I can't believe anyone is actually making this plan.
This is stupider than "Ha! Good, man"'s usual articles.
TPM: Vitriol from Sanders' campaign coming from the top
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I can't believe anyone is actually making this plan.
This is stupider than "Ha! Good, man"'s usual articles.
Aaron Strife
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It's sooooooo weird when people say things like this. Hillary was generally to Obama's left in the senate and in her time as his SoS. She was still receiving Wall St. dollars then too. People generally perceive Obama as being far more left than he really is and Hillary as being far more right. In practice they've been pretty much the same.
Any other judgment is made entirely on perceived personality. I say perceived because man, no one knows any of these fucking people.
soundahfekz
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You're always going to have a small contingent of people who are extreme beyond reason (I.e. Hillaryis44). Obama/Hillary was much closer than this race and once the writing was clearly on the wall, she knew what time it was. Bernie needs to man up and wrap this shit up, or at least make his platform about pushing policy rather than trying to attack the inevitable nominee and the DNC.
Bernie is soiling a large amount of young voters by playing this game. Whatever apathy that they have to the process going forward rests squarely on his shoulders.
Not by mine account initially, but I still voted for him twice.
Maybe as a gay dude of a certain age it's easier for me to see past the less than perfect aspects of Clinton and Sanders (as I've always had to choose the lesser of two evils every presidential election in my lifetime), but I wish more people could see that either of these candidates will do the job and not resort to thinking that one or the other is some people of cartoon villain that just happens to have very similar stances on a broad range of topics.
EDIT: I would vote for "Second Term / Give No Fucks" Obama again in a heartbeat.
The dems have been fucking up in local politics and nationally, and that goes beyond just presidential stuff. This isn't just liberal vs conservative rich vs poor bernie vs hillary, there are fundamental issues, and I'm not going to blame Bernie because he's not the source. DLC Democrats however...
I see the argument for 'lets sew this up' over 'hey we have real problems here'. I see it. But I also get the other side too.
hydragonwarrior
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I'm sure it's more like from his campaign managers, who in turn are converting Bernie into a Bernie bro. That might sound crazy but campaign managers can eventually influence the thoughts of who they're representing if they're close.
The point is that he can't win the Democratic nomination now and clearly that's not stopping him.
BreezyLimbo
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If Bernie ran 3rd party
Whats the worst that could happen?
Whats the worst that could happen?
he manages to steal enough votes from hillary to make trump president. nobody manages to get to 270 electoral votes and the republican congress gets to elect the new president. bernie running as an independent would make him a republican hero.
Fenderputty
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Are you asking this in sincerity?
people thinking he had a shot.
I wouldn't want him if he was victorious via a coalition of unhappy democrat and republican voters either. that kind of revolution is borne on poison wind and won't do me any good. who could trust him?
GrantDaNasty
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I don't have anything against Bernie, he seems like a nice enough guy, but it just seems like he won't be able to get the nomination.
Apparently having a thought like this is being a drone and part of "HillaryGAF", but I dunno, I'm not exactly sure how many kids Hillary eats every 15 minutes and how many evil dictators she has tea with every tuesday...seems there's a real concerted effort to paint Hillary like some fucking monster which honestly seems real weird.
Again, I don't fully understand what she's done to earn this ire, but this is the voting process, short of a national revolt I'm not sure there's much that can be done, especially regarding this election.
Apparently having a thought like this is being a drone and part of "HillaryGAF", but I dunno, I'm not exactly sure how many kids Hillary eats every 15 minutes and how many evil dictators she has tea with every tuesday...seems there's a real concerted effort to paint Hillary like some fucking monster which honestly seems real weird.
Again, I don't fully understand what she's done to earn this ire, but this is the voting process, short of a national revolt I'm not sure there's much that can be done, especially regarding this election.
soundahfekz
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The Running Man, tonight on CBS.
UltimaPooh
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I%ve got a source that says Trump secretly is a pretty nice dude and is big into charity work.
Trump can be a callous asshole but there's people who really like the guy in private, worked for him and everything.
I think if he released his tax we could see if he's big on charity.
Don't assume that what you see on TV is the people the way they are in private.
From what I can gather from what the media reported Sanders is the least likable person currently running with Clinton as a close second and Trump being a rather brash dude you could have a beer with if a bit too arrogant.
bender
What time is it?
It's probably a "where there is smoke, there is fire" mentality related to all of the Clinton scandals over the years.
thestopsign
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I've never gotten the feeling that Trump would be someone to "grab a beer with".
This seems creepily accurate... my god
"And who loves you, and who do you love!?"
"Donald Trump!"
"One more time!"
"Donald Trump!"
"YES!"
