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[I Reclaim3mer 117]

It won't matter. Sony dominant markets will remain Sony's. Amazing hardware won't change that.

We are a little ahead of ourselves we will just have to see how it shakes out and what's what once things get announced.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

People are acting like Microsoft has to do some hardcore work to improve their image, but in reality the image of Xbox is perfectly fine. Xbox is an extremely popular and well respected brand. They just launched their new product with some circumstances being in Sony's favor, the biggest among them being price, and it obviously had a cementing effect on consumer preferences moving forward.

Each new product represents a fresh start, with consumers willing to give that product a serious look. Not all potential buyers of videogame consoles are so hardcore that they will never give another option some serious consideration. People that may have gone ps4 instead of xbox one after owning just xbox 360, aren't somehow automatically opposed to getting a newer xbox. It's all in how Microsoft presents this new system, it's cost, and what they can ultimate offer for that asking price. Buyers will be there.

I think Microsoft DOES have a lot of work to do in order to improve their image. Their premier franchises are in serious decline, and they seem to be doubling down on them rather than investing substantially in new products. I just think there's a lot less excitement for the Xbox brand these days than during the early 360 cycle where Gears wowed audiences and was an exclusive next gen showcase title, Halo 3 released to humongous popularity, and they rode the wave of key multiplatform pillars like CoD. It all seems rather ho-hum. The Xbox One is the only Xbox product I have not owned, and I just fail to see any compelling reason to do so. I'd like to be proven wrong, and I'd be much more excited with Microsoft announcing lots of really cool, tangible games and new properties than I would if they simply announced a powerful system upgrade.

I don't really see a large consumer base that previously owned a PS4 somehow switching to Xbox Scorpio just because it could be more powerful. It would have to involve either huge missteps by Sony, or Microsoft offering REALLY compelling exclusives.

Right now I don't think either is all that likely, so I think the dust has pretty much settled in terms of ecosystems. This gen was pivotal in establishing that since digital is now more common and the current systems weren't backwards compatible at the time, so there was little risk in switching.

 

[etta]

Hey, your back in here?!?

You never answered my question!!

Here, I'll quote it all for you in case you forgot:






I've been just dying with anticipation for your answer.

Try not to bail out of the thread and come back when the coast is clear this time tho.

Oh yea that, he never did answer, trying to act like it never happened lols.

 

[Primethius]

I would be careful throwing around words like fanboy. Especially when every post of yours in this thread is either to downplay the thing, or outright dismiss it because of reasons. Just the last page being a prime example...

Downplay what exactly? Could you show me?

I'll wait.

 

[KinofChaos]

Oh yea that, he never did answer, trying to act like it never happened lols.

He's on my ignore list for a reason, so I never saw his posts....but keep fighting the good fight. Anyone who goes through all that trouble and follows me around on Neogaf over a single post is not worth my time.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

So you think MS is going to say hey devs make UWP games that don't work on one of our most successful Windows 10/ DX12 platforms?


I think you are missing the most important points of UWP.

You mean the Xbox One, an essentially failed product with a ton of negative stigma still attached to it?

I wouldn't really call that "successful".

If they can get the majority of XB1 owners to switch to the Scorpio over the first couple of years or so, it becomes irrelevant anyway.

 

[cyberheater]

We are a little ahead of ourselves we will just have to see how it shakes out and what's what once things get announced.

Fair enough. I'm hoping MS knocks it out the park when they show this at E3.

 

[Zeta Oni]

Oh yea that, he never did answer, trying to act like it never happened lols.

Couldn't come up with a response so they put me on ignore lmao.

Funny thing is, that question was the only interaction I've had with this poster, guess it was enough for them to feel bothered.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

I'd be really surprised if MS didn't show their new console at E3. Assuming Sony shows Neo, do they really want Sony to have this new powerful console on stage while they don't?

 

[etta]

He's on my ignore list for a reason, so I never saw his posts....but keep fighting the good fight. Anyone who goes through all that trouble and follows me around on Neogaf over a single post is not worth my time.

Follows you around? You made that post in this thread. Or maybe you forgot because you copy paste your posts in multiple threads.
So you put him on ignore because he caught your double standard?
Lol

 

[potatohead]

This is why I think a lot of people wanted Xbox to start spending their money more on creating exclusive content and funding their own studios to make that content, rather than buying up DLC/doing stuff like ROTR deal that is so temporary and only for one game. Like I really don't see how that helped the Xbox brand except minimally or for a moment, and the cost may have been quite high too. All those temporary bandaid solutions and temporary deals don't favour them well in the long-term and its showing now.

