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[Crimson_Fate]

I can't understand this logic. My favourite guy didn't win so I won't vote for the other candidate thereby increasing the chances the racist bigot in the other party wins.

Think of it in terms of football... If my team (AFC) looses the playoffs and the team who beat me goes to the Superbowl I root for the NFC to kick their ass..

 

[xxracerxx]

Think of it in terms of football... If my team (AFC) looses the playoffs and the team who beat me goes to the Superbowl I root for the NFC to kick their ass..

The seats on the Supreme Court are not a game to many.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Think of it in terms of football... If my team (AFC) looses the playoffs and the team who beat me goes to the Superbowl I root for the NFC to kick their ass..

Ah yes, but to keep your football analogy going, it's probably less what you described and probably should be more "My main quarterback is injured for the season, now I'll support the backup"

Not "My main quarterback is injured for the season, now I'm going for the other team's quarterback"

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Ah yes, but to keep your football analogy going, it's probably less what you described and probably should be more "My main quarterback is injured for the season, now I'll support the backup"

Not "My main quarterback is injured for the season, now I'm going for the other team's quarterback"

Yea but I think that the people who won't vote for hillary think that they were treated more like scrubs then teammates.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Yea but I think that the people who won't vote for hillary think that they were treated more like scrubs then teammates.

I really don't get why everyone believes their personal identity is on the line.

In 2000, I supported Bill Bradley like a complete diehard - he was out before I even got to vote in the Primary, but I voted for him anyway out of support for the guy. So Al Gore became the Party's nominee... and I voted for Gore.

It's silly to think that if your preferred candidate doesn't make it out of the Primary, that it's somehow a personal reflection on you (royal you, not you you) as an individual. I have friends that are so hurt by this whole thing... and the earth will continue to spin.

 

[RustyNails]

Yea but I think that the people who won't vote for hillary think that they were treated more like scrubs then teammates.

And who's fault is that? They dont see DNC giving them 5 chairs on the platform committee versus Hillary's 6 (unprecedented in DNC's history), despite being called corrupt, fraud, bought out and paid for?

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

 

[Aaronrules380]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

Yes.

 

[Risette]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

Yes. It'll just be more true when the polls close tonight.

But she's the presumptive nominee.

 

[Neoweee]

I unfriended both of my conspiracy-theory-driven acquantices through Facebook today. How do you argue with somebody that links to allegations of fraud based on exit polls on a site that also specializes in JFK conspiracy theories? I... I just can't.

And then the other one called me a low-information voter, so fuck that.

 

[rjinaz]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

Not worth the fight if a Sanders supporter wants to hold out imo,
but yeah, it's over.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Another post from my friend after I mentioned there wasn't precedent for a superdelegate shift large enough to give Bernie the nomination:

Yes, of course there is precedent, 2008 Obama Vs Clinton!
The entire idea of Superdelegates isn't just to shift the balance of power from the people to political insiders, it's for exactly this type of situation, where a candidate who has more delegate votes would have trouble beating the Republican nominee.
Not a single Superdelegate vote has been cast yet, so no, the 2,383 required to call it before July 25 CANNOT include Superdelegate votes, like I said. Otherwise we could have pretty much just done a poll-election months ago and called it before anyone actually voted, right?

Then my response:

It looks like around 50 superdelegates switched from Clinton to Obama in 2008, after Obama gained a majority. I wouldn't call that precedent for a situation like now when Hillary has 571 superdelegates to Bernie's 48. It's difficult to imagine anything causing a swing of such proportions that it would make it possible for Bernie to be nominated in July, so that's why I say it's perfectly reasonable to call Mrs. Clinton the presumptive nominee.

 

[BajiBoxer]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

It's true in that unless a very large number of superdelegates change their minds for the convention, Clinton will be the nominee. So Sanders is still technically "in it" mathematically. He will need either a Clinton indictment, or develop mind control powers before the convention.

 

[Vire]

Why is the thread title still like that if it isn't official?

Checked CNN, Yahoo, Fox News, MSNBC. Don't see shit on this.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Why is the thread title still like that if it isn't official?

Checked CNN, Yahoo, Fox News, MSNBC. Don't see shit on this.

uh huh
http://www.cnn.com/election
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/politics/superdelegates-hillary-clinton-nomination/index.html
look at the star next to Hilary's name

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Why is the thread title still like that if it isn't official?

The thread title states that the AP has called the nomination for Clinton.

It's completely accurate. That's exactly what they did yesterday.

 

[Dan]

Another post from my friend after I mentioned there wasn't precedent for a superdelegate shift large enough to give Bernie the nomination:

Yes, of course there is precedent, 2008 Obama Vs Clinton!