DeadlyVirus
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Yep, seems like another bullshit article from Correct the Record
The Technomancer
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...if TPM is part of the conspiracy than literally everyone is part of the conspiracy
DeadlyVirus
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Of course he is, how many greens card has he given to russian women? ;P
Except all that smoke is bellowing out off the ass of the political opposition. The media is then happy to cover the he said she said, as that's showcasing "both sides".
It's extreemly cynical, but it works wonders to bring down favoritiblity numbers. And it's been done to the Clinton's since the 90s almost nonstop.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Bingo. Come on guys, I was a goddamn kid when all of this started and its still been obvious to me as I've grown up just how much the Republicans hate her and how much they've tried for decades to get anything to stick
Starting to regret ever supporting Sanders now. He should've dropped two months ago when his path to victory was closed and campaigned for Clinton to strengthen her campaign, or at least last month after his string of losses.
Instead he chose to go down in flames and became a living meme. Shame.
Instead he chose to go down in flames and became a living meme. Shame.
LegendofLex
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This hasn't stopped past third-party runs, or Bernie's current bid for the nomination.
What it usually does is stops someone in the two-party race from winning.
The thing I don't understand about all the 'Correct the Record' hysteria is that Sanders 'grassroots' Reddit movement is run by a paid for media consultancy, Revoltion Messaging. How come it's okay for Sanders to have a paid for media company pretending to be a grassroots activist organization, but it's not okay for a Hillary PAC to do stuff?
One guess.
whyamihere
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Elizabeth Warren is establishment
Planned Parenthood is establishment
Barney Frank is establishment
Dolores Huerta is establishment
Emilys List is establishment
John Lewis is establishment
TPM is establishment
Planned Parenthood is establishment
Barney Frank is establishment
Dolores Huerta is establishment
Emilys List is establishment
John Lewis is establishment
TPM is establishment
Tranqueris
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I wouldn't try to logic it at this point. Just hold on for dear life for the next 19 days.
SolicitorPirate
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That's been the entire dynamic of this primary. Sanders behaving like a politician is him being principled and honest, whereas Clinton behaving like a politician is her being cynical and untrustworthy
excelsiorlef
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Trump wins, and btw that's not just the worst that's basically the guaranteed outcome.
Revolution Messaging has done a much better job of it.
Bel Marduk
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Yup. He would win at least 60% of the popular vote. I'd canvass for him in a second.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
No, it's not sarcastic based on his post history.
Michael F. Assbender
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I'm just shocked Sanders still hasn't condemned the chair throwing and other bullshit from Nevada. Instead, he's giving speeches where he continues to push his supporters against the Democratic Party and says nothing to discourage splitting up the Party while they chant "Bernie or Bust."
His actions make it hard to believe that he cares at all for this country. It seems like he's only interested in his own fame and potential for power.
His actions make it hard to believe that he cares at all for this country. It seems like he's only interested in his own fame and potential for power.
excelsiorlef
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Which is funny given that the accusation against Clinton is that she's power hungry, and in it for herself.
Nevermind the amazing work she did the both Obama and the party during the 08 election. I have no doubt that if Sanders had won the nomination Clinton would be there to help him.
jack_package_200
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Bel Marduk
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This author wrote three hit pieces on Bernie yesterday. I don't know if its part of Correct the Record but once the Clinton campaign started paying astroturfers, they wandered dangerously into Putin territory.
ambition is only evil if it's a woman having it.
eBay Huckster
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"Josh Marshall dislikes Sanders, ergo he must be a CTR shill" says a supporter of a candidate with a much more egregious astroturfing operation
Of course she would. Hillary is intensely invested in the party. Bernie is a new member.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Sanders campaign manager: "No one had a right to feel threatened" regarding Nevada.
https://twitter.com/AlanKestrel750/status/733050417089794048
https://twitter.com/AlanKestrel750/status/733050417089794048
I don't see a problem with that coming from Bernie himself. Is he wrong? He isn't. If you want to be naive and everything, sure go ahead and believe the Democratic party is full of people caring about the average american and not about the people who puts money in their bank accounts. Or full of people who will put aside their personal interests and "obligations"/favors to work for the average joe.
Aside from that, even the way the election works with super delegates is absurd and complete detriment of what democracy is all about. Even Obama has said in public that the current political system in USA is broken, ffs. The way the congressional seats are distruted, etc.
The system is in fact rigged, but not just to fuck Bernie, is rigged to prevent people who doesn't want to play by the "rules" imposed by the people with the biggest pockets in the country.
Grow up a bit with this "Hillary vs Bernie", it goes way beyond that.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Super delegates didn't decide this race, and I'm certainly glad they exist so we never end up with nominee Alan Grayson or Lyndon Larouche. It was the Republican's biggest mistake and now they have Trump. Also, if they're so bad, why is the guy who essentially created them working for Sanders?
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