As it stands now though they are even weaker in the first party department and big AAA exclusives department than they were previously. Stuff like Gears, Halo, and Forza is sure to continue to come, but particularly with Gears and Halo they don't appear to be holding nearly as much sway as in the Xbox and 360 eras, where they were genuine system sellers.

I do like how they have found a way to support titles like Sea of Thieves now though, that game looks very interesting. I'm glad they are going a bit more out of their way to get some more non-traditional FPS/shooting games to their platform first or exclusively.

As aggressive as they are on pricing fronts, and now with UWP/Xbox coming together as storefronts, MS also needs to be aggressive on fostering talent in their own game studios *that they intend to keep.*

 

[cakely]

Fanboyism? How old are you I don't have console preferences I play great games on all my systems. So you're saying that I'm correct but it will fall behind soon with no facts to back it up. You don't know the future you're just speculating non sense.

Jumping into a console speculation thread and immediately taking an extremely aggressive stance is a dangerous strategy for someone with less than 30 posts.

 

[KinofChaos]

Follows you around? You made that post in this thread. Or maybe you forgot because you copy paste your posts in multiple threads.
S o you put him on ignore because he caught your double standard?
Lol

You know they say about assumptions.... It was also not a double standard, he totally misinterpreted what I was trying to say in that post. Either way this is the last time I will ever talk about it, not the place here. PM me or back on topic.

We are a little ahead of ourselves we will just have to see how it shakes out and what's what once things get announced.

The entire premise of this thread is speculation and people getting ahead of themselves..

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I swear to God I feel like I've been reading the same page in this thread for the last 3 days lol

 

[bidguy]

but keep fighting the good fight.

im sorry but this is just too funny coming from you

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I hope this doesn't qualify as backseat-modding, but could you guys please transfer your personal hassle somewhere else?

 

[Leyasu]

Downplay what exactly? Could you show me?

I'll wait.

Lol go back to any of your posts in this thread.

They read like a severe case of concern/damage control... Where all paths lead to failure for the console you undoubtedly will never buy

 

[Zeta Oni]

I hope this doesn't qualify as backseat-modding, but could you guys please transfer your personal hassle somewhere else?

No, your right. I was being petty bringing it back up.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Maybe we can get a little back on topic.

What about upgrades to the audio chip? SATA III?

What other small things could end up making a big difference?

 

[Sydle]

This is why I think a lot of people wanted Xbox to start spending their money more on creating exclusive content and funding their own studios to make that content, rather than buying up DLC/doing stuff like ROTR deal that is so temporary and only for one game. Like I really don't see how that helped the Xbox brand except minimally or for a moment, and the cost may have been quite high too. All those temporary bandaid solutions and temporary deals don't favour them well in the long-term and its showing now.

As it stands now though they are even weaker in the first party department and big AAA exclusives department than they were previously. Stuff like Gears, Halo, and Forza is sure to continue to come, but particularly with Gears and Halo they don't appear to be holding nearly as much sway as in the Xbox and 360 eras, where they were genuine system sellers.

I do like how they have found a way to support titles like Sea of Thieves now though, that game looks very interesting. I'm glad they are going a bit more out of their way to get some more non-traditional FPS/shooting games to their platform first or exclusively.

As aggressive as they are on pricing fronts, and now with UWP/Xbox coming together as storefronts, MS also needs to be aggressive on fostering talent in their own game studios *that they intend to keep.*

I think it's more likely we see additional investment in games contracted out like they've done with with Killer Instinct, Halo Wars 2, Forza Horizon, ReCore, ScaleBound, and Crackdown.

In addition to funding new IP, I would really love to hear that they are trying to find Banjo and Perfect Dark some good third-party talent.

 

[Zedox]

Not a single person has said this.

It can be implied.
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Either way, I think Scorpio will do well among the markets that it is sold. I don't think it will sell better than the Neo, but I do think it will help Microsoft gain a good number of customers.

 

[onQ123]

You mean the Xbox One, an essentially failed product with a ton of negative stigma still attached to it?

I wouldn't really call that "successful".

If they can get the majority of XB1 owners to switch to the Scorpio over the first couple of years or so, it becomes irrelevant anyway.

In what world is 20 million in 2 years unsuccessful though? the next few years might not be so good for Xbox One but it would be dumb to leave 20 million users behind to try and appease a brand new user base that's uncertain when you have UWP in place.