LOL, whoever wrote that is a fool. Some superdelegates switched as Obama claimed the lead in both pledged delegates and the popular vote. Bernie is losing both of those metrics by a lot, with no indication he's even going to close the gap, let alone miraculously pull ahead. These Bernie fans want the exact kind of corruption they've ostensibly been railing against, with party leaders choosing their preference against the will of the people.

 

[Vire]

uh huh
http://www.cnn.com/election
look at the star next to Hilary's name

I meant the front page... Nowhere to be found. In fact, most of the sites still talking about Bernie on the front page.

I'm assuming it's because they want you to continue to watch their election coverage tonight.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I meant the front page... Nowhere to be found. In fact, most of the sites still talking about Bernie on the front page.

I'm assuming it's because they want you to continue to watch their election coverage tonight.

Yes, it is. Which is entirely about money

 

[JeTmAn81]

I don't think there is an official "clinching". It's just adding up the numbers. Nothing will truly be official until the Democratic party has its convention. But it's basically impossible for Bernie to win at this point. I think a lot of his supporters, like my friend, are just having a hard time coming to grips with the end of that dream.

 

[3phemeral]

Another post from my friend after I mentioned there wasn't precedent for a superdelegate shift large enough to give Bernie the nomination:



Then my response:

I have a bunch of friends doing this now. I decided to let it go this time. They're eventually going to have face reality sooner or later and digging into them when they're at the peak of their enthusiasm (especially if they're California voters right now), is asking for trouble.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

The thread title states that the AP has called the nomination for Clinton.

It's completely accurate. That's exactly what they did yesterday.

Yeah, and Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates in less than an hour. It's over except for the part where the technical vote doesn't take place for a few weeks, but that's honestly irrelevant. Supers aren't going to flip the vote count (delegate or popular), so that's that.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I don't think there is an official "clinching". It's just adding up the numbers. Nothing will truly be official until the Democratic party has its convention. But it's basically impossible for Bernie to win at this point. I think a lot of his supporters, like my friend, are just having a hard time coming to grips with the end of that dream.

I wish I was enthusiastic about a candidate like that though. Clinton fucking sucks after two terms of King Obama. How did the Democrats not have anyone besides these two dusty candidates, at least the Republicans tossed up like 30 people.

I wonder if I'll even muster enough shits to go vote.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

its not a clinch what part of superdelegates vote at the dnc doesnt anyone understand

she needs pledged delegates to clinch and she needs 500+ of the remaining 700+ remaining so mathmatically this article is 100% false

superdelegates CAN, (not saying WILL) Can swap sides at any time FDR pulled off a superdelegate win when he was behind coming into the Convention sanders COULD (not saying will) Could do the same but swaying around the 500 supers he will need to get the nomination is definitely A very VERY tall order

plus anything could happen between here and the convention HRC could get indicted by the FBI and sanders would win by default becuase putting Biden (an untested nominee) into the nomination seat could make us all play hail to the chief to mr. Trump in january,

in fact HRC's Numbers on Realclear politics really shows that trump could in fact win in november (she is up an average of 2 points thats less than margin of error which i dont know about ANY of you thats scary at this time seeing as we only have 5 months before the general election)

 

[FyreWulff]

I wish I was enthusiastic about a candidate like that though. Clinton fucking sucks after two terms of King Obama. How did the Democrats not have anyone besides these two dusty candidates, at least the Republicans tossed up like 30 people.

I wonder if I'll even muster enough shits to go vote.

Most of the Republican field was repeat candidates

 

[eBay Huckster]

so what part of "RCP arbitrarily leaves polls out of its 'aggregate'" do people not comprehend

 

[Tallshortman]

its not a clinch what part of superdelegates vote at the dnc doesnt anyone understand

she needs pledged delegates to clinch and she needs 500+ of the remaining 700+ remaining so mathmatically this article is 100% false

superdelegates CAN, (not saying WILL) Can swap sides at any time FDR pulled off a superdelegate win when he was behind coming into the Convention sanders COULD (not saying will) Could do the same but swaying around the 500 supers he will need to get the nomination is definitely A very VERY tall order

plus anything could happen between here and the convention HRC could get indicted by the FBI and sanders would win by default becuase putting Biden (an untested nominee) into the nomination seat could make us all play hail to the chief to mr. Trump in january,

in fact HRC's Numbers on Realclear politics really shows that trump could in fact win in november (she is up an average of 2 points thats less than margin of error which i dont know about ANY of you thats scary at this time seeing as we only have 5 months before the general election)

Have you even read the thread or articles? They're calling it based on the number of "I will vote for Hillary" answers from polled superdelegates that would give her the nomination. Do you understand what the word "presumptive" in presumptive nominee is? No one has said she's officially clinched the nomination.

