Dash_Riprock
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Jesus Fucking Christ.
He had one job. ONE fucking job. Just say "we all condemned it" and stop there.
Just Stop.
Then he adds in "BUT..." and spouts more wink-wink "they kinda deserved it" dog-whistle bullshit.
TPM: Vitriol from Sanders' campaign coming from the top
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Jesus Fucking Christ.
He had one job. ONE fucking job. Just say "we all condemned it" and stop there.
Just Stop.
Then he adds in "BUT..." and spouts more wink-wink "they kinda deserved it" dog-whistle bullshit.
jack_package_200
Banned
Its not fucking rigged. She won more pledged delegates then he did. Simple as that. Its not her fault that he ran an amateur hour campaign and didn't bother to campaign in the south or to right off people of color as low information voters.
Or Bernie Sanders
Or Bernie Sanders
You know who says everyone is the enemy unless they think like us?
Cults
eBay Huckster
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yeah while we're on the subject of "absurd and complete detriments of what democracy is all about"
let's just exclude the net 144 pledged delegates Sanders has gained from caucuses, which are objectively the most absurd and non-democratic process in the entire primary system
let's just exclude the net 144 pledged delegates Sanders has gained from caucuses, which are objectively the most absurd and non-democratic process in the entire primary system
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/st...tions-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
This is a great piece from politifact. Really happy someone did the leg work on this.
This is a great piece from politifact. Really happy someone did the leg work on this.
I'm thinking that's what the real message is, given the volume of time they spend on it vs the condemnations.
Dash_Riprock
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Its obviously a hit piece.
Complaints about superdelegates ring extremely hollow to me. As far as I can tell, they have said they'd vote with the popular vote and historically it has worked that way. There's nothing undemocratic about it.
The problem is, of course, that the popular vote is also with Clinton. By a wide margin.
The problem is, of course, that the popular vote is also with Clinton. By a wide margin.
The system has actually helped Bernie quite a bit. Without caucuses and without the momentum narrative that comes with a spread out primary schedule, Bernie would be completely sunk.
Someone tell DWS that her stupid rigged system isn't working!
The revolution begins!!...eh, if we remember to show up.
Someone tell DWS that her stupid rigged system isn't working!
The revolution begins!!...eh, if we remember to show up.
Most human beings. Including most in this or any political thread.
Puppet Shadow
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Over the last few days I've noticed a lot of members here on gaf saying they were big supporters of Sanders in the past, but have now changed their opinion. I don't think you give 'most' people enough credit for using their ability to change their mind.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, it's come in waves from each dumpster fire Sanders starts.
I started this primary cycle hoping for a good discussion on liberal issues and having a neutral to neutral good opinion of sanders. It's devolved into me despising Sanders.
excelsiorlef
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Oh it absolutely was, his response literally was all about how Roberta Lange, called only The Chair in the press release, was directly responsible for Sanders losing delegates, it outright accuses her of stealing votes and fraud. His response to Lange getting deaths threats and harassment was to literally accuse her of election fraud. You'd literally believe Lange had 64 Sanders delegates turned away unjustly and thus cost him the win, though what the release doesn't say is that only 8 of those 64 actually showed up to the convention (and none of them had proper registration or identification or whatever) the other 56 didn't show up to the convention, which means even if those 8 had been admitted he still lost. But why be honet when you can claim she had 64 delegates denied and cost Sanders the election, might as well have said she deserved it.
Everything he accused her of is also all total bullshit.
RustyNails
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Those folks always realized that election is more than just your guy, and they see a bloviating blowhard on the other side and realize it's not wise to fight within ourselves. The diehard folks were never serious about the process and majority never paid much attention to politics anyway.
Didn't say people can't change their mind, although most people are averse to that too. This entire thread is filled to the brim with people on both sides saying that other people who have opposing views are the enemy. It's human nature.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Is it ok to like Bernie Sanders as an idea but not a reality?
Also - if i hear too many more people non-ironically throw some type of support or another behind Trump as a kind of poo onto Hillary's head or what not ... i just don't ... i just don't know what i'll do. I've lost decent work-friends over this shit. I hate election years.
Also - if i hear too many more people non-ironically throw some type of support or another behind Trump as a kind of poo onto Hillary's head or what not ... i just don't ... i just don't know what i'll do. I've lost decent work-friends over this shit. I hate election years.
GrantDaNasty
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It might be human nature, but it's also uncivilized and profoundly stupid. I would hope people could come to their senses and realize this level of tribalism in any topic, culture or discussion is ridiculous.
