and if that guy had a knife, or no gun
do you think those 50 people would have died?
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Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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and if that guy had a knife, or no gun
do you think those 50 people would have died?
Neko Mimi Mode
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Simply horrible.
And you, keep on finding ways to dance around the motive behind Islamic Terrorism.
And you, keep on finding ways to dance around the motive behind Islamic Terrorism.
thenight11
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
1940s Europe is not the same as today's middleEast, huge historical difference.
and....we WERE in the MidEast in the 1940-on lol, WE had a hand on how fuck the MidEast(and Africa) are right now.
OrbitalBeard
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Except most rational Americans have no interest in taking away the right to bear arms. Unlike the far-right, we simply want to see changes made to the process of owning a firearm.
Unfortunately, people like you will continue to make it impossible for anything positive to come to fruition.
America really has a weird "ME RIGHT!!!" culture...
Especially considering the wording of said second amendment. As I read it, it means the militia has the right to be armed. And that's not taking in consideration that amendment was written centuries ago, where the situation was quite different to today.
But even disregarding that, that right is already infringed, as you can't own an automatic weapon for example.
And this a both an extremist and gun issue, or how else do you explain these numbers?:
So no gun deaths should happen then? Such a poor argument. Looking at the average number of gun death per 100,000 is more relevant at least:
Cant tell if this is sarcastic post or not.
WanderingWind
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And I would like to chime in and inform you that the nobody is interested in having a conversation with cowards who hide behind empty rhetoric and ancient words as if they hold some sacred, unalterable power. The Constitution can be amended. Let's start the conversation with this. Fuck your guns.
Yeah, because Germany wasn't totally split into two for most of the last century, the same with Korea for the last 70 years.
Wow, just wow.
Already Torn
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Surely one can acknowledge that people use guns for a multitude of reasons and still believe that guns should be regulated, if only because it's the easiest way to put a roadblock in the way of potential terrorists?
You'd still be able to hunt. Gun control is also one of the most efficient ways to combat ISIS style domestic terrorism.
Great "only my people know what's good for the country" that sounds fantastic and not childish at all.
I don't own a gun, I've been in the US for 26 years and I have seen a gun outside of a police officer one time, when I went to a gun range in SFL 6 years ago. We (immigrants) come here for the freedoms that we enjoy and the rights we are given as US citizens. You keep being dismissive and drive people away with your rhetoric though.
There is indeed a problem with fanatic dogma. It just so happens that yours appears to be the constitution. Stop treating it as infallible.
MadLaughter
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The american 'right' to own guns was written by men. Not a 'God', not some divine being with supreme omnipotence.
It was written at a time where we didn't have weapons 1/10th as deadly as what we have now. Perhaps we should AMEND it to reflect modern realities.
It was written at a time where we didn't have weapons 1/10th as deadly as what we have now. Perhaps we should AMEND it to reflect modern realities.
1. The GOP blocked that previously.
2. Done that already. It's really just meaningless rhetoric anyone.
3. Probably already doing that at Gitmo and other black sites.
4. Riiiiight. OK, firstly, ISIS wants the US to invade Syria and Iraq. And any invasion would likely see US forces coming to blows with Russian forces there. Also it would probably require Iraq War levels of troop commitments and funding to pull off, at a time when the US forces are winding down from years of fighting in two countries.
Having said that US SOCOM are extremely active in eastern Syria and Iraq so boosting special forces numbers in both countries would make sense, as would bolstering military support to the Iraqi Army and SDF, both of whom are making great strides against ISIS in the region.
ISIS territory shrinks by the day, stay the course.
5. "Keep those countries for ourselves"?! Umm, what? You mean annex them as US territories or just maintain an open ended occupation force in the two countries? Yeah, good luck with that.
6. Pretty sure that would have the opposite effect actually.
GeordieMark
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Lets call a spade a spade. This is an islamic terrorism issue too. The guy supported ISIS.
Lys Skygge
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Its a stupid fucking hobby. Its a right that we don't deserve and needs to be wiped from the constitution.
Doc Holliday
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If you ban guns completely, they will eventually be gone. Maybe not right now, maybe not in a decade either but they will dissapear.
If you do an outright gun ban, manufacturers will not be able to sell more. The only ones left will be the ones already in the wild and they will evetually stop working and their owners will die of old age. The police will slowly confiscate the ones from arrested criminals and those who volunteer their weapons via buyback programs.
It's not that hard, we just don't have the will to do it. We do have the 2nd ammendent, so I'd rather we don't ban them until that law gets changed. Until then I say some common sense gun control laws would be a nice start.