 

[Paskil]

its not a clinch what part of superdelegates vote at the dnc doesnt anyone understand

she needs pledged delegates to clinch and she needs 500+ of the remaining 700+ remaining so mathmatically this article is 100% false

superdelegates CAN, (not saying WILL) Can swap sides at any time FDR pulled off a superdelegate win when he was behind coming into the Convention sanders COULD (not saying will) Could do the same but swaying around the 500 supers he will need to get the nomination is definitely A very VERY tall order

plus anything could happen between here and the convention HRC could get indicted by the FBI and sanders would win by default becuase putting Biden (an untested nominee) into the nomination seat could make us all play hail to the chief to mr. Trump in january,

in fact HRC's Numbers on Realclear politics really shows that trump could in fact win in november (she is up an average of 2 points thats less than margin of error which i dont know about ANY of you thats scary at this time seeing as we only have 5 months before the general election)

Your second line is false. She can clinch with pledged delegates, tonight.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

how should I know?

Spoiler

I just copy pasted a reply to this news from my Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/nazaire73/posts/1009292879124235

 

[DrForester]

Another post from my friend after I mentioned there wasn't precedent for a superdelegate shift large enough to give Bernie the nomination:



Then my response:

While it wouldn't affect this election, Hillary won, plain and simple, I do hope the Superdelegate rules change. Because a guy having 40% of the vote getting about 10% of the Super delegates is pretty shady. As was a bunch of them pledging support before the primaries began.

 

[SummitAve]

Ignoring everything else, it does seem a bit questionable that the AP broke that they themselves have made this determination. You're supposed to be reporting the news. It's about ethics in journalism yo.

 

[Already Torn]

So whats the deal with this is this true?

Just got into a fight with my gf for saying Hilary won already. :/
Then I see my facebook blowing up saying its not over.

It's true assuming Hillary doesn't get eaten by an alligator before the DNC.

Ignoring everything else, it does seem a bit questionable that the AP broke that they themselves have made this determination. You're supposed to be reporting the news. It's about ethics in journalism yo.

It's a scoop!

 

[Vice]

its not a clinch what part of superdelegates vote at the dnc doesnt anyone understand

she needs pledged delegates to clinch and she needs 500+ of the remaining 700+ remaining so mathmatically this article is 100% false

superdelegates CAN, (not saying WILL) Can swap sides at any time FDR pulled off a superdelegate win when he was behind coming into the Convention sanders COULD (not saying will) Could do the same but swaying around the 500 supers he will need to get the nomination is definitely A very VERY tall order

plus anything could happen between here and the convention HRC could get indicted by the FBI and sanders would win by default becuase putting Biden (an untested nominee) into the nomination seat could make us all play hail to the chief to mr. Trump in january,

in fact HRC's Numbers on Realclear politics really shows that trump could in fact win in november (she is up an average of 2 points thats less than margin of error which i dont know about ANY of you thats scary at this time seeing as we only have 5 months before the general election)

From everything I can tell, FDR was the frontrunner going into the convention. I think he was only 100 delegates short of the nomination. Like 600/700 needed at the time.

A source for that: http://campaigningforhistory.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/fdrs-rough-road-to-nomination/?_r=0

 

[Risette]

Ignoring everything else, it does seem a bit questionable that the AP broke that they themselves have made this determination. You're supposed to be reporting the news. It's about ethics in journalism yo.

They contacted the undecided superdelegates first. Don't see the problem here.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Ignoring everything else, it does seem a bit questionable that the AP broke that they themselves have made this determination. You're supposed to be reporting the news. It's about ethics in journalism yo.

Is it about ethics, don't they have to try to break a big story first?

I this this https://youtu.be/_S2G8jhhUHg
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Primaries and Caucuses is closer to real Journalism than what AP just did

 

[Vire]

They contacted the undecided superdelegates first. Don't see the problem here.

Don't see the problem that the AP suspiciously announce the night before voting in major states like California thereby deterring potential voters from going out and voting since it's already "over"?

It's pretty fucked actually.

 

[xxracerxx]

Don't see the problem that the AP suspiciously announce the night before voting in major states like California thereby deterring potential voters from going out and voting since it's already "over"?

It's pretty fucked actually.

The writing has been on the wall for awhile now for Sanders, if this little article swayed people from going to the polls that is on them.

 

[Vice]

Ignoring everything else, it does seem a bit questionable that the AP broke that they themselves have made this determination. You're supposed to be reporting the news. It's about ethics in journalism yo.

