $99 at NewEgg for those who don't qualify for the free upgrade. I don't think that's outrageous. If a person qualified for the free upgrade and didn't take it during the promotional period, then they either didn't want it or they only have themselves to blame.
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I know the situations are different but Microsoft makes most of their Windows money from corporate license and as OEM license, not personal licenses. In either case, I don't think people would love the idea of having to shell out so much for W10.

As for the bolded, I'm talking about upgrading/switching the PC. I think they should have tied your W10 upgrade to your Microsoft account so that when you get a new PC you don't have to buy W10 since you already upgraded to it for free, albeit on a different device.
 
So I have reverted back to W7 again. I just always find some sort of annoyance in W10, like my blu ray program not working anymore (not supported by the devs anymore either, my fault I suppose?), also some games seem to take longer to initially load? Doesn't make any sense to me but SMITE takes about 10 seconds longer to load initially. It has done this to me on 2 clean W10 installs and 1 W10 upgrade. WoW seems to have some strange loading patterns and stutters too on W10.

I sort of hope DX12 doesn't become standard.

Not to mention if you stick with the 'free' upgrade your Retail Copy of Windows 7 basically becomes an OEM key. I've had my retail copy of W7 for a while, it's been through 3 systems. If I stick with W10 that's it. I will basically have to buy a new copy if something ever happened.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/...-after-29-july-2016-if-i-need-change-hardware

^Is where I've been reading about this at. Hopefully, even though I took the upgrade (and reverted) I'll still be able to transfer W7 to a new device when I want.
 
drotahorror said:
So I have reverted back to W7 again. I just always find some sort of annoyance in W10, like my blu ray program not working anymore (not supported by the devs anymore either, my fault I suppose?), also some games seem to take longer to initially load? Doesn't make any sense to me but SMITE takes about 10 seconds longer to load initially. It has done this to me on 2 clean W10 installs and 1 W10 upgrade. WoW seems to have some strange loading patterns and stutters too on W10.

I sort of hope DX12 doesn't become standard.

Not to mention if you stick with the 'free' upgrade your Retail Copy of Windows 7 basically becomes an OEM key. I've had my retail copy of W7 for a while, it's been through 3 systems. If I stick with W10 that's it. I will basically have to buy a new copy if something ever happened.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/...-after-29-july-2016-if-i-need-change-hardware

^Is where I've been reading about this at. Hopefully, even though I took the upgrade (and reverted) I'll still be able to transfer W7 to a new device when I want.
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What a selfish man, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Many of us have no real issues, maybe you should back up and do a clean install. You remind me of people who stubbornly stuck with Windows 98 even after XP Service Pack 1 came out.
 
DonMigs85 said:
What a selfish man, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Many of us have no real issues, maybe you should back up and do a clean install. You remind me of people who stubbornly stuck with Windows 98 even after XP Service Pack 1 came out.
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Told you already I've done 2 clean installs. If DX12 is standard and DX11 is supported, then that's fine for me obviously. Making that statement, and thinking the world revolves around me is a bit of a stretch. One of the reasons I said that is something I read in some random article - http://www.pcgamesn.com/reality-check-what-developers-really-think-of-directx-12 Something about how developers have to do a bit of extra work to implement DX12 because of it's console-like api. Something that's not a big deal to massive development teams but to smaller devs it might be.


I might buy a copy of windows 10 but I'm not giving up my license for windows 7 in the process.

FYI I hopped on the Windows 7 train on day 1. I'm sorry that W10 has issues with me. I'm sorry I've reinstalled shit 3x (maybe 4?) and still have issues. I have a list of shit to do for W10 only every time I've formatted, little quirks that are stupid to have to deal with like blurry text on everything if you increase the DPI scaling in windows. Really not gonna get into it and I shouldn't have to defend myself against you.
 
There must be some obscure hardware bug or incompatibility in your system since my friend also upgraded a Core i3 Ivy Bridge desktop and even an old Core 2 Quad system without any issues.
Admittedly though, DX12 games out right now are a bit unstable and prone to random crashes.
 