Epsilon-delta
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As another veteran, this post is spot on. Full auto wastes so much ammo as well. Even 3-round burst is less accurate than semi-auto from range.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Rights aren't unbendable laws from a ruling God. The right to bear arms itself comes from an amendment to a document. We can amend that document again, considering the people who wrote the original didn't even have modern fucking plumbing, let alone easy access to semi-automatic rifles.
"fuck your rights" is all you said.
Arrogant Bastard
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Hell it doesn't have to be amended, that is what always gets me about this discussion. The 2nd Amendment does not give you an absolute right to keep and bear arms, we have seen this in various cases and situations.
How to stop mass shootings:
1. Spend a couple Trillion dollars destroying ISIS
2. Strongly tut those who might want to make another terrorist group after we destroy ISIS
3. Fix the mental health crisis
4. Do everything except remove the weapons that cause these massacres
1. Spend a couple Trillion dollars destroying ISIS
2. Strongly tut those who might want to make another terrorist group after we destroy ISIS
3. Fix the mental health crisis
4. Do everything except remove the weapons that cause these massacres
Dreams-Visions
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Yea I see some on GunBroker.com for < $600. I didn't realize they were so cheap now. Great news! :-/
Indeed. But seems like nobody has the will to tell the NRA to fuck right off.
None of these directly address the problem of mass-murdering, terrorist white males who have been and continue to be the primary source of these sorts of events.
please answer the question of how this isn't a gun issue despite 50 people having been killed because of it
Big Baybee
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They "claimed responsibility", but the dude's own wife describes him as barely religious
jellies_two
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Nothing changed with gun laws after Virginia tech,the previous #1 body count, - and he wasn't even faintly associated with overseas terrorism - so why exactly would this be more of a learning moment for USA?
Robot Pants
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I don't even want to think about how much worse this has to get before something is done about guns in this country.
smokeandmirrors
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with the state of the country and republican party you're damned right they don't deserve a seat at this table after all their bullshit obstructionist policies and outright ignoring facts. Lets not forget the blood on their hands from the Planned Parenthood killings a couple months ago.
and if im driving people like you away with my rhetoric, good. No one needs to listen to people like you.
Nialrot
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Senator Bill Nelson did state on local television (I live in Orlando) that ISIS did claim responsibility. However FBI is trying to confirm if true.
Freezie KO
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Both liberals and conservatives deserve to take some blame for this one.
Many conservatives reject gun control, despite all statistics showing that getting rid of guns drastically reduces murder rates and gun fatalities.
And many liberals have coddled the illiberal aspects of Islam (like anti-gay, anti-woman, etc.) and hid behind criticisms of xenophobia, Islamophobia, or foreign policy debates.
And in all these debates, let's not forget that the shooter was the one with the most agency. He made the choice to become a killer.
Many conservatives reject gun control, despite all statistics showing that getting rid of guns drastically reduces murder rates and gun fatalities.
And many liberals have coddled the illiberal aspects of Islam (like anti-gay, anti-woman, etc.) and hid behind criticisms of xenophobia, Islamophobia, or foreign policy debates.
And in all these debates, let's not forget that the shooter was the one with the most agency. He made the choice to become a killer.
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I'm blaming the guy. Not the gun.
WanderingWind
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You are too stupid to be holding this conversation. Go Google what an "amendment" is, then come back to the grown-ups table.
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No, it's easier for America to make changes to our gun laws. Both are problems.
At one point in American history, blacks had no rights, women couldn't vote, and Americans couldn't even drink alcohol for a while. Rights change and can be changed.
No, fuck that one right, as it has no place in a modern society.
Yep, that's the same thing as the dudes who believe that the 7th century Coran is still valid. They treat the Constitution as holy text when it is a political compromise that is more than 200 years old. Some things must stay, some don't, and there is a right for people to have a debate on this and maybe amend it. This is why we're in a democracy.
entremet
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He did pledge allegiance to ISIS. That is verifiable fact now.
Captain Tuttle
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50???? Christ, he massacred them.
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Already Torn
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This guy was an American though. Would the problems have been solved if liberals had told him he was an asshole for being Muslim? And he wasn't even religious.
Invading Iraq directly lead to the creation of ISIS...
Also advocating the use of countries as literal human shields. Fuck 'em, eh? They're only brown people in poor countries. Not like they count as human.
Not to be even more on NeoGaf's shit list but the majority of gun violence exists in inner cities. America has an inner city crime problem, related heavily with guns. That's it. Even Chicago has only several blocks of completely unacceptable terrain where I would not recommend going. Just look @ a map of where gun violence occurs. To paint a brush stroke over 300+million people in such a large land mass is absurd.
Dreamwriter
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No, to my knowledge ISIS has not claimed responsibility, the shooter called 911 and pledged support to ISIS, and mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers. It's very possible that he was BSing, or even if he was a sympathizer did it all on his own.
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