Not especially, they have dozens of people covering the election and if their math and sources work out to the truth, or as close to truth as one can get, then it's news. They used their info gathering skills and basic math to make the announcement. It's what they use to break many stories.

Don't see the problem that the AP suspiciously announce the night before voting in major states like California thereby deterring potential voters from going out and voting since it's already "over"?

It's pretty fucked actually.

It's just one of many important things people in those states can vote on that day.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Don't see the problem that the AP suspiciously announce the night before voting in major states like California thereby deterring potential voters from going out and voting since it's already "over"?

It's pretty fucked actually.

This is more likely to hurt Hilary than Sanders you know. Sanders supporters have the justification of trying to prove the press wrong. Hilary supporters are the ones who lose a reason to vote

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I think Trump has a chance if he could learn how to stop shooting himself in the foot with the Judge stuff

Have you even read the thread or articles? They're calling it based on the number of "I will vote for Hillary" answers from polled superdelegates that would give her the nomination. Do you understand what the word "presumptive" in presumptive nominee is? No one has said she's officially clinched the nomination.

Your second line is false. She can clinch with pledged delegates, tonight.

From everything I can tell, FDR was the frontrunner going into the convention. I think he was only 100 delegates short of the nomination. Like 600/700 needed at the time.

A source for that: http://campaigningforhistory.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/fdrs-rough-road-to-nomination/?_r=0

You can't stop Sanders with this crocked logic

 

[Vire]

The writing has been on the wall for awhile now for Sanders, if this little article swayed people from going to the polls that is on them.

To be honest, I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm so disenfranchised with the whole process and despise all of the candidates...but I'd love for Bernie to win all the states tonight and narrow the gap in terms of the 2026 pledged delegates, only to expose how incredibly corrupt the whole process is with super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

 

[Fat4all]

To be honest, I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm so disenfranchised with the whole process and despise all of the candidates...but I'd love for Bernie to win all the states tonight and narrow the gap in terms of the 2026 pledged delegates, only to expose how incredibly corrupt the whole process is with super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

Well apparently NJ was just called for Hillary.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

To be honest, I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm so disenfranchised with the whole process and despise all of the candidates...but I'd love for Bernie to win all the states tonight and narrow the gap in terms of the 2026 pledged delegates, only to expose how incredibly corrupt the whole process is with super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

She'd win without them too. That's how big her lead is and how much better she's done by actual normal voters.

 

[Tubie]

To be honest, I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm so disenfranchised with the whole process and despise all of the candidates...but I'd love for Bernie to win all the states tonight and narrow the gap in terms of the 2026 pledged delegates, only to expose how incredibly corrupt the whole process is with super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

Super delegates are big businesses and corporations?

wtf...

 

[FyreWulff]

To be honest, I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm so disenfranchised with the whole process and despise all of the candidates...but I'd love for Bernie to win all the states tonight and narrow the gap in terms of the 2026 pledged delegates, only to expose how incredibly corrupt the whole process is with super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

Superdelegates have always backed the popular vote winner. They're the "emergency: break glass" of the Dem primary process.

Republicans will almost assuredly be implementing them soon.

 

[xxracerxx]

super delegates who are really just big business and corporations backing Hillary because it's in their best interest.

Come again?

If corporations are people, are people now also corporations?

But who is big business?

The children! Finally, someone thought of the children!

 

[Tallshortman]

Super delegates are big businesses and corporations?

wtf...

If corporations are people, are people now also corporations?

I think he's on to something!

 

[sk3]

Superdelegates have always backed the popular vote winner. They're the "emergency: break glass" of the Dem primary process.

Republicans will almost assuredly be implementing them soon.

The issue is what effect that has on voters and future turnout. It's really shitty to call a bunch of superdelegates the previous night and declare a winner the day before a lot of primaries. I'd bet a lot of people would hear that "news" in the morning and decide not to go vote.

Edit: or how most news sites were reporting Hilary's 600+ delegate lead before a single primary vote was cast.

 

[lenovox1]

Don't see the problem that the AP suspiciously announce the night before voting in major states like California thereby deterring potential voters from going out and voting since it's already "over"?

It's pretty fucked actually.

The AP reported the news when they got the fucking numbers they needed to report the news.

Of all the news organizations to attack... Jesus Christ...

 

[xxracerxx]

The issue is what effect that has on voters and future turnout. It's really shitty to call a bunch of superdelegates the previous night and declare a winner the day before a lot of primaries. I'd bet a lot of people would hear that "news" in the morning and decide not to go vote.

If those people don't know what presumptive means, that is on them. Plus as another person here said, this would more likely make Clinton supporters less likely to vote than Sanders supporters.