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Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]

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@PattersonNBC Suspect in #SantaMonica identified. Police find a "five gallon bucket of explosive material" @NBCNews
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That fucker had the potential to kill even more people.
 
EdibleKnife said:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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That is the Old Testament. Paul in Galations 5:1 refers to to the old law as "the yoke of slavery" and how Jesus set them free from it. He calls it a curse.

When you want to use Leviticus as a tool to show how the bible condemns homosexuality by death, you should choose a different scipture. Not sure if there is one. Just saying.
 
What else happened in Orlando?

LookAtMeGo said:
That is the Old Testament. Paul in Galations 5:1 refers to to the old law as "the yoke of slavery" and how Jesus set them free from it.

When you want to use Leviticus as a tool to show how the bible condemns homosexuality by death, you should choose a different scipture. Not sure if there is one. Just saying.
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There's a great picture of a guy with that line from Leviticus tattooed on his arm, and the caption below is another quote from Leviticus that bans/condemns tattoos. People are so stupid.
 
Mr. Giggles said:
Just reading up now. But wtf, he purchased a handgun and long gun legally?

RIP to the victims
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Yep, less than two weeks ago Obama said this at a town hall

I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I’ve got people who we know have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun. This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer. And if he wants to walk into a gun store or a gun show right now and buy as many weapons and ammo as he can, nothing is prohibiting him from doing that, even though the FBI knows who that person is.

So, sir, I just have to say respectfully that there is a way for us to have common-sense gun laws. There is a way for us to make sure that lawful, responsible gun owners like yourself are able to use it for sporting, hunting, and protecting yourself. But the only way we’re going to do that is if we don’t have a situation in which anything that is proposed is viewed as some tyrannical destruction of the Second Amendment. And that’s how the issue too often gets framed.
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http://fusion.net/story/313013/obama-gun-control-perfect-response/
 
ISIS claimed responsibility, that is pretty big news. Even if it was a lone wolf who was inspired by ISIS, the fact that ISIS has given its blessing and is claiming responsibility is a harbinger of bad things to come.

I pray for those who died, and we need to do things to make sure it doesn't happen again, like I don't know...... restricting people on terror watch lists from buying guns. I am no gun control person, but that seems reasonable to me. This person had no right to have a gun, and 50+ people would be alive today had this person been given the proper gun restrictions.
 
Jedi2016 said:
We can't even enforce the gun laws we have now. Putting more laws on the books that won't be enforced doesn't seem like a solution to me.
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Here's a law that can be enforced: All guns are now illegal. No more guns for Americans because we aren't smart enough to have them.
 
Blader said:
Strict gun control in Chicago is useless because you drive to the next state or country over and bring back as many guns as you like. That's why gun control on a city-by-city basis is not an effective approach.
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Obama talked about this in a good video about gun violence a week ago
 
beast786 said:
Edit: on a side note. There is punishment of homosexuality in Quran ( regarding one of your link)

If two men among you are guilty of lewdness punish them both. If they repent and amend leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning Most Merciful. Quran 4:16
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Which translation is this? I've never seen "two men" mentioned in the versions I've read. That passage was about adultery (unlawful couples), with respect to a woman's honour.

Edit: Found it; Yusuf Ali's.
 
Suikoguy said:
Huh? The FBI could not stop him from getting a gun.
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I think once you're on the FBI watch list, guns should be taken away, but I don't make the rules. It's all sad.

Hcoregamer00 said:
I pray for those who died, and we need to do things to make sure it doesn't happen again, like I don't know...... restricting people on terror watch lists from buying guns. I am no gun control person, but that seems reasonable to me. This person had no right to have a gun, and 50+ people would be alive today had this person been given the proper gun restrictions.
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Yup. I can't believe this isn't in place decades ago.
 
Diffense said:
I know some people think antireligion is bigoted but if these people (Christians, Muslims etc) have no problem passionately hating gays for something they CAN'T change I have no problem hating them for something they CAN change/leave: their crazy religions. They've certainly "made a choice".
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The Islamic Society of North America (the largest - by far - Muslim group in the US) has for many years supported and even lobbied Congress for LGBT anti-discrimination legislation. Just as there are many LGBT-friendly churches, there are also numerous LGBT-friendly mosques and Islamic meeting places in the US.

Homophobic interpretations of Islam are not representative of American Muslims.
 
Fucking hell! When I saw the title last night I thought it was one or two people who were shot which was bad enough, and then I wake up to this. So sad and angry right now.
 
Crazyorloco said:
I think once you're on the FBI watch list, guns should be taken away, but I don't make the rules. It's all sad.



Yup. I can't believe this isn't in place decades ago.
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So do you hate all civil liberties or just the fifth and second amendments. Please tell me what other rights you'd like to violate and other things you would like the government to make lists about to control it's citizens. Sounds like authoritarianism to me.
 
emag said:
The Islamic Society of North America (the largest - by far - Muslim group in the US) has for many years supported and even lobbied Congress for LGBT anti-discrimination legislation. Just as there are many LGBT-friendly churches, there are also numerous LGBT-friendly mosques and Islamic meeting places in the US.
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But the majority of believers in these archaic Abrahamic religions still hold disgusting, violent, bigoted beliefs about LGBT individuals.

There are millions of Jewish, Christian and Muslim people who are very progressive when it comes to LGBT rights, but they are in the minority and I don't think their existence should stop us from calling out the majority's tendencies of hatred and violence.
 
I don't see why anyone should care what the US constitution currently says. You're treating like it's some religious document.

The goal should be enact legislation that forms a happy, healthy and safe society. If there's an amendment in the current constitution that prevents that, it should be removed.
 
LizardKing said:
So do you hate all civil liberties or just the fifth and second amendments. Please tell me what other rights you'd like to violate.
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I just think if you're on a watch list your gun/bare arms rights should be taken away. There should be exceptions, That is all. Just add another damn amendment for that. Last night would be different.
 
A Link to the Past said:
Serious question - does the second amendment's text allow for exceptions to the right to own guns in any way?
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You can be denied a gun if you don't pass the background check. Reasons can include having a felony on your record to having a serious mental problem. These things aren't put on your record without due process. The issue is that a government watch-list doesn't allow for due process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause
 
A Link to the Past said:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/...ve-sex-marriage-white-evangelical-christians/

Neither are very impressive statistics for their respective groups of course



Why do people like you think that you can make such an obviously untrue statement in a big thread like this without getting called out on it
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There is a difference, yes both are WRONG and a serious problem but one seems to imply God will take the gay individual out while the other seems to command the killing of, which is what happened last night, unfortunately... I am sad and pissed at their loss (and this attack)
 
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