 

[wapplew]

This is why I think a lot of people wanted Xbox to start spending their money more on creating exclusive content and funding their own studios to make that content, rather than buying up DLC/doing stuff like ROTR deal that is so temporary and only for one game. Like I really don't see how that helped the Xbox brand except minimally or for a moment, and the cost may have been quite high too. All those temporary bandaid solutions and temporary deals don't favour them well in the long-term and its showing now.

As it stands now though they are even weaker in the first party department and big AAA exclusives department than they were previously. Stuff like Gears, Halo, and Forza is sure to continue to come, but particularly with Gears and Halo they don't appear to be holding nearly as much sway as in the Xbox and 360 eras, where they were genuine system sellers.

I do like how they have found a way to support titles like Sea of Thieves now though, that game looks very interesting. I'm glad they are going a bit more out of their way to get some more non-traditional FPS/shooting games to their platform first or exclusively.

As aggressive as they are on pricing fronts, and now with UWP/Xbox coming together as storefronts, MS also needs to be aggressive on fostering talent in their own game studios *that they intend to keep.*

What if Scorpio exclusive launch titles are Fromsoft new IP direct by Miyazaki, new IP by Gen design direct by Ueda, Persona 6, 3 New JRPG by MS studio Japan, 3 new IP by 343/Collition/Turn10 along with their ten pole sequel, also bought CDproject red and Cyber punk 2077 and save Ubisoft from Vivendi and sign Xbox and PC exclusive deal for life for all Ubisoft future titles?

 

[KinofChaos]

It can be implied.
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Either way, I think Scorpio will do well among the markets that it is sold. I don't think it will sell better than the Neo, but I do think it will help Microsoft gain a good number of customers.

I don't see how it can be implied, I think you are seeing things that don't exist.

 

[Zedox]

I don't see how it can be implied, I think you are seeing things that don't exist.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Either way, it doesn't matter.

 

[Leyasu]

Maybe we can get a little back on topic.

What about upgrades to the audio chip? SATA III?

What other small things could end up making a big difference?

I hope that external HDD support is out of the box this time

 

[BeforeU]

Maybe we can get a little back on topic.

What about upgrades to the audio chip? SATA III?

What other small things could end up making a big difference?

In built micro phone. Amazon Echo level accuracy. IT HAS TO HAPPEN.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

In what world is 20 million in 2 years unsuccessful though? the next few years might not be so good for Xbox One but it would be dumb to leave 20 million users behind to try and appease a brand new user base that's uncertain when you have UWP in place.

20mn in two years is fine. I suppose MS is far more worried that XBOX may (!) have peaked in it's very first year / is already in decline (while PS4 sales are still increasing). And right now they don't have a new proposition like Kinect 1.0 incoming to pull the chestnuts out of the fire.

What if Scorpio exclusive launch titles are Fromsoft new IP direct by Miyazaki, new IP by Gen design direct by Ueda, Persona 6, 3 New JRPG by MS studio Japan, 3 new IP by 343/Collition/Turn10 along with their ten pole sequel, also bought CDproject red and Cyber punk 2077 and save Ubisoft from Vivendi and sign Xbox and PC exclusive deal for life for all Ubisoft future titles?

It'd be cheaper - and more effective - to get an exclusive Rock Star game...

 

[...Scatter...]

What if Scorpio exclusive launch titles are Fromsoft new IP direct by Miyazaki, new IP by Gen design direct by Ueda, Persona 6, 3 New JRPG by MS studio Japan, 3 new IP by 343/Collition/Turn10 along with their ten pole sequel, also bought CDproject red and Cyber punk 2077 and save Ubisoft from Vivendi and sign Xbox and PC exclusive deal for life for all Ubisoft future titles?

Why do you keep trolling the thread?

You're no Miles Quartich, sir.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Follows you around? You made that post in this thread. Or maybe you forgot because you copy paste your posts in multiple threads.
So you put him on ignore because he caught your double standard?
Lol

I honestly can't believe he's still doing that bullshit.

 

[c0de]

I hope that external HDD support is out of the box this time

I think they evolve the current os and don't rewrite it.

 

[Leyasu]

I think they evolve the current os and don't rewrite it.

Hmmm the list of features on the 360 that weren't there at launch on the bone was as long as my arm

 

[CyberMiguel]

It is going to take a lot more then more power for people world wide to leave Playstation and go to xbox, you are over valuing what effect extra power will have. It doesn't work that way. The ps3 ran most games worse , was 16 months late and more expensive then 360 yet still sold more launch aligned...

Actually, in some markets, it won't. It's true that Xbox is a behemoth of a brand and service in the US, but it also is within the Americas. Xbox dominates in Mexico and Brazil, due to localization and factories being there (which bring low prices compared to Sony Playstation) and those two are the most important markets in the Americas after USA and Canada.

