Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

nded

Member
I have a question regarding background checks and references. If I didn't provide any of them can they still do that?

Well, yeah. They don't need a reference to check for criminal records and verify credentials, they just need your permission to perform the background check.

Unless you're talking about a reference check. In that case, they won't be able to do one if you don't provide contact information, but that probably doesn't make you look very promising to whoever's hiring.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. A lawyer with several years of experience should be able to find some kind of work. It sucks people have to make such drastic lifestyle changes like moving to do what they love.

I'm not moving -- what I want to do is exclusively in D.C. I realize this is adding a degree of difficulty to things, but I refuse to give up.

Yo have you tried doing attorney for hire work. I work on K St for a legal information management support company and we hire attorneys for hire for a nice hourly rate. Also I would apply for these firms Dentons and Wiley Rein. Those two are pretty big and can give you the chance to squeeze in.

Your resume maybe a big reason why you are not getting looks.

My resume is actually top-notch, at least according to those who viewed it. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I've beaten Wiley Rein in commercial litigation, and I know a few of their associates. Thanks for mentioning that name: I'll follow up with one on LinkedIn and see if she'd be willing to grab coffee. I completely forgot about her until you mentioned it, so -- seriously -- thanks!

As far as attorney-for-hire work, I don't do it. I've been taking reserve military tours, which pay way more and count towards my eventual pension, and I've managed to work at some pretty cool places, which allow me to avoid a resume gap.

Anyway, in recent news: rejected this past week by two law firms (interview with one, none with the other), NASA, DoJ (for like the 15th time), and some other places that I find hard to keep track of. I'm making contacts with consulting firms and I'm touching base with some of the professors I know, but man, this game requires such hustle. Just need one break, though.
 

Hylian7

Member
I'm also a software dev in Austin. If you still think its shady, PM me. I can ask some friends who might have experience.

PM'd.

A couple of thoughts:

1. If the glassdoor reviews are generally positive it probably isn't THAT bad. My experience is that, especially in IT, unless they been bought recently or something, glassdoor is a pretty accurate gauge for what to expect.

2. Some tech fields, especially for companies that don't pay that well to start, is super-tight right now. I'm a project manager and a couple of months ago a recruiter reached out to me on Tuesday, we talked on Wednesday, and she referred me to an in-person with the division director for Friday. Didn't get the job but it was kind of shocking.

3. If you aren't sure about the job keeping applying. Who knows, something better may come up while you're ramping up.

I've been several places and work with a ton of devs so if you'd like to chat more in PMs hit me up.

Also PM'd, even if you don't live in Austin, it's possible you might know this company as they are nationwide.

I had a manager in a different department once just hire people based on her gut. She wasn't technical but would ask some background questions and hire people off that. The department was in a hard place at the time so she would just hire anyone that said they had experience.

Problem is, all but one, everyone was shit.

Not to say that happened with you, but this was a fortune 10 company just hiring people without any technical interviews. So it does happen !! :)

We will see, after the second phone call I had with him today, I felt better about it, like it was more legit. Hoping to see that offer letter and background check form tomorrow.
 

numble

Member
As far as attorney-for-hire work, I don't do it. I've been taking reserve military tours, which pay way more and count towards my eventual pension, and I've managed to work at some pretty cool places, which allow me to avoid a resume gap.

Since you can usually schedule things, it doesn't mean you cannot do the things concurrently. It isn't just avoiding a resume gap, but having different legal work in DC. If the reserve military tours is taking you elsewhere, there is no connection to DC. And some people use attorney-for-hire work as a jumping off point.
 

Tethur

Member
Friday I got an invitation for a job interview next week. Today they called to ask me if I actually want this job and really understand what the work entails, and to tell me they'll send me an example of their work product tomorrow, so I could read up. Then they want me to e-mail before next week whether or not I still want the interview or not.

I'm so fucking angry right now.

I know some people who work there and I know they're impressed with my resume but they have three other candidates who have more relevant work experience and could start without any training. If they had any kind of backbone they would've just disinvited me, that would sting less then this passive aggressive dick move.

On the one hand I want to tell them that I'm sorry to learn that they're not as enthusiastic about me as I am about the job (iow to go fuck themselves) on the other I want to ace the interview to show them what they're missing.
 

zeelman

Member
How the heck do I get employers to consider me for employment when I live about an hour from everything? I already drive 40 minutes to work as it is for my part-time job.

I'm applying for these jobs with the intent of moving closer to the job.
 

entremet

Member
How the heck do I get employers to consider me for employment when I live about an hour from everything? I already drive 40 minutes to work as it is for my part-time job.

