Art Vandilay
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Just ignore him. I did.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Just ignore him. I did.
Mihalis0013
Neo Member
For reference when is the latest rumored NEO release date? I've heard this fall, next spring and next fall as possibilities.
Ronzilla29
Member
They wouldn't be able to stop people from using other methods like using the edge browser for such things would they? Not related to porn but I often use sites through the browser to use web scrapers and watch movies on my tv just fine and I actually like it better using the X1 since there's less of a conern for malware and viruses etc.
JayWood2010
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PS4 Neo is being made specifically for VR because it wont be that good without it. Im not entirely sure, but Xbox seems to want a bigger leap than a .5 iteration, as Phil Spencer eluded to recently.
The comments were made by chief technical officer (CTO) working in the industry, talking to Edge Magazine in their latest issue. In issue 294, the source states: "PSVR was going to be terrible on a [launch] PS4. It was going to be truly awful. Something a bit more powerful starts to bring VR into range. If you want to deal with crazy requirements for performance in VR, you absolutely have to do this."
Dinky Dino
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Well they'd have to continue what they're doing right now and there's always a chance MS does something retarded that puts people off. Sony has nothing to gain from doing a similar move so that's off the board. So really it's anyone's guess.
I think they see an opportunity to sell new consoles to people that appreciate better graphics while still offering a cheaper option for people that care less about better graphics and because of the x86 architecture they are equipped to do this without breaking compatibility.
This is why PS4 Neo and Scorpio exist
well geez
wonderful103
Member
If you think that way, it might be better to invest into the PC ecosystem.
Sony is more than happy to let its paid for exclusives land on PC (cause it would cost way too much for a full exclusive)
The concept of generations died in late 2013. There are no more generations or generational leaps.
You should actually read that thread. PSVR works exactly as advertised on just the PS4 console.
That isn't to say they are aiming for bigger and better things in the future and long-term support for PSVR, but to say that the Neo was created solely because the original PS4 couldn't handle it is nonsense. It's been demoed to thousands of people worldwide.
PeregrinSe7en
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impressions from gaffers who've had hands on experience and statements from psvr devs mouths tell a different tale my educated friend
Most the rumors about Neo state that its is coming this year.
Some rumors say late September some say it will be announced at TGS or PGS and released soon after but they all say this year.
Plus the fact that from the GB article it said all games like beginning in October must have a Neo patch/version hints its coming this year.
JayWood2010
Member
It can run on OG PS4, and he never said that nor did I? Neo was created specifically for PSVR though, as it is necessary for having a better experience.
If you want to deal with crazy requirements for performance in VR, you absolutely have to do this."
triplestation
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Not only that we also know that any game that's made for the neo has to work with the og ps4. Really getting tired of this argument considering multiple devs who are actually working on psvr games have shot it down numerous times.
JayWood2010
Member
Idk what 1070 can do, but 1080 can do 9.
This is a research chip out of MIT that's using PowerPC cores.
MS may be leveraging the research here for their components, specifically to better manage a multi-core processor.
No way they are going back to PowerPC for this next console though. That chip is not an indication of what will be in the hardware.
All da flops!
Am I right in saying that Sony says the PS3 has 1.8 a Teralops GPU?
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
Does this mean the PS3 is actually more powerful than Xbox One and PS4 is only less than 2% Floppier?
Am I right in saying that Sony says the PS3 has 1.8 a Teralops GPU?
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
Does this mean the PS3 is actually more powerful than Xbox One and PS4 is only less than 2% Floppier?
Ronzilla29
Member
They wouldn't be able to stop people from using other methods like using the edge browser for such things would they? Not related to porn but I often use sites through the browser to use web scrapers and watch movies on my tv just fine and I actually like it better using the X1 since there's less of a conern for malware and viruses etc. It isn't like people can't use browsers on any console and go watch porn if they choose to. So if they allow web browsing with the Oculus on Scorpion which I imagine they would because I'm sure that would be a big deal for some I don't see how they could stop it. How would that relate to uwp apps from the store as well? I'm sure there would be plenty of apps that would give ways of doing so even if it's just media apps like Plex. With tv and one guide I would think there would be some sort of tv viewing functionality where any pay per view or even blue rays would be in play along with Skype. All things I think they would have to support for Occulus that I don't think they could stop people from doing alot of things not just porn. I could be wrong though I have an idea how all these things work but Im far from an expert.
JayWood2010
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TFlops is a universal measurement.
The_Almighty_Swan
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impressions from gaffers who've had hands on experience and statements from psvr devs mouths tell a different tale my educated friend
I've had hands on experience with the PSVR and it works great. At 20 minute intervals mind you but who knows what will happen with long use. Also during my use the graphics weren't totally hashed out but still looked solid. Comparing it to a Rift or Vive though is another thing though. It's definitely a dip in quality compared to those devices
GarthVaderUK
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VR knowledgeable people: If this is capable of supporting Oculus Rift could it potentially support the Vive too?
If MS doesn't have their own horse in the VR race it would be cool to see them opening up to multiple VR options.
If MS doesn't have their own horse in the VR race it would be cool to see them opening up to multiple VR options.
wonderful103
Member
Then call it "AMD GPUs can't reach what they've calculated to be their measurement and is x % less efficient universally"
EvB said:
When you consider that the CPU in the PS3 smokes the Jaguar in floating point performance, the PS3 is actually more powerful than this gen!!111!!
