[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse

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Corronchilejano said:
Finally had a chance to see it. I was expecting an awful movie but it was ok.

One question though: Why even have Magneto in the movie? I feel he was unnecesary. They could've just added depth to the horsemen, which felt like an afterthought.
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That's my main complaint. So much of the movie was pointless fluff for fanservice.

Mystique, Magneto, Quicksilver, all totally pointless in the scheme of things. They build magneto up but have no real payoff. It just felt like they were in for the sake of being in.

If anything, this movie felt like it was setting up the next one :/

The wolverine scene was pointless (sorta). The mall scene was pointless. Psylocke was pointless. This could have been a 30 minute movie with the same result.
 
georly said:
That's my main complaint. So much of the movie was pointless fluff for fanservice.

Mystique, Magneto, Quicksilver, all totally pointless in the scheme of things. They build magneto up but have no real payoff. It just felt like they were in for the sake of being in.

If anything, this movie felt like it was setting up the next one :/

The wolverine scene was pointless (sorta). The mall scene was pointless. Psylocke was pointless. This could have been a 30 minute movie with the same result.
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Wolverine, Mystique and Storm where set up for future movies. That's it. Little effort was made to incorporate them into the storyline. At least the bunker scene made a bit of sense.

Magneto had no reason being there considering Archangel was there, utterly unused. His comic book character is interesting as a bridge between the systems of men and mutants, why have him as a mere streetfighter?

I disagree that quicksilver had nothing to do in the movie. It was hamfisted sure, but he's the most enjoyable character in this continuity. Whenever he's running, the movie's back to life. It's amazing. I just hope he doesn't become overused, because he's close to that.
 
Corronchilejano said:
Finally had a chance to see it. I was expecting an awful movie but it was ok.

One question though: Why even have Magneto in the movie? I feel he was unnecesary. They could've just added depth to the horsemen, which felt like an afterthought.
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Why?
I'm thinking because his actions will have a direct tie in with the next movie(s) and he was groomed (in a rather sloppy and poorly developed way) for future story lines. That's about all I can think of.
 
Saw it today. Was expecting the worst, but I really enjoyed it. Go figure! A few complaints: Apocalypse was never really very menacing. Just looked like some dude. Should have made him taller. Jubilee did literally nothing. Storm's arc was nonsense, and Sansa and Munn continue to be pretty bad actors. Shame, cause Psylocke is my favorite character. On the other hand, I actually appreciated how schlocky it got at some points. Oscar Isaac was definitely going full ham and cheese. Quicksilver scene redux was fine by me. Not as good as the first time around of course, but ultimately harmless. All the fanservice moments landed pretty well (Weapon X
even with those jorts
, Phoenix, Mr. Sinister tease)

End of the day, I'm happy with it, but my dreams for a great Psylocke movie go unfulfilled.

Now for the customary post-new-release Mahvel ranking update I guess.


  1. X2
  2. Guardians of the Galaxy
  3. Iron Man 3
  4. DoFP
  5. Spider-Man 2
  6. Ant-Man
  7. Deadpool
  8. Iron Man
  9. Avengers
  10. Winter Soldier
  11. First Class = Apocalypse
  12. Civil War
  13. The Wolverine
  14. Avengers: Age of Ultron
  15. Blade
  16. X1
  17. Captain America: The First Avenger
  18. Thor
  19. Spider-Man
  20. Blade II
  21. Iron Man 2
  22. Spider-Man 3

  23. The Dark World
  24. The Incredible Hulk (these two could switch, but this is what I'm feeling right now)




  25. The Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie

     
     
  26. Origins/X3/Blade Trinity/the Fox Fantastic Four movies

Yeah, that seems about right.
 
So what's going to happen when all of those nukes get pulled back down to earth by the planet's gravity? Cus that's probably going to happen...I can't believe none of the characters addressed that.

Also why do the X Men allow Magneto to hang with them and rebuild their school after he just killed probably tens of thousands of people? How is that forgiveable?

Also there was no reason for the movie to go to Stryker's facility. It did nothing for the movie except show us that wolverine is a character that exists in this universe.

I loved the last two movies, but this one was kind of a mess...
 
I really liked Havok in this movie. Of course he died.
 
