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[astroturfing]

the father just sounds like he's in denial. Homophobia doesn't drive someone to this scale of murder.

it was probably a combination of things. irrational hatred of gays, violent nature, something wrong with his brain (possible tumor, repeated hits to the prefrontal cortex, paranoid schizophrenia, psychopathy)... then add a fascination with an extremist ideology, and you get the most terrible result.

 

[partyphone]

you can hunt with a bow and arrow, too. seems like it would be more "fun".

 

[TyrantII]

The Boston bombs?

As a Bostonian, don't.

As shitty as that was, they wernt able to do much damage. They also tried buying weapons, but were denied because of strict firearms laws in Massachusetts.

So, it could have been much worse.

 

[Jackpot]

even mild gun control laws can't get passed here.

even government research on gun crime is banned.

 

[FyreWulff]

The Boston bombs?

Different bomb style. Those were basically pipe bombs on steroids.

The OKC Ryder Truck bomb was a mix of various stuff including farming chemicals. Those chemicals are now traced, tracked, you have to have proof you need them, and even then they now have adulterants added to make them harder to make into a bomb.

 

[Monocle]

No, to put food on the table.

There's stores for that. Yesterday I bought some chicken. Didn't even have to chase it around the yard! Remarkable.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Sure, and I think that's a noble thing to do. But by ignoring the driving ideology behind this attack, we also shut down important discussions about radical Islam that we should be having.

I dunno, seems like theres plenty of discussion about Islamic extremists lately.

 

[zero_suit]

even government research on gun crime is banned.

And we all know why...

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Strick gun laws and limited access to explosives didn't stop the terrorists in France and it won't stop the terrorists in the United States. Religious zealotry is the root of the problem and as long as there are intolerant religious zealots in the world who are brain washing people through a warped ideology, attacks like this will continue, both here in America and abroad.

See guys, strict laws don't stop all attacks so no need to have strict laws. It's that simple. It isn't possible. But what we can do is stomp out religious zealotry and the warped ideology that wants to harm America. I'm sure that will be easy.

That would certainly be ruled unconstitutional.

I'm sure that is why the GOP was against it.

 

[knkng]

At this point I'd want an investigation to see if the shooter was influenced by this imam.

The shooter wasn't from Orlando, so it probably wasn't this one specifically. But don't worry, there are many more out there recruiting people to hate and kill homosexuals.

Hey, I've got an idea. How about after we ban or restrict the sale of guns, we also ban the promotion of hatred and murder via religious ideology? But then we might have to pull some popular books off the market, and that would upset a lot of people.

 

[cyberheater]

even government research on gun crime is banned.

What?

 

[DragonSworne]

I'd just like to chime in and say that owning a gun is a right. Dismissing it as a hobby is disgusting. It's a fundamental American right and until we start there, no one from 'the right' is going to have a conversation with you.

This is not a guns right case, this is a Muslim / terrorist issue.

If it such a fundamental right then why treat it so casually as a hobby?

It starts with you guys, the "responsible" gun owners. Take a look at your guns, imagine all the dead people this morning, and ask if all this is really important, the right to bear arms.

 

[The Technomancer]

Clinton's statement.

I join Americans in praying for the victims of the attack in Orlando, their families and the first responders who did everything they could to save lives.
This was an act of terror. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are hard at work, and we will learn more in the hours and days ahead. For now, we can say for certain that we need to redouble our efforts to defend our country from threats at home and abroad. That means defeating international terror groups, working with allies and partners to go after them wherever they are, countering their attempts to recruit people here and everywhere, and hardening our defenses at home. It also means refusing to be intimidated and staying true to our values.
This was also an act of hate. The gunman attacked an LGBT nightclub during Pride Month. To the LGBT community: please know that you have millions of allies across our country. I am one of them. We will keep fighting for your right to live freely, openly and without fear. Hate has absolutely no place in America.
Finally, we need to keep guns like the ones used last night out of the hands of terrorists or other violent criminals. This is the deadliest mass shooting in the history of the United States and it reminds us once more that weapons of war have no place on our streets.
This is a time to stand together and resolve to do everything we can to defend our communities and country.

 

[diaspora]

What?

The CDC isn't allowed to conduct research into gun violence iirc.

 

[SparkleMotion]

It saddens me that so many put the convenience of buying guns slightly quicker over the value of the lives of fellow civilians.

 

[CertifiedFP]

Before, I was pretty sure you were kidding. Now you got me all confused and shit.

Let's not sidestep this topic.

Trump WILL and IS using this horrific tragedy as potent fuel for his campaign. If he can get the hearts of minds of the average pleb in America that believes everything authority tells them then we are all in serious trouble come November.