DonMigs85 said:
What a selfish man, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Many of us have no real issues, maybe you should back up and do a clean install. You remind me of people who stubbornly stuck with Windows 98 even after XP Service Pack 1 came out.
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Nothing selfish about it - we have perfectly viable alternative in Vulkan for dx12 that doesn't force people to install most controversial windows system ever created. And as a bonus it also works (or will work) on non windows systems.
 
michaelius said:
Nothing selfish about it - we have perfectly viable alternative in Vulkan for dx12 that doesn't force people to install most controversial windows system ever created. And as a bonus it also works (or will work) on non windows systems.
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Won't Vulkan run better on Win10 though because of WDDM 2.0?
 
I think if it comes down to straight up needing windows10 I'll buy a copy and dual boot. Forgot all about that. Getting pretty hype to build a new PC and that vulkan api sounds great but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't catch on.
 
drotahorror said:
I think if it comes down to straight up needing windows10 I'll buy a copy and dual boot. Forgot all about that. Getting pretty hype to build a new PC and that vulkan api sounds great but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't catch on.
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If only Apple used it instead of Metal it would've stood a better chance. For now we have to count on it taking off on Android, which could take years.
 
Man, I read some of these horror stories and wonder if I'm using the same OS as everyone else. [looks] Yep, Windows 10. Thing's run great for me since the early days of the free upgrade. Some security and other tweaks to plug the holes the internet screams about, and things have been fine. No weird resets, BSODs, etc. Forza 6 Apex ran impressively last night... rock-solid 60fps @ 1440p Ultra, 980 Ti.
 
Tenacious-D said:
So it won't benefit? What about this, though?
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Vulkan isn't using WDDM for anything, it's using the Window System Integration (WSI) abstraction layer for window creation and that's pretty much all its integration into any specific platform. The chain is application - Vulkan loader - Vulkan driver. The driver itself is OS specific obviously but I doubt that any IHV would use an OS driver model for it as it kinda destroys the point of giving the control to the application here and links the driver to OS specifics which is what Vulkan is trying to avoid to be multiplatform.

As for what you've linked - I have no idea what he's talking about. Maybe Mantle did use portions of Windows driver and maybe that's why it never made it to any platform but Windows? Just a guess. This isn't applicable to Vulkan though AFAIK.
 
dr_rus said:
Vulkan isn't using WDDM for anything, it's using the Window System Integration (WSI) abstraction layer for window creation and that's pretty much all its integration into any specific platform. The chain is application - Vulkan loader - Vulkan driver. The driver itself is OS specific obviously but I doubt that any IHV would use an OS driver model for it as it kinda destroys the point of giving the control to the application here and links the driver to OS specifics which is what Vulkan is trying to avoid to be multiplatform.

As for what you've linked - I have no idea what he's talking about. Maybe Mantle did use portions of Windows driver and maybe that's why it never made it to any platform but Windows? Just a guess. This isn't applicable to Vulkan though AFAIK.
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Thanks for the in-depth reply. :)
 
DonMigs85 said:
The GPU driver memory management, it would seem
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Hmm, WDDM 2.0 added support for GPU virtual memory and driver residency but it's not an "improvement" or "side effect", that's a new feature of the 2.0 driver model needed for DX12. Vulkan driver must implement that feature on any platform it is running on by itself as without it the API won't work. So it wouldn't be possible to implement Vulkan driver on Win7-8 if it relied on GPU memory management features provided by the WDDM 2.0. At least that's how I see it.
 
Did another clean install a couple of weeks back. Everything was great until that damn Start Menu disappearing issue happened to me, again. Same problem that caused me to revert to Windows 7 last time. This time, at least I can do a new local account and not have to do a reinstall.

That start menu issue is by far the worst bug I have ever seen in a Windows product. Even Microsoft can't fix the damn thing.
 
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