OmniGamer said:
That's...not how it is in the movies at all(as of now)...X3 established that Jean was Class 5 mutant(basically movie-verse version of an Omega level mutant), even as a child. There is no separate entity(so far). It's her innate potential. In the original timeline, Jean developed a split personality to deal with her immense powers, and Xavier placed mental blocks to keep her Phoenix persona repressed. This all turns to shit when her "death" in X2 releases that side of her and Magneto stirs the pot even more. Queue DOFP and the two Xavier's mind-melding, thus learning how this goes down. Keeping Jean "caged", as Wolverine said, was not the way to go.

In this timeline, so far Xavier seems to be encouraging Jean to develop as intended, and so her full potential is coming forth much sooner. No mental blocks, no split personality.

The movies are a lot of things, but so far in regards to Jean it's much closer to the original version than the retcon, and i'm glad of that.
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Yeah this is how I took things. He basically is fixing his mistake in the first timeline.

One thing I wish this movie did was address how Wolverine told them to look for Storm, Scott and Jean. A scene of Xavier talking to Storm while he was captured and realizing who she was would have been great.
 
Corronchilejano said:
They could've just added depth to the horsemen, which felt like an afterthought.
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I wonder if they purposely didn't want it to seem too "civil war".

Although mutants vs mutants has been a pretty common theme throughout the franchise. Even the hero X-Men have their bad days occasionally.
 
Movie was okay, definitely not as bad as I was expecting due to critical response. I still don't think Fox and WB have learnt the true success to Marvel's outings though, that being strong, well-defined characters whom the audience cares for. I didn't really give a shit about anyone in the movie and that was really a problem, you could take most of them out and I wouldn't miss them.

Also, what a fucking cock-tease with them having great uniforms at the very end. I'm assuming we'll get another film with the X-Men as I'd wager they're contracted for a few.
 
So a friend had a theory that the flashes we see of the world burning, etc aren't of what Apoc is trying to do but of what Jean could potentially do if the Dark Phoenix is revealed.

This gives extra meaning to Apoc saying all is revealed. He's finally realised what the flashes he's been seeing mean and the reason Jean sees them when Apoc is awakened is because that sets into motion the chain of events that will eventually lead to D.P emerging.

Thoughts? I thought it was an interesting theory. Maybe a little stretchy at points, but it could work.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
So a friend had a theory that the flashes we see of the world burning, etc aren't of what Apoc is trying to do but of what Jean could potentially do if the Dark Phoenix is revealed.

This gives extra meaning to Apoc saying all is revealed. He's finally realised what the flashes he's been seeing mean and the reason Jean sees them when Apoc is awakened is because that sets into motion the chain of events that will eventually lead to D.P emerging.

Thoughts? I thought it was an interesting theory. Maybe a little stretchy at points, but it could work.
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you and your friend have probably thought about it more than Simon Kinberg has
 
icespide said:
you and your friend have probably thought about it more than Simon Kinberg has
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Hehe.

He's crazy about this movie. keeps looking for hidden/deeper meaning behind certain scenes. Like the cod piece Apoc wears, it holding some of his power. Seems like BS to me, but at the same time, it was a little odd how they lingered on it both at the intro and when he's being disintegrated by Phoenix.
 
So... Magneto kills an ungodly number of people, but he's cool because someone said that he helped take out Apocalypse?

That's some BvS level of absurdity right there.

Other than that, I actually really enjoyed the movie. I kinda agreed with the RLM review... I admit that Civil War was a better film, but for some strange reason I enjoyed this more.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
So a friend had a theory that the flashes we see of the world burning, etc aren't of what Apoc is trying to do but of what Jean could potentially do if the Dark Phoenix is revealed.

This gives extra meaning to Apoc saying all is revealed. He's finally realised what the flashes he's been seeing mean and the reason Jean sees them when Apoc is awakened is because that sets into motion the chain of events that will eventually lead to D.P emerging.

Thoughts? I thought it was an interesting theory. Maybe a little stretchy at points, but it could work.
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Are you talking about Jean's nightmares?

Those were 100% premonitions of the phoenix force, and had nothing to do with Apocalypse.
 
Just to clarify, the timeline has been changed since DoFP, correct? Or is it still mostly the same with minor differences?

Did this Apocalypse stuff happen in the history of the original trilogy?
 
SolVanderlyn said:
Just to clarify, the timeline has been changed since DoFP, correct? Or is it still mostly the same with minor differences?