He's built his entire presidential run on racism and Islamaphobia. This massacre is his wet dream.

 

[holygeesus]

ISIS didn't do shit for this guy. Them claiming responsibility is laughable.

They have implored lone wolf attacks in their name though. It will be interesting to see if any of the victims are on this list. If so, scary stuff.

http://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...m-beach-treasure-coast-residents-ex-fbi-agent

 

[TyrantII]

What?

Yup, the NRA is so powerful that it's illegal to use federal research dollars on gun and gun crime research.

 

[MihowZa]

even mild gun control laws can't get passed here. it's abhorrent. they tried to make it illegal for people on the terrorist watch list to buy a gun but it was voted down because it's too easy to get onto that list by mistake. the grotesqueness of it is beautiful in a way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

"In 2013 alone, 468,749 watch-list nominations were submitted to the National Counterterrorism Center. It rejected only 1 percent of the recommendations."

So we have 450,000 suspected terrorists in the US?

It seems problematic to me that the gov't can strip you of your rights by placing you on a list.

Maybe this conversation is better had after a cool off period of a few weeks?

 

[Jackpot]

No, to put food on the table.

You explicitly said "for recreation".

Your family goes hungry if you don't find a rabbit? Do you scrounge up grubs and roots survivalist-style if you can't find something to shoot? No? You're not shooting things for necessity, you're shooting for fun.

 

[Acerac]

even government research on gun crime is banned.

To this day, this is the funniest thing in politics to me outside of lobbyists.

What the fuck did you think would happen with these systems in place?

 

[zero_suit]

It saddens me that so many put the convenience of buying guns slightly quicker over the value of the lives of fellow civilians.

I'm dumbfounded, honestly.

 

[UberTag]

Obama was literally driven to tears on live TV at his frustration at the inability to get some form of gun control enacted, despite having the popular sentiment and despite the reams of statistics literally saying "DO THIS AND LESS PEOPLE WILL DIE".

Because one specific industry outspends any other on lobbying to keep their profits flowing.

It's really not Obama that people should be demanding resign.

You know, if the president is incapable of doing anything to help address this issue then I would surmise that the true domestic terrorist organization at the root of the problem isn't ISIS but the NRA.

 

[Gattsu25]

Reporters asking how in the heck was he able to get a gun legally if he'd been investigated for terrorism.

Didn't Obama just have a town hall where he expressed frustration that the government knows about radicalized youth who are stocking up on guns and they can't do anything because the "terror suspects can't buy guns" law was blocked by the NRA?

 

[Condom]

Man I really hope this doesn't mean America is going to be 'great again'.

 

[Big Baybee]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

"In 2013 alone, 468,749 watch-list nominations were submitted to the National Counterterrorism Center. It rejected only 1 percent of the recommendations."

So we have 450,000 suspected terrorists in the US?

It seems problematic to me that the gov't can strip you of your rights by placing you on a list.

Maybe this conversation is better had after a cool off period of a few weeks?

450,000 people in a country of over 300 million.......

 

[everyday math]

As a Bostonian, don't.

As shitty as that was, they wernt able to do much damage. They also tried buying weapons, but were denied because of strict firearms laws in Massachusetts.

So, it could have been much worse.

Different bomb style. Those were basically pipe bombs on steroids.

The OKC Ryder Truck bomb was a mix of various stuff including farming chemicals. Those chemicals are now traced, tracked, you have to have proof you need them, and even then they now have adulterants added to make them harder to make into a bomb.

I was just stating that we have had recent issue with this. But! With good laws we've stopped probably tons of people from making more.
It's ridiculous that we can make laws for this, but not guns.

 

[Lead]

You explicitly said "for recreation".

Your family goes hungry if you don't find a rabbit? Do you scrounge up grubs and roots survivalist-style if you can't find something to shoot? No? You're not shooting things for necessity, you're shooting for fun.

If English is not your primary language you're excused, otherwise I'm done with you for good.

Read my post again.

 

[MihowZa]

If it such a fundamental right then why treat it so casually as a hobby?

It starts with you guys, the "responsible" gun owners. Take a look at your guns, imagine all the dead people this morning, and ask if all this is really important, the right to bear arms.

For the third time, I don't own a gun and have only fired one once *which is also the only time I've ever seen a gun in my 26 years in the US outside of a police officer*

I'm merely speaking up about my rights, as viewed from my perspective as an immigrant to a country I love.

 

[Havoc2049]

This is specious reasoning. You have no idea how many more terrorist attacks or mass shootings would have occurred in France if not for strict gun laws.