I'm applying for these jobs with the intent of moving closer to the job.

An one hour commute is that bad. That's a standard commute for most.
 

Jzero

Member
Almost 3 months unemployed. I decided to lower my standards and even the shitty minimum wage places haven't called me in for an interview ;_;
 
Almost 3 months unemployed. I decided to lower my standards and even the shitty minimum wage places haven't called me in for an interview ;_;

Make sure for the lower end jobs that you leave out a degree and things that will over qualify you. What field are you looking for jobs in?
 

Bluemongoose

Neo Member
I pop in and out of this thread since I'm pretty busy doing school and still working.

Just wanted to say, don't give up to those still struggling. Tomorrow is my 1 year at my current job, and I found it randomly on craigslist so you never know, gotta keep trying. Not my dream job but I learned so much and have been developing my skills, even leadership skills which I never knew I had.

A year ago I was stuck doing late shifts at a retail pharmacy chain and struggling to find a job in my field.

That's comforting to hear! I was just applying to loads of stuff on Craigslist. Indeed, Monster, Linkedn have been of no use. I graduated last Summer and thought I would waltz out of my current job within weeks. How DELUSIONAL! My degree means NOTHING!!!!
 
Don't give up. (And while you are out of work, don't lose track of all the great stuff that makes you, you.)

The single most important thing to remember for anyone who has been unemployed longer than four weeks is to be persistent.

Nothing is fair. Nothing is a given.

And, if you want to save yourself needless pain and worry, use this as an opportunity to learn how to get things done quicker.

Hint: If your ratio of talking about/complaining about/thinking about looking for work versus actually bringing your best energy to bear on taking practical steps to finding new work is greater than 1:7, you are doing it wrong.
 
Well, i just had a fun month working at a healthcare organization. I was hired April the 13th and fired yesterday, the last day of my probation period during which they could fire me without any reason or cause. After that period passes i had a contract for a year which would make firing me basically impossible during that time.

I was hired to replace a guy who is going away on a 6 month trip starting this August. They were keen to hire someone early to give plenty of time to get up to speed. The position was to create and manage a shitload of management reports build in Excel (using VBA and SQL). The dude i was supposed to replace is literally the only person in the entire company that knows how the Excel sheet works, and pretty much all income depended on the reports generated by the Excel spreadsheet as its how they reported everything to insurance companies and the government. So, pretty important job all in all.

Unfortunately from the very first day the dude i was supposed to eventually replace was mostly away either due to him taking his remaining time off or because he worked in another office, roughly 100km away from were i worked. I was not expected to go to that other office as the distance would make commute times unreasonable. I saw the person who should teach me everything at most twice a week, the other days he simply wasnt around. So, most of the days i was left to my own, with no one there who was able to help me. I tried my best to make something of my working days, from day 2 i told my manager that hey, the situation was a bit shitty and im left doing some self study and exploring the system. The manager was constantly telling me that everything was fine and she understood it all took time and i was like well ok, i guess it will take a bit longer than i thought but it's fine because clearly thats what they expected.

So, after a few weeks passed i started to feel that i got some understanding of how things worked. I was starting to be able to do some actual work for other people. But suddenly i was let go because 'i wasnt pro-active enough'?? I asked the manager what i should have done differently, and how they expected me to work if the only person who could help me isnt around 4 out of 5 days, but she gave no answer to that except the 'you had to be more pro-active'. So yeah, nice, i was let go without any clear indication of what they had expected me to do.

Back to looking for another job...

It seems pretty clear to me what they wanted from you. They wanted you to learn the spreadsheet, whatever it takes. If the dude isn't showing up in your office you had to pester him on the phone everyday with new questions about stuff you didn't understand. That's just the basics. If you were really behind you were probably expected to pester him on weekends and possibly meet up with him to work on the spreadsheet. Whether that's reasonable or not, probably depends on what you were getting paid, but I'm sure that was their expectation. Maybe they should have spelled it out for you, or it was a test to see how proactive you were, and you failed.

In any case, learn from it and move on.

As for myself after 8 years working at the same place I'm negotiating my exit. In my country you get severance by law on 1 month per year you worked there if you get fired. There's an 11 year cap and there's a cap on the monthly payment. My gross salary is only a little above that cap, so it's essentially close to 8 months gross pay. Since it's a severance payment it's not subject to taxes, which is sweet, plus they have to give you a months notice, which they usually means they just pay you one month's salary so you'll leave right away. Plus I have a lot of vacation days saved up, so that will add up to about another month. If you quit you get nothing.