Did this Apocalypse stuff happen in the history of the original trilogy?
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No. Nightcrawler and Mystique being part of the X-Men and the Phoenix coming out mean this movie didn't happen in OG timeline. It doesn't fit with the events of X2 or X3 at all, minus bald Charles and Wolverine having amnesia.

edit: also in the OG timeline Jean Grey was 'recruited' to the school by Magneto and Charles. There is no point in the new timeline where that could have happened.
 
It does look like weapon X leads directly into x1 but yeah the timeline is changed.

Because now cyclops, Jean and nightcrawler all know each other and they'll have remembered a crazy feral guy with claws.

Rewrites everything. You can imagine they grow up to look like Marsden and Jansen but their history is different
 
That just makes the end of DoFP so much more interesting. Like, every movie afterwards will have to lead up to that moment.
 
What end? This is a two-universes time travel paradigm. Future X Men either actually died or else annihilated their existence by sending Wolverine's consciousness back.

That's a weird part about that DoFP, actually. In the "past" confrontation at the White House, Magneto tosses Wolverine into the bay. At that point, all events in the "future" timeline becomes moot: they lose their influence over the past, the Apocalypse movie reality is already set in motion as a new timeline distinct from their own.
 
Just watched it. Really bad.

For starters, I don't know what they were going for with Apocalypse. Was Singer trying to make him intentionally comedic? Almost every scene he was in, my friends and I were snorting and chuckling at. I can't take this 5'5 actor try to intimidate people much taller than him with his white eyes while he delivers some of the corniest lines to ever be put on film. I think a big part of it is the makeup, because that seriously detracted from his portrayal as a legitimate threat and not a clown gathering up other clowns for their world conquest or whatever.

For example, take the scene when he approaches the men accosting Storm for stealing their shit. Singer doesn't do what any competent director does by smartly using angles and lighting to make the very first showing of Apocalypse scary or terrifying as a godly power. Nope, it 's filmed like an old dude in a hood standing next to a bunch of regular dudes, hamming it up with cryptic lines while the audience chuckles at how self-seriously Apocalypse takes himself.
 
Maxim726X said:
So... Magneto kills an ungodly number of people, but he's cool because someone said that he helped take out Apocalypse?

That's some BvS level of absurdity right there.

Other than that, I actually really enjoyed the movie. I kinda agreed with the RLM review... I admit that Civil War was a better film, but for some strange reason I enjoyed this more.
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Just to make sure are we talking about what he was doing towards the end where he was bringing up all the Earth's metal or are we talking about something else?
 
Yeezus H. Christ said:
For example, take the scene when he approaches the men accosting Storm for stealing their shit. Singer doesn't do what any competent director does by smartly using angles and lighting to make the very first showing of Apocalypse scary or terrifying as a godly power. Nope, it 's filmed like an old dude in a hood standing next to a bunch of regular dudes, hamming it up with cryptic lines while the audience chuckles at how self-seriously Apocalypse takes himself.
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i didn't like apocalypse much as a villain either but those lines are pretty much the cartoon stuff that everybody was clamoring for. dude's always sounded so self important.

and singer obviously didn't intend to make his appearance threatening. it's the power he has that is meant to intimidate. like when he slices them with the sand or absorbs that dude into the wall.

they look at him and call him a clown (literally call him a clown) to his face before he shows his mutant powers...remember.
 
Jean is becoming way too op'd. Now when future films are made and they are fighting other muties, the whole time I'm going to think why doesn't Jean just enter their mind and knock them all out.
 
The more you think about this movie, the worse it gets. Off topic, but I just realized how much the guy playing quicksilver would make a great mcgyver
 
IndoAssassin said:
Jean is becoming way too op'd. Now when future films are made and they are fighting other muties, the whole time I'm going to think why doesn't Jean just enter their mind and knock them all out.
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Moral code...same reason most of the X-Men with the means to insta-kill their enemies don't just do so.
 
Parch said:
I wonder if they purposely didn't want it to seem too "civil war".

Although mutants vs mutants has been a pretty common theme throughout the franchise. Even the hero X-Men have their bad days occasionally.
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I'm sure they'd never want to invite those comparisons...

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Sub_Level said:
No. Nightcrawler and Mystique being part of the X-Men and the Phoenix coming out mean this movie didn't happen in OG timeline. It doesn't fit with the events of X2 or X3 at all, minus bald Charles and Wolverine having amnesia.

edit: also in the OG timeline Jean Grey was 'recruited' to the school by Magneto and Charles. There is no point in the new timeline where that could have happened.
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Mutants becoming known in 1973 is what led the Cult to Apocalypse's pyramid/temple.