Politics is no different.
Puppet Shadow
Member
I did that online poll thing that tells you what candidate you most align with, and I think I had Bernie at 92% and Hillary at 86%. But if was eligible to vote (I'm Canadian) I'd vote for Hillary because I have more faith in her getting things done.
It's politics, compromise is the name of the game. Bernie just doesn't seem to be the type to compromise. I can see that being a plus to some of his supporters, but it doesn't actually get shit done.
Michael F. Assbender
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Exactly the same, except I actually used to really respect the guy. Now I wish he'd just go away.
Yeah, I can't stand those Bernie or Bust people. Must be nice to have no real skin in the game.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Edit: Sorry for double post.
jack_package_200
Banned
EDIT: I responded to quickly
whyamihere
Banned
Polifact is establishment.
Oh wow. I don't even remember that. Mind you, I don't think I paid any attention to any of her supporters back then (and I certainly didn't care whether she kept running or not).
But yes....THIS TIME, a certain party's supporters will destroy the party/country. Because THIS election is the most important of any election ever (think differently during the next one).
Elections certainly bring out the hyperbole.
Tranqueris
Banned
It says something that I know those were made to criticize Bernie or bust people but I'm only, let's say, 70% sure about that.
Every new election is always the most important one. It's the only one you can do anything about.
jack_package_200
Banned
Poe's Law
Basically, "If I can't win, then I'm taking you all down with me."
Jesus... What a mess Bernie turned out to be, I regret supporting him completely. I'm Berned Out. I hope Clinton takes off the kid gloves and completely annihilates him in the coming weeks, I've had enough of this madman and his paranoid rants.
Laughing Banana
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That the Democratic side of the race has turned into such a chaos while the Republican has basically calmed down and focused (with Trump, of all the people in the world, leading the way) is really.............. something else.
PhoncipleBone
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"The intraparty fighting has affected morale, they say, and raised concerns that Mr. Weaver, a longtime Sanders aide who more recently ran a comic book store, was not devoted to achieving Democratic unity."
I don't know why I found this sentence hilarious.
excelsiorlef
Member
Exactly the same, except I actually used to really respect the guy. Now I wish he'd just go away.
Yeah, I can't stand those Bernie or Bust people. Must be nice to have no real skin in the game.
Ether'd! Are there more of these, they're amazing
Like I've said before turns out his "revolution" isn't against the racists, the sexists, the oppressors, it's against the only fucking political party that can stop them.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The close proximity of both of these posts gave me a good laugh. It's like the nytimes wrote a response to MIMIC
BlastProcessing
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If Superdelegates didn't exist and all delegates were awarded proportionally, Clinton would have already won.
If states were winner take all/winner take most like the GOP does, Clinton would have already won. If all contests where open primaries, Clinton would have already won.
She has won more open primaries than Sanders, whose biggest wins have come from Caucuses. The higher the turnout, the better Clinton does, the lower the turnout, the better Sanders does.
Clinton wins the states that look like the Democratic party. The more diverse a state is, the better she does. She has gotten more than 3 million votes more than Sanders. People have broadly responded to her platform. Sanders' platform has reached a smaller slice of the electorate. This is all how this should have gone. How is this rigged again?
What a mess. This is just sad. I can't imagine either party being okay how this is playing out. Obama or someone needs to mediate this.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Remember when all the Bernie people said not to insult Bernie because no matter how bad it got, he would still endorse Hillary in the end if he lost?
Where are those people now?
I'm questioning why I ever bothered to support this guy. He's doing like the opposite of everything I was supporting him for.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Is there any example of a bigger sore loser in politics? I can't think of any recently.
He's gone negative a few times now (like before the NY primary and before Super Tuesday 3) and it demonstrably didn't help him very much, so I don't see how really opening up with the negatives when you're in your worst position yet looks like anything but weakness.
Man, those are great, where are they from?Yeah, I can't stand those Bernie or Bust people. Must be nice to have no real skin in the game.
Bernie fans have already been doxxing female Hillary surrogates, that is nothing new.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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gotta stop the establishment man
Prax
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My key words were "more out there".. Things can always.. escalate.
Though I guess this is more of a downward spiral unless Bernie decides to plug the drain before all these very people turn against him too. (Which some of them are, seeing as a bunch are poised to jump to Trump or Stein or w/e).
Exactly the same, except I actually used to really respect the guy. Now I wish he'd just go away.
Yeah, I can't stand those Bernie or Bust people. Must be nice to have no real skin in the game.
What the fuck is this shit?
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