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AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination
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Heavy_D206
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Hearing Hillary give speeches is the reason I don't want to vote for her.
Nothing that comes out her mouth comes across as sincere or genuine. It feels like an act and she's just reading her lines.
DrROBschiz
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Maybe its because implementation of such policies are met with opposition by those in powerful positions... hence Bernies focus on toppling that power structure first
Otherwise I agree.
Definitely not some heavy projecting.
thestopsign
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Hillary has way more impressive progressive/democratic speakers lining up behind her. Not sure why those couple of people would convince you not to vote democratic in the GE considering they almost certainly will support Hillary as well.
I urge everyone to go watch Hillary's Foreign Policy speech from last week. I swear I showed that to a few of my friends and they admitted they never had actually taken the time to listen to her speak and that they were impressed. I have a feeling many people that find Hillary boring or aren't on board with her just haven't even given her a listen.
Heavy_D206
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Bernie inspires me and Hillary doesn't. That's really all it comes down to.
If Bernie actually inspired you, you'd know that the impact of your vote and this election on the progressive movement for the next couple decades should not come down to the tone of a candidate's voice.
JeTmAn81
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I've never had a good feeling about Hillary either. She's always seemed more than capable of being president, and certainly her credentials are significant. She just rubs me the wrong way when I listen to her speak, other than her stuff on SNL which is pretty good. She's never seemed relatable or genuine to me in the way that both the last two presidents did.
I think some of this feeling goes all the way back to her husband's presidency when she gave the impression of putting up with his infidelity in order to further her future political goals. This may just be part and parcel of what happens when you're a strong ambitious woman in politics, but that's still my impression of her.
I think some of this feeling goes all the way back to her husband's presidency when she gave the impression of putting up with his infidelity in order to further her future political goals. This may just be part and parcel of what happens when you're a strong ambitious woman in politics, but that's still my impression of her.
Being inspired is easy, understanding politics is hard.
Yes don't worry guys Bernie lost and Hillary will be president. Ill leave it as this - the Bernie I saw in person was better than what I've seen on TV. and it was just as much him as it was the speakers and elected officials that coalesced behind his message. And while Hillary does an amazing job too in this area, I think Bernie is more motivated and has longer term, broader goals. (How practical he is is certainly an argument tho)
Bernie isn't in the GE.
Thats not how government works.
Gore wasn't inspiring. Kerry wasn't inspiring. But htey sure as hell deserved 100% support from every liberal to stop Bush. If you go purely by who you "like" you hand the keys over to the Republicans. Every time.
matrixman92
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It will be fun to see how Hillary will try to unite the democratic party....this will end well Im sure....
We have 8 right now with 3 additional that would likely retire in the next term or two of presidency. It's gonna be pretty wild for the supreme court in the near future. The last Clinton gave us RGB, the most liberal justice on the bench. Regardless of who you vote for with the dems, it's bodes well for seating progressive minded justices that will preside for the next couple generations.
NO REGERTS.
balladofwindfishes
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How does the first woman candidate and potentially first woman president not inspire you?
benjipwns
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This is why I'm considering letting Gary Johnson be President for one term. To be pragmatic instead of ideological.
JeTmAn81
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Tokenism isn't inspirational for most people.
If there's any election that will prove if progressives care as much and understand the value of the Supreme Court as conservatives do, it'll be this one.
matrixman92
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doesn't really inspire me either, because she is corrupt like all the others. I am not going to ignore all the corruptness just because she is a woman.
The only politician who's not "corrupt" is either the one you like or the one you don't know enough about.
matrixman92
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but im not voting for anybody
Captain Pants
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Fuck inspirational. At the end of the day Hillary has never been 'too busy running for President' to have a detailed answer on a policy question. We don't need to be inspired. Obama got that done a while ago. We need competent governance and we need to make sure the Supreme Court never sees a Trump nominee. Progress is moving forward through coalitions and through the courts, not through revolutions. If the other side wasn't actively trying to take us back to the 1950s, we could run the most ideologically pure candidate we could find and purge anyone we didn't agree with on every single issue, but that's not the current reality.
Vincent Grayson
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Surely this sort of rhetoric will encourage Bernie supporters to vote Clinton.
balladofwindfishes
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Bernie isn't exactly a saint, either.
maquiladora
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Tell that to the millions of women and girls who will be proud and inspired to finally see a woman leading the country.
heh, I don't really know if I'd say McCain or Romney were more charismatic or likable than Obama.
Then why do you care about any of this?
Dubbedinenglish
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Petulant Bernie fans are not worth spending energy on. The sane ones will come over.
I don't think you understand how insulting and sexist this statement is. There are women alive today who were born into a country where women did not have the right to vote. One political party is hellbent on taking away a women's right to their body, they want to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. 80% of Congress is male and our country has never been lead by a woman.
I honestly don't understand how you can't find any inspiration in Clinton's nomination.