How could Sony compete with their console in Brazil (for example) if their console costs there nearly US$1000 due to import taxes, when the XBone costs roughly US$400 there?

In fact, in almost all the countries in Latin America, the XBone is actually cheaper (and sometimes a lot cheaper) than PS4.

Oh, and by the way, I don't know the rest of LatAm, but in Chile the Xbox 360 sold a whole lot more than the PS3, due to being cheaper and being able to "mod" it (it's actually ridiculously high the number of consoles modded here).

 

[Ushay]

This is a really smart move by MS because making this highend Windows 10 ready made Multimedia Computer will put pressure on Dell & other PC makers to also make highend Windows 10 Multimedia Computers & it don't really matter which company you buy your Multimedia Computer from as long as it's the Windows store that you're connecting to to buy software.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine disgust for MS?

People are acting like Microsoft has to do some hardcore work to improve their image, but in reality the image of Xbox is perfectly fine. Xbox is an extremely popular and well respected brand. They just launched their new product with some circumstances being in Sony's favor, the biggest among them being price, and it obviously had a cementing effect on consumer preferences moving forward.

Each new product represents a fresh start, with consumers willing to give that product a serious look. Not all potential buyers of videogame consoles are so hardcore that they will never give another option some serious consideration. People that may have gone ps4 instead of xbox one after owning just xbox 360, aren't somehow automatically opposed to getting a newer xbox. It's all in how Microsoft presents this new system, it's cost, and what they can ultimate offer for that asking price. Buyers will be there.

I have to disagree with you here, I think it's naive to be overly optimistic. MS left a deep wound for many consumers in 2013, one I think they are still looking to regain footing for. I honestly think they've made excellent strides since then with 1st party, hardware and software, but they need to keep it up if they are going to regain marketshare and trust again.

I appreciate your optimism anyway! As rare as it is to see.

Sony would have to fuck up big style for that to happen and that isn't going to happen.

I'm a huge Xbox fanboy and even I didn't pick an XB1 because I was so disappointed with the hardware. By the time Scorpio comes out. I'll be so far deep into PSVR that I won't even care. I fear MS has lost me.

Never say never.

Spoiler

See you at E3

 

[Obscuritas]

You mean the Xbox One, an essentially failed product with a ton of negative stigma still attached to it?

I wouldn't really call that "successful".

If they can get the majority of XB1 owners to switch to the Scorpio over the first couple of years or so, it becomes irrelevant anyway.

So you really think that Scorpio will manage to reach 25-30M users in its first 12-24 months while nobody will buy the cheaper slim sku.

Again, this is not gonna happen. Backward/forward compatibility will be the norm from now on, and that includes the X1/X1 slim as well.

 

[Outrun]

I think Microsoft DOES have a lot of work to do in order to improve their image. Their premier franchises are in serious decline, and they seem to be doubling down on them rather than investing substantially in new products. I just think there's a lot less excitement for the Xbox brand these days than during the early 360 cycle where Gears wowed audiences and was an exclusive next gen showcase title, Halo 3 released to humongous popularity, and they rode the wave of key multiplatform pillars like CoD. It all seems rather ho-hum. The Xbox One is the only Xbox product I have not owned, and I just fail to see any compelling reason to do so. I'd like to be proven wrong, and I'd be much more excited with Microsoft announcing lots of really cool, tangible games and new properties than I would if they simply announced a powerful system upgrade.

I don't really see a large consumer base that previously owned a PS4 somehow switching to Xbox Scorpio just because it could be more powerful. It would have to involve either huge missteps by Sony, or Microsoft offering REALLY compelling exclusives.

Right now I don't think either is all that likely, so I think the dust has pretty much settled in terms of ecosystems. This gen was pivotal in establishing that since digital is now more common and the current systems weren't backwards compatible at the time, so there was little risk in switching.

Because Halo 5 was worst than Halo 4.... And FM6 was inferior to FM5....

If quality is what is wanted, then it is there...

But I am sure the goalposts will move to game title sales...

 

[Zeta Oni]

Mentioned this earlier in the thread,but does anyone with more knowledge about game engines know how a more powerful system (in this case, Scorpio) effect games with dynamic settings like Halo 5 even without a patch?

I know there a few games that use techniques like dynamic resolution to help performance on the underpowered one. I wonder if the setting options in forza apex are a test for scaling games between PC and consoles with UWA.