So I've been wanting to leave for a while, but the severance stuff was stopping me from going. There gonna do some restructuring in my department, which was the perfect opportunity to try to get out. At first they were ok with the idea, then they backed down and now apparently it's going forward again.

So basically I asked to get fired and apparently I'm getting my wish.

Since I didn't know exactly when this was gonna happen I don't have another job lined up. I have a few feelers out, but nothing concrete. I have to admit, I'm both excited and a little scared at the same time. I've been out of the interviewing game for a long time, but my resume is solid and I'm hoping to get a better paying position (mostly the reason I left). The question will be how long it takes me to find it. I'm budgeting about 3 months, hopefully it's sooner than that. I guess we'll see.
 

Jzero

Member
Make sure for the lower end jobs that you leave out a degree and things that will over qualify you. What field are you looking for jobs in?

Entry level IT (Computer repair to be precise)
I have a programming degree but i hate programming with a passion so i got an A+ certification and i'm looking into getting the Network+ and Security+ while i finish my Computer Forensics degree.
 

L.O.R.D

Member
i wish my life and my jobs are stable life like 3DS updates.
For 3 years i can't get stable job in Saudi Arabia,all i get is temporary jobs for $700 with 12 hour daily.
 

msv

Member
Difficult to get a master thesis position in Germany if you're not completely fluent. Don't think it's my qualifications, those should be quite good, and I always pick positions that fit me. It really sucks to hear 'you don't fit the "narrow" qualifications we have set" from a position that fit you to a T, ugh! At least it's desensitizing me to rejections, I guess that's a good thing.
 

numble

Member
Well, i just had a fun month working at a healthcare organization. I was hired April the 13th and fired yesterday, the last day of my probation period during which they could fire me without any reason or cause. After that period passes i had a contract for a year which would make firing me basically impossible during that time.

I was hired to replace a guy who is going away on a 6 month trip starting this August. They were keen to hire someone early to give plenty of time to get up to speed. The position was to create and manage a shitload of management reports build in Excel (using VBA and SQL). The dude i was supposed to replace is literally the only person in the entire company that knows how the Excel sheet works, and pretty much all income depended on the reports generated by the Excel spreadsheet as its how they reported everything to insurance companies and the government. So, pretty important job all in all.

Unfortunately from the very first day the dude i was supposed to eventually replace was mostly away either due to him taking his remaining time off or because he worked in another office, roughly 100km away from were i worked. I was not expected to go to that other office as the distance would make commute times unreasonable. I saw the person who should teach me everything at most twice a week, the other days he simply wasnt around. So, most of the days i was left to my own, with no one there who was able to help me. I tried my best to make something of my working days, from day 2 i told my manager that hey, the situation was a bit shitty and im left doing some self study and exploring the system. The manager was constantly telling me that everything was fine and she understood it all took time and i was like well ok, i guess it will take a bit longer than i thought but it's fine because clearly thats what they expected.

So, after a few weeks passed i started to feel that i got some understanding of how things worked. I was starting to be able to do some actual work for other people. But suddenly i was let go because 'i wasnt pro-active enough'?? I asked the manager what i should have done differently, and how they expected me to work if the only person who could help me isnt around 4 out of 5 days, but she gave no answer to that except the 'you had to be more pro-active'. So yeah, nice, i was let go without any clear indication of what they had expected me to do.

Back to looking for another job...

I will chime in--if he is in another office, they probably expected you to still send e-mails and make phone calls to him about questions you had with the system.
 
Been doing okay with getting interviews and job offers. Waiting to get a call back from the two jobs that I really want, but I'm treating that as if those opportunities aren't there while I'm looking at two offers I go from Amazon to do customer services at home and when I'm not at home, I'll be working at my other part-time job that I currently have.

Kind of torn between the two. One is a permanent part-time job and I can choose my own hours, but hours aren't guaranteed. The other one is full-time with discounts and opportunities for bonuses, but it's temporary. I want that full-time money at the moment, but I don't want it to be temporary and wind up all of a sudden without a job. Have to choose soon.
 

Sapiens

Member
Had an interview for a job that was a big pay and responsibility bump last week. The wait to hear anything has been excruciatingly awful.
 