In the old timeline they weren't discovered until 2003 (ish) and even then it was kinda hush hush in terms of the general population until X-Men 3. Previous X-Men stories had restrained stories in terms of villainous plans. And by the time people would've known for a fact mutants existed, the Sentinel program had begun.

Although I would like to see a film with Apocalypse vs Sentinels vs Phoenix. That'd be overpowered as fuck.

That and I'm surprised that the US government didn't release Trask, or any X-Men visit him, in this film. I mean Sentinels are horrible, but when a mutants threatening the end of the world maybe considering using a Sentinel to stop said mutant is a good idea.
 
Brakke said:
What end? This is a two-universes time travel paradigm. Future X Men either actually died or else annihilated their existence by sending Wolverine's consciousness back.

That's a weird part about that DoFP, actually. In the "past" confrontation at the White House, Magneto tosses Wolverine into the bay. At that point, all events in the "future" timeline becomes moot: they lose their influence over the past, the Apocalypse movie reality is already set in motion as a new timeline distinct from their own.
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Not necessarily. I'm watching DoFP Rogue Cut on HBO right now and Beast has a line to Logan where he wonders about what if they can't change the future, how changing the past might not be like diverting a river but like causing a ripple that sets off a chain of events or something to that effect.

Basically, if time travel rules were like Terminator as opposed to Back to the Future.

I think with Wolverine still ending up with Styker, despite the end of DoFP, they have an out to pick and choose what they choose to eject from future canon and what they want to keep, which means if they eventually get back to the present time, they can use the old films as shorthand for events they've already told, like Weapon X, and they can just rearrange it as they see fit.
 
Brakke said:
What end? This is a two-universes time travel paradigm. Future X Men either actually died or else annihilated their existence by sending Wolverine's consciousness back.

That's a weird part about that DoFP, actually. In the "past" confrontation at the White House, Magneto tosses Wolverine into the bay. At that point, all events in the "future" timeline becomes moot: they lose their influence over the past, the Apocalypse movie reality is already set in motion as a new timeline distinct from their own.
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He's talking about the scene where wolverine wakes up in the future and middle age Scott and Jean are there, alive, well and happy. We know that scene takes place in the new timeline and it makes it so all films must be leading to it.
 
Cuburt said:
Not necessarily. I'm watching DoFP Rogue Cut on HBO right now and Beast has a line to Logan where he wonders about what if they can't change the future, how changing the past might not be like diverting a river but like causing a ripple that sets off a chain of events or something to that effect.

Basically, if time travel rules were like Terminator as opposed to Back to the Future.

I think with Wolverine still ending up with Styker, despite the end of DoFP, they have an out to pick and choose what they choose to eject from future canon and what they want to keep, which means if they eventually get back to the present time, they can use the old films as shorthand for events they've already told, like Weapon X, and they can just rearrange it as they see fit.
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Except the problem there is that Stryker only has Wolverine because Mystique posed as Stryker to give them Wolverine, which...

I have seen this film twice and I still don't understand why Mystique was posing as Stryker to give them Wolverine in the first place, or why Stryker would keep Wolverine given when he got to that base he'd have no idea why his men had Wolverine in custody (and someone would say 'you told us to take Wolverine' and he'd be all 'WHAT? NO I DIDN'T. IT''S A TRAP.') It makes Stryker look like an idiot, and undermines Mystique's 'I'm tortured but helping mutants escape' plot.
 
it's kinberg's fault. i have no idea why they ended dofp with stryker being mystique at all. would be better off forgetting it even happened.

especially when there's an earlier scene that shows the real stryker looking at wolverine's bone claws and having an epiphany right there. they set it up perfectly and then shit it up with the final scene.
 
Discotheque said:
i didn't like apocalypse much as a villain either but those lines are pretty much the cartoon stuff that everybody was clamoring for. dude'salways sounded so self important.

and singer obviously didn't intend to make his appearance threatening. it's the power he has that is meant to intimidate. like when he slices them with the sand or absorbs that dude into the wall.

they look at him and call him a clown (literally call him a clown) to his face before he shows his mutant powers...remember.
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I guess he remains faithful to the source material but personally, I've never really put too much stock in how accurate an adaptation is of the original iteration, so long as it is quality. Apocalypse's cartoonish lines just don't translate at all well to the big screen and I think that's definitely something Singer should have dropped.