You are basically proving my point, religious zealotry is the root of the problem. Why should we give up our rights because of these assholes? Weather that is the right to legally own a gun or the right to attend a gay nightclub. Don't give in to these assholes.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What?

It's true. The NRA lobbied hard to make sure the CDC and other groups are not allowed to research gun violence. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

[linkboy]

What?

The NRA and GOP has made it illegal for the CDC to investigate it, going on 20 years now.

 

[Palette Swap]

That would certainly be ruled unconstitutional.

Considering the number of things that should have been deemed unconstitutional that have been done in the name of fighting terrorism (like no warrants or fair trials), it's a bit peculiar that this is the right that would be left untouched.

 

[Jeffolation]

The CDC isn't allowed to conduct research into gun violence iirc.

Which is insane.

 

[Alavard]

Maybe this conversation is better had after a cool off period of a few weeks?

Well, maybe if the US could go a few weeks without a mass shooting...

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

"In 2013 alone, 468,749 watch-list nominations were submitted to the National Counterterrorism Center. It rejected only 1 percent of the recommendations."

So we have 450,000 suspected terrorists in the US?

It seems problematic to me that the gov't can strip you of your rights by placing you on a list.

Maybe this conversation is better had after a cool off period of a few weeks?

In a country of 300 + million, 450k people who shouldn't be able to buy a gun is not surprising.

 

[Kemal86]

Maybe this conversation is better had after a cool off period of a few weeks?

Are you fucking serious with this shit?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Considering the number of things that should have been deemed unconstitutional that have been done in the name of fighting terrorism (like no warrants or fair trials), it's a bit peculiar that this is the right that would be left untouched.

Cause guns.

You are basically proving my point, religious zealotry is the root of the problem. Why should we give up our rights because of these assholes? Weather that is the right to legally own a gun or the right to attend a gay nightclub. Don't give in to these assholes.

Please tell me this a joke. We cannot give up our freedom to own guns and continue to have mass shootings in our streets cause the terrorists would win.

 

[SparkleMotion]

For the third time, I don't own a gun and have only fired one once *which is also the only time I've ever seen a gun in my 26 years in the US outside of a police officer*

I'm merely speaking up about my rights, as viewed from my perspective as an immigrant to a country I love.

Why do you keep mentioning that you haven't seen any guns personally? Is this an "out of sight, out of mind" viewpoint?

 

[Revolver]

Heard from my in-law that one of his friends is among those that were killed and another is in critical condition. He's understandably devastated. My heart just breaks for the victims and their families and friends. Also fuck Trump for patting himself on the back over this.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Let's not sidestep this topic.

Trump WILL and IS using this horrific tragedy as potent fuel for his campaign. If he can get the hearts of minds of the average pleb in America that believes everything authority tells them then we are all in serious trouble come November.

He's built his entire presidential run on racism and Islamaphobia. This massacre is his wet dream.

This is true, this is a key event for Trump. If he plays the card well he'll get the seat.

 

[BearPawB]

I own a gun
I really like shooting it.
It's a lot of fun

I'd give it up in a heartbeat if it meant another one of these shootings never occurred again

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Just saw an ad on IGN's stream for giving blood. My wife is O positive but we live in NY. Should she still go give?

 

[everyday math]

fuck man no one is taking away your guns. Why do people always escalate it to that? We can have both.

 

[Karkador]

I own a gun
I really like shooting it.
It's a lot of fun

I'd give it up in a heartbeat if it meant another one of these shootings never occurred again

Thank you

 

[Toxi]

You are basically proving my point, religious zealotry is the root of the problem. Why should we give up our rights because of these assholes? Weather that is the right to legally own a gun or the right to attend a gay nightclub. Don't give in to these assholes.

BECAUSE THIS KEEPS HAPPENING IN THE US

Tell me, was Sandy Hook religiously motivated?

Aurora?

Virginia Tech?

Columbine?

 

[MihowZa]

Why do you keep mentioning that you haven't seen any guns personally? Is this an "out of sight, out of mind" viewpoint?

Because people make pretend that the US is a gun culture, full of guns everyone we look, full of gun violence everywhere we look. None of it is true.

 

[SparkleMotion]

Because people make pretend that the US is a gun culture, full of guns everyone we look, full of gun violence everywhere we look. None of it is true.

Uhhh.

 

[cyberheater]

Yup, the NRA is so powerful that it's illegal to use federal research dollars on gun and gun crime research.

That's crazy. America is one fucked up country.

 

[Officerrob]

You know, if the president is incapable of doing anything to help address this issue then I would surmise that the true domestic terrorist organization at the root of the problem isn't ISIS but the NRA.

I'd be inclined to agree