Skinpop

Member
applying for jobs in programming makes me want to quit society all together. it's insulting to play the algo lottery and having to review first year cs crap that has nothing to do with the job position then being dismissed because I didn't perform like a 0.1% while showing my perfect passionate personality in an unrealistic situation that puts unreasonable pressure on me. And after two phone interviews and a three hour on site examination with whiteboard coding and other nonsense they can't even bother to give me any kind of meaningful feedback on why I failed. I feel this shit is propelling me into depression again and I've lost what is left of my will to work in the industry. I think I'm just gonna code my own stuff and beg people to beshrew my paltry survival with donations instead.
 
applying for jobs in programming makes me want to quit society all together. it's insulting to play the algo lottery and having to review first year cs crap that has nothing to do with the job position then being dismissed because I didn't perform like a 0.1% while showing my perfect passionate personality in an unrealistic situation that puts unreasonable pressure on me. And after two phone interviews and a three hour on site examination with whiteboard coding and other nonsense they can't even bother to give me any kind of meaningful feedback on why I failed. I feel this shit is propelling me into depression again and I've lost what is left of my will to work in the industry. I think I'm just gonna code my own stuff and beg people to beshrew my paltry survival with donations instead.

It really is annoying. The technical interview is either a 'describe your resume' or some intense recursion problem on a whiteboard. It's bullshit.
 
I will chime in--if he is in another office, they probably expected you to still send e-mails and make phone calls to him about questions you had with the system.

I got the actual reason a few days later from the HR person i was in contact with to finalize some things: the guy i was supposed to replace cancelled his trip due to family issues, so he wasnt going to resign after all and they no longer needed me. Why they didnt just come out and say that, i have no idea, but oh well.

I found a few places that offer to train people coming from other industries into junior software engineers in a year time, so im hoping i can qualify for one of those. Best part is, the training is paid for by interested employers. Only thing is you have to work for the employer for at least 2 years, but the way i see it, that would be 2 years of at least some job security so seems fine by me.
 

D3RANG3D

Member
I had a job I applied for call me to ask me if I was interested for the job I was like yes, but apparently I wasn't excited or some trivial bullshit because the guy on the line says can you hold on a second, puts me on hold then I hear the dial tone. This was for a labor position by the way WTF!
 

entremet

Member
I had a job I applied for call me to ask me if I was interested for the job I was like yes, but apparently I wasn't excited or some trivial bullshit because the guy on the line says can you hold on a second, puts me on hold then I hear the dial tone. This was for a labor position by the way WTF!
Many hires, well the majority, are based on likability. Sometimes there's no match. It sucks, but keep on trucking.
 
I had a job I applied for call me to ask me if I was interested for the job I was like yes, but apparently I wasn't excited or some trivial bullshit because the guy on the line says can you hold on a second, puts me on hold then I hear the dial tone. This was for a labor position by the way WTF!

Did you call them back? Its possible there was some kind of emergency or even a phone outage. If you're pissed at them thats fine but always follow up if you want the job.
 
After three months of searching, I'm finally in a good position to be in - I have two jobs that are interested in me. One is in New York, the other in California - the California guys are flying me out to meet the team next week, and the New York guys are discussing my (awesome) 2 hour phone interview deciding whether to fly me out there to meet their team. Unfortunately, this leaves me with a problem.

Here's the problem - both jobs sound great, but I'd rather go with the New York guys (in part due to their amazing hiring process, where they gave a technical take-home programming test that is EXACTLY what I'll be doing on the job!) But California jumped on it faster (very much faster), and I'll be meeting with them early next week. What if they offer me the job that day? Based on their speed so far I wouldn't be surprised. I'd rather work in New York, but the California job is also very much a place I'd like to work if I can't get New York. I definitely don't want to accept the CA job and then later tell them I changed my mind if NY works out - the CA company is searching for someone specific, and accepting the job means they stop looking for people which could set their employee hunt back quite a bit.
 
I'm looking for a second job and one of the places I applied to was Urban Outfitters. The application was more lengthy and involving than my lifeguard job then I had to do a video interview and then a survey and I haven't heard from them in about a week. Should I be worried or assume they're just taking their time/busy? I applied to a few other places and didn't even get a fucking denial back. I have a pretty good resume and years of work experience already.
 

ThisGuy

Member
The position is mine if I want it, even offered housing if I want to move. Waiting on a second offer.

Would it be terrible to accept the first offer, if I don't hear back from the second offer in enough time. Then find out the second offer is much better and take that, leaving the first offer as soon as I get there? I hate the idea of doing that.
 
Had an interview for a job that was a big pay and responsibility bump last week. The wait to hear anything has been excruciatingly awful.

Yea I am in that situation right now lol, at the same time it's scary since I only want to hear one answer and that is the offer. Worse feeling ever.
 

daveo42

Banned
After feeling kind of depressed after the last job fell through (they went with someone who had more financial experience over project management experience), I got a phone interview on Friday with another company that falls closer to my desired career path. I need to go over the specifics of the job again and figure out any questions I might have, though this appears to be a short preliminary interview just to see if they think I'm a good enough match to bring in for an actual interview.