C'mon guys. lol
That's not how it works. Like at all. Neo was not made specifically for VR. It just runs "better" using it.
It is but it's still a theoretical maximum so how useful it is to use these is arguable.
Dinky Dino
Member
Thing is most users will likely be going windows 10 in the future. Why the heck would sony put some of their games on a MS platform and gain nothing?
Though it would have been funny if sony had the manpower to push for games being put on a linux type os so pc users would have switched over. But the manpower needed would be insane and you'd need a company like MS to do it for little gain in the end other than a small possibility of MS losing their OS monopoly.
PeregrinSe7en
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wouldn't be so sure about that:
some devs are more impressed with psvr than those 2 you mentioned
here's one example:
Magicgamer101
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So what happens to the Xbox One? The only reason I weren't to hot on PS4k cause I thought the OG PS4 would get left behind but the power jump isn't that big to be seen as a new generation.
This seems like a whole different jump tbh.
This seems like a whole different jump tbh.
Dude just said he had personal experience and that's where his judgements are coming from. You're going to just say that his personal experience is blatantly wrong because someone on Twitter says differently?
Pathfinder
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It's too early to know exactly what's going to happen to Xbox One. Scorpio hasn't even been announced yet. Maybe at E3 we'll know more.
JayWood2010
Member
From the sounds of it, from rumors earlier of PS4.5 preparing for VR, to the comment today that is the biggest contributing factor to Neo. Not saying its the only reason, but a certainly looks to be the main reason.
Dinky Dino
Member
Scaled down settings likely the same for the neo. Since iterations is happening nothing is out of the question anymore. People are kidding themselves if they think they won't make use of the extra power. Sort of like them saying all games would be 1080p and 60 fps and then as soon as the first 30 fps games came out to push for visuals they all started doing it.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
no wasntt downplaying what he said just saying that these vr devices would be neck and neck in terms of quality. they each have their pros and cons. i just wanted to point out that in no way is psvr an inferior product
wouldn't be so sure about that:
some devs are more impressed with psvr than those 2 you mentioned
here's one example:
Worth noting he is VR experience developer, his whole business revolves around VR.
I think his opinion on what is going to be the largest scale VR launch is likely to be clouded by other factors.
Also, Sony is one of his clients.
Eh?
We've had months of positive feedback from numerous devs, websites and GAF members. PSVR on ps4 is a known quantity.
NEO will run PSVR even better than they already are on the base PS4, but to say that PSVR games don't perform well on ps4 or that NEO is specifically for VR, that's straight up false.
It very well could be.
Precisely. Those tweets read more as marketing than anything else.
Are you an actual developer with PSVR SDK or are you another forum poster who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about? Cause based on your posts, all signs point to the latter.
I think it will take far more then just more power for the Xbox to actually mean a damn in Europe (apart from the UK).
THAT being said.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Our of interest, what kind of visual upgrade will a 6tf system have over a 4tf one?
It depends on the game, the dev, priorities and how much the dev wants to utilize the better hardware. Usually you get more fps and higher resolution, but also things like better distance, higher draw distance or better lod are also in.
Too many variables for this to be an even remotely answerable question.
rokkerkory
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I wonder where this leaves NX however?
If NX is just about a PS4 level, Nintendo has missed the boat again big time.
If NX is just about a PS4 level, Nintendo has missed the boat again big time.
dragonelite
Member
Look at current situation with xbox one vs ps4.
Yes but don't use factual examples of PSVR on ps4, instead....speculate how Neo was designed solely because ps4 is weak and shit for VR.
Much more fun
Yeah, this talk doesn't confirm anything, it's more likely just a coincidence.
It's going to get 180 extra lines of resolution?
I fear for Nintendo & the NX. Seems they did miss the boat once more, in a major way.
E3 is going to be absolutely brutal for them this year too.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all reports so far said 2016 launch? Of course nothing has been confirmed yet, hell Sony has yet to officially announce it.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
So they might have backed themselves up into a corner with Scorpio in terms of just how much of that 2TF advantage they can actually use over Neo.
Like Neo, Scorpio is designed to run base hardware games (Xbox One) so unless they allow developers to make Scorpio exclusive games and/or features, they may look or run no better than Neo games, 6TF or no. So using a multiplatform game like, say, Destiny 2 for example, although they may run on a base console (Xbox One/PS4)at perhaps 900p/30fps, unless they allow something like 4K rendering or exclusive graphic features, Scorpio version will look and run just like the Neo version :1080p/60fps.
It will be interesting to see just how much improvement over XB1 games they allow Scorpio games to have without alienating existing Xbox One customers.
Like Neo, Scorpio is designed to run base hardware games (Xbox One) so unless they allow developers to make Scorpio exclusive games and/or features, they may look or run no better than Neo games, 6TF or no. So using a multiplatform game like, say, Destiny 2 for example, although they may run on a base console (Xbox One/PS4)at perhaps 900p/30fps, unless they allow something like 4K rendering or exclusive graphic features, Scorpio version will look and run just like the Neo version :1080p/60fps.
It will be interesting to see just how much improvement over XB1 games they allow Scorpio games to have without alienating existing Xbox One customers.