 

[JaggedSac]

I hope that external HDD support is out of the box this time

I can be confident in saying you will be able to take your external drive from the Bone, plug it into Scorpio, and your games are ready to go.

 

[etta]

Mentioned this earlier in the thread,but does anyone with more knowledge about game engines know how a more powerful system (in this case, Scorpio) effect games with dynamic settings like Halo 5 even without a patch?

I know there a few games that use techniques like dynamic resolution to help performance on the underpowered one. I wonder if the setting options in forza apex are a test for scaling games between PC and consoles with UWA.

Yes it depends how the game was built to use resources. If there is no cap in place, as with Halo 5, it will be able to leverage the extra resources from new hardware.
If there is a cap on resources, which I assume is with most games, then it won't.

 

[Mixolydian]

I admittedly don't keep up with sales, because I justify my purchase by the enjoyment I get out f the system, not how many units a console sells. I hate console wars with a fiery passion, but why am I seeing posts claiming the X1 is a failure over and over? Sure, compared to PS4, it's not pretty, but isn't the X1 selling ahead of the 360 when you compare time on the market?

Either way, I've seen some good points (and some moronic ones) brought up, but I agree with most that a spring 17 launch is likely, and I simply cannot wait.

 

[FordGTGuy]

You mean the Xbox One, an essentially failed product with a ton of negative stigma still attached to it?

I wouldn't really call that "successful".

If they can get the majority of XB1 owners to switch to the Scorpio over the first couple of years or so, it becomes irrelevant anyway.

Xbox One isn't a failed product, do you consider the slower selling Xbox 360 to be a failed product?

 

[DudeWithNoName]

I admittedly don't keep up with sales, because I justify my purchase by the enjoyment I get out f the system, not how many units a console sells. I hate console wars with a fiery passion, but why am I seeing posts claiming the X1 is a failure over and over? Sure, compared to PS4, it's not pretty, but isn't the X1 selling ahead of the 360 when you compare time on the market?

Either way, I've seen some good points (and some moronic ones) brought up, but I agree with most that a spring 17 launch is likely, and I simply cannot wait.

Great post. I love console gaming, and give no shits about numbers. As long as there are games being made, I'll keep playing.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

Jumping into a console speculation thread and immediately taking an extremely aggressive stance is a dangerous strategy for someone with less than 30 posts.

I never took a strong stance on anything. Maybe read my posts before assuming. Secondly me saying I hope both of these new consoles are successful and that downplaying and predicting doom on a product before it's even unveiled is ridiculous is not out of bounds. I don't have a console preference at all feel free to look at my post history. I was saying instead of speculating doom we should try and instead think of the possibilities and choices they would bring.

 

[c0de]

Hmmm the list of features on the 360 that weren't there at launch on the bone was as long as my arm

But this was a completely different architecture. I knew that someone would mention that but I think ms is aware of the is.

 

[...Scatter...]

Xbox One isn't a failed product, do you consider the slower selling Xbox 360 to be a failed product?



You're going to have to try and justify this statement.

Better physics, way more cars, more cars on track, addition of weather, addition of different times of day, more tracks, increased visuals and particle effects on tracks, replace cardboard spectators with 3D spectators, open wheel cars, much more varied car list and more.
FM6 is a better game in every metric then FM5.

I had to read that a couple of times too. It was sarcasm. He forgot the /s

I can be confident in saying you will be able to take your external drive from the Bone, plug it into Scorpio, and your games are ready to go.

That would be sexual

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Great post. I love console gaming, and give no shits about numbers. As long as there are games being made, I'll keep playing.

First of all, no need to turn this into a Nintendo WiiU thread, you know? But seriously, you do realize that there's a strong correlation between "numbers" and "games being made", do you?

 

[FordGTGuy]

I had to read that a couple of times too. It was sarcasm. He forgot the/s

Nevermind then.

/s tags are definitely important.

 

[get2sammyb]

I swear to God I feel like I've been reading the same page in this thread for the last 3 days lol

Haha, summed it up perfectly with one sentence. Kudos!

 

[Zedox]

Great post. I love console gaming, and give no shits about numbers. As long as there are games being made, I'll keep playing.

Exactly this.

 

[gamz]

There is no way it can....even with all the screw ups sony made with PS3, being more expensive, 16 months later in europe it didn't matter. Chances of Sony screwing up as bad or worse again is slim. MS best bet is to try and maintain their fanbase in US/UK

All I'm saying is getting back the regions that made the 360 a 80M seller is all they need.

It's not like it's impossible -- Like at all.

Xbox is still a huge brand and it won't take much to get people who have fled back on board.