Fingers definitely crossed.
 
I've been waiting to hear if I've gotten a new job that would be life-changing for a few weeks now and it's killing me even though they told me it would be a few weeks.

I am willing the phone to ring.
 
I've been waiting to hear if I've gotten a new job that would be life-changing for a few weeks now and it's killing me even though they told me it would be a few weeks.

I am willing the phone to ring.

One of the worst feelings in the world, waiting to hear a confirmation for a job as your life just sits in limbo and you're completely powerless
 

meowmixer

Neo Member
You really don't realize how scummy people are until you need a job. I drove 3 hours for a 3rd interview at a place that gave me the wrong address. I then immediately called the recruiter and hiring manager and left a message to reschedule, no response from either of them a week later. Tried calling 4 times but they have it set to just go to voicemail. And yes, I am certain the address was wrong.

I'd like to say "well who would want to work with them anyway" but this crap is the norm in job hunting. And when I went into the office trying to find the place some woman there just completely ignored me. I feel like by the time I get a job I will be so bitter on people it will be too late. lol.

BTW company was a subsidiary of MARS called Royal Canin. Avoid them.
 
How the heck do I get employers to consider me for employment when I live about an hour from everything? I already drive 40 minutes to work as it is for my part-time job.

I'm applying for these jobs with the intent of moving closer to the job.

Huh?

My commute is 50 min - ~ 1hr10 min depending on how fucked I-85 is (Atlanta)

I've heard of people who commute 3 hours each way
 

_Nemo

Member
What's a good answer to tell employers when they ask you "Why do you want to leave your current company?" without making them get worried that I might leave them for the same reasons in the future?
 

Jzero

Member
Oh my lawd finally got scheduled for testing for a Technology Assistant position i applied to. Am i supposed to wear my dress clothes to these tests? I've never had to take a test for a job before, This isn't an interview so i'm not sure.
 
What's a good answer to tell employers when they ask you "Why do you want to leave your current company?" without making them get worried that I might leave them for the same reasons in the future?

First what is the reason you want to leave?

Oh my lawd finally got scheduled for testing for a Technology Assistant position i applied to. Am i supposed to wear my dress clothes to these tests? I've never had to take a test for a job before, This isn't an interview so i'm not sure.

When i took a test (designer) I went but I didn't get the feeling that I had to. Do you know the company style and culture?
 

Fox Mulder

Member
I really feel like quitting the job I have because I hate it and want to be done with it. Will probably get fired soon anyways as the manager threatened everyone as he introduced new hires.

Guess I'll be back in the pool either way.
 
Warehousing is so hot right now. I reuploaded my resume to the sites on Monday, and have been getting like 3-4 calls a day since. Low paying, temp jobs with no benefits, I mean, who wouldn't want these? I've been contacted by so many outsourced temp companies it makes my head spin.
 

M.W.

Member
This is taking forever. I had a 3rd interview today with the same company (generally there's only 2 and a phone interview), but today was my third face to face interview. I feel like every interview has been a success. So far this has taken about 3 weeks. Now I won't here on a decision until late next week.

Meanwhile I have other interviews lined up next week "just in case"...I hope I can land this one though.
 

Coolluck

Member
I really feel like quitting the job I have because I hate it and want to be done with it. Will probably get fired soon anyways as the manager threatened everyone as he introduced new hires.

Guess I'll be back in the pool either way.

What a shitty manager. What's going on there?
 

Jzero

Member
I was so worried about what to wear to these pre employment test that i forgot i smoked weed in the past 30 days. I'm so fucked haha

Also i just learned that personality test discriminate against introverts, no wonder i never get interviews from places that have those dumb tests
 
Also i just learned that personality test discriminate against introverts, no wonder i never get interviews from places that have those dumb tests
Yeah, i ran into this a few times. By now i just lie through my teeth on them to make myself seem outgoing and aggressive but still likeable.
 

diaspora

Member
I've got two interviews, one tomorrow IRL and one Saturday over the phone. The former being a QA and client-facing role, the latter being purely development. I'm really gunning for these to go well. Applying willy-nilly on linkedin works, 2 interviews in like 40 applications =\
 

PureYeti

Member
So far I have two interviews this week. Today the company did an open house but I didn't make the cut because my resume haven't met the requirements.

Tomorrow I have a phone interview for another company. Last week I had to do a pre employment assessment which test on my cognitive and personality.
 
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