His powers are okay for the most part until you get to where he's transfusing that one goon with sand and I had to hold back from snickering loudly at the guy's eyes darting left and right during the whole process. Reminded me of Annoying Orange or some shit, it was done so bad.

I can't be the only one who also laughed when Magneto turns around and sees Apocalypse and his gang? No, not at Magneto's "Who the fuck are you?", just the image of Apocalypse looking hilariously unintimidating in his poorly made cosmetics while being shorter than the rest of the pack. I'm a guy who can usually take comic book shtick pretty well, and I couldn't hold it for the main villain who's supposed to be an all-powerful god. Literally every scene of his was funny.
 
eh i rarely agree with you it's looking like. i thought the man in the wall part was creepy as fuck. probably the only time i found his power really intimidating.

he's goofy but i wasn't so caught up on the height thing being the reason for it. personally i find the trinity of darkseid/thanos/apocalypse all corny looking. they can be 8 feet tall and it still looks silly, possibly moreso. i'm not happy about avengers and justice league leading up to these dorks but i guess it was bound to happen.

edit: anyways I really love the first half of this movie but it lost me after he gathered the horsemen. soundtrack is incredible though. ottman is so good at this.
 
Discotheque said:
it's kinberg's fault. i have no idea why they ended dofp with stryker being mystique at all. would be better off forgetting it even happened.

especially when there's an earlier scene that shows the real stryker looking at wolverine's bone claws and having an epiphany right there. they set it up perfectly and then shit it up with the final scene.
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It's so weird because when Stryker found Wolverine I was all 'oh, that's neat.' Ánd then with the Mystique I was all 'holy shit...'

Like I figured they'd somehow have Mystique as a Horsewoman or some shit. And Wolverine'd be death. Then they said Wolverine wasn't cast in X-Men: Apocalypse (until the reshoots) and I was baffled as to why they'd drop that plotline completely when Mystique in charge of Project X was a genuinely interesting shift.
 
Pagusas said:
He's talking about the scene where wolverine wakes up in the future and middle age Scott and Jean are there, alive, well and happy. We know that scene takes place in the new timeline and it makes it so all films must be leading to it.
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Ohh that end, I gotcha. Yeah I guess they do the next one in the '90s or whatever but then the one after that is House of M and then they just have a totally new universe so they don't have to hire James Marsden for anything else.
 
So mystique knew nightcrawler was her son at the beginning, why else did she save him? Then it cuts to Magneto.

Also nightcrawler teleporting behing arch Angel, throwing him at the electric fence, teleporting up and dragging him down was some MvC stuff.
 
It was probably my mind playing tricks on me, but I swear every shot of Jubilee ended with her opening her mouth to say something and then it cutting away lol
 
I think this was an enjoyable movie. It wasn't as good as DoFP, which is one of my favorite super hero movie, but it wasn't that bad. A good time pass flick. I personally enjoyed both Civil War and Apocalypse but honestly both of these appear to follow the same formula set by their respective directors. I need to see some change.
 
Second viewing, which solidified that I quite like this, on the whole. It has one really major flaw, though, namely the handling of Storm. Alexandra Shipp is well-cast, but the movie sets up an arc for her from Horseman to X-Man that never really takes focus. And with a few tweaks I think this could have worked. When she first meets Apocalypse there's a moment where he pronounces that the world needs to be "cleansed" in whatever language he's speaking, which Storm doesn't understand, so when he speaks English he amends it to "saved". And his early actions, like gathering some mutant followers and giving them power boosts, destroying the world's nuclear weapons, can easily be read as saving the world. But when he switches to openly talking about wiping out most of the world, and in particular when he destroys Cairo, Storm's hometown, she has no reaction whatsoever. She really needed to turn against Apocalypse then.
 
Biggest problem for me is the number of subplots with editing incoherently jumping between them. Apocalypse's revival and Horsemen Recruitment Session, Magneto's family, Scott's training, Mystique and Nightcrawler, Stryker - way too many to balance even for a 2 and a half hour film. Some of them were also way too sparsely spaced. For example, we just barely delve into Scott's training and almost 40 minutes later we return to it. The connective tissue tying together all the different plot threads was pretty weak, made for a very messy film.

As fun as Phoenix and Quicksilver were, the third act was incredibly cookie-cutter.
 
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