We'll it's literally what Bernie says in his speeches she needs 2383 pledged because all supers are essentially not factors till the convention .
This fuels the narrative of supers flipping ultra left like tyt make the case of Obama having a 100 defect then lead . This just completely glosser over Obama convincing supers who hadn't declared by strong showings he din make a bunch of them just flip only like 30 or so changed their original stance .but it helps the narrative of flipping super so yeah let's screw the facts .
The only thing whih is a valid point is early on Clinton's major super lead along with it's reporting in media would def have influenced some to abstain. But this effect who knows what percentage shift it would have plus Obama was faced with a similar uphill climb an he pulled it off with strong showings out of the gate.
The only really plausible thing which could derail this is the FBI thingy and even ten there are polls showing majority of sems want Hillary to run anyway but I think only 50 percent of the general populace . And that too will require strong showing in final primaries and closing the pledged gap as much as possible
I'm not American but sanders went from no supers to yes now supers flip it for me ?? How does that logic work .i like the guy and if I was American I would vote for either dem and may even have voted sanders in primaries but some major twisting of facts and oh establishment etc mental gymnastics going on on both parties . Some of it frankly sounds paranoid I wouldn't be surprised if some ppl legit believe in the illuminati but given how out of wack some American news sources are in their leanings I am not surprised .
For a lot of white men, no, probably not.
IMO, you shouldn't vote for Hillary just because she's a woman just like you shouldn't have voted for Obama just because he's black. But it's astoundingly ignorant to completely miss the inspirational and symbolic value of seeing a black man and a woman be nominated/elected as president for many, if not most, African Americans and women. Especially for generations who grew up disenfranchised, marginalized and oppressed because of their race or gender.
Maybe those supporters shouldn't be so fucking sensitive as to determine their vote based on what strangers on the internet say.
It's not like they were actually going to vote anyway. I liked Bernie for some time, but the support just isn't there.
It's an echo chamber at this point, but this election is pretty simple for both Bernie supporters and well, everyone. Either vote for real progress or at the very least what amounts to a third Obama term, or you can try to set this country back 20+ years.
matrixman92
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because I like to see whats going on with the future of the country that I live in.
You will all be much happier and discussion will be much better if you stop trying to engage every person who doesn't want to vote for Hillary to show them why they are wrong. Please stop.
Call out trump people all you want but leave others alone. It's tiresome.
Call out trump people all you want but leave others alone. It's tiresome.
Yeah. If someone's limbic system is overruling their logic centers, good luck.
Aaronrules380
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So, did some delegate calculations and here are some fun facts for those who think Bernie could turn things around today and win the majority of pledged delegates:
1. Bernie needs to win California by at least 10 points. If he fails to do this, he can't succeed regardless of how well he does everywhere else (As in, 100% of the delegates from everywhere but California would not be enough if he doesn't get a 10 point lead in california). Note that literally every poll conducted in California has had Clinton ahead
2. If every other state ties on votes, He'd need a 64% lead in california to overcome Clinton
3. In order to win a majority of delegates, he needs over 70% of the remaining delegates to side with him
1. Bernie needs to win California by at least 10 points. If he fails to do this, he can't succeed regardless of how well he does everywhere else (As in, 100% of the delegates from everywhere but California would not be enough if he doesn't get a 10 point lead in california). Note that literally every poll conducted in California has had Clinton ahead
2. If every other state ties on votes, He'd need a 64% lead in california to overcome Clinton
3. In order to win a majority of delegates, he needs over 70% of the remaining delegates to side with him
The same Bernie supporters that were calling people stupid for not voting for Bernie and making death threats towards delegates that weren't voting for him?
Kid Kamikaze10
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Agreed.
I will say this, I don't need anything to "inspire me" this election.
This election will outright change the narrative of our judicial system for the next few decades. And one of the candidates has the maturity of a middle school student.
That's more than enough for me.
Not interested in kowtowing to a bunch of petulant, entitled babies who think that the candidate is more important than the issues at stake. They can put on their Guy Fawkes mask and go sulk in mom's basement come November 8.
DrROBschiz
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So all bernie supporters are extremists now?
I just dont find any of these examples helpful considering how crazy this entire cycle is
Nutjobs are a dime a dozen in this climate
If every other state ties he needs 80% in California to catch up to Hillary's pledged count.
285=475*x-475*(1-x)
x=0.8
Some sources lump a state's pledged and super delegates together, which might be the reason your numbers are off.
But you don't care to use your given right to influence it yourself. Got it.
depths20XX
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I honestly can't understand how you found his comment sexist. A lot of people don't find her inspiring. Get over it.
MHWilliams
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Y'all need to chill. No reason to go all on the offensive on each other.
If and when Sanders does a concession speech, then his supporters will have to decide if they follow the man and his ideals, or something else. You're not going convince anyone to amend their vote over the internet.
If and when Sanders does a concession speech, then his supporters will have to decide if they follow the man and his ideals, or something else. You're not going convince anyone to amend their vote over the internet.
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