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[FacelessSamurai]

What? Are they applying "HDR" to yet ANOTHER separate thing?

Here is what it has been before:

In photography: You take the same photo at different exposure levels and then merge them so no whites are blown out and no blacks are crushed. It essentially increases captured detail across a wide contrast beyond what our current technologies can do at once.

In videogames: When switching between indoors and outdoors environments the game dynamically manages its own sense of exposure level between different forms of lighting and thus emulates what your eyes naturally do. Was really slow and sloppy in previous years but has made great improvements, now doing very well in games like Dragon Age Inquisition to even improve atmosphere in rain and tree shade and such.

In displays: When you're watching a movie and the scene is dark or bright, the TV artificially increases or decreases its exposure/gamma levels on the fly to try and maintain a theoretical midrange on the most detail to make the image pop. In practice all it does is shit all over the filmmaker's intention in every single shot, usually destroys detail in some way or another, over-brightens things that are intended to be dark, and since it is not properly instantaneous/fluid it creates a horribly inconsistent viewing experience like the cameraman was some moron constantly adjusting exposure to help himself see things through the eyepiece.

Seeing as how there is so much protest to my post and with this clue about it being a feature of 4k, I can only assume that they are now using "HDR" as a way of describing increased contrast ratio. If that is the case, then of course I don't mind a higher range of contrast, but I am annoyed with them taking a term for a camera ability (the contrast ratio that a camera can capture across is called the "dynamic range" of a camera because it is actively capturing it, hence dynamic, whereas video output is static) and then to describe an increase in this, merging yet another separate thing into the "High Dynamic Range" term. They could easily say High Contrast Ratio if that is what they mean, but "HDR" has already been pushed as a buzzword for years.

HDR in 4K TVs and UHD Blu-Rays has been in talks for well over 2 years now, it's not like this is a new thing. Don't really understand how you are not aware of this, seems it was all TV manufacturers wanted you to know about their TVs in the last 2 CES.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

why?

Capable of 4k 60Hz without the need for an HDMI 2.0 TV/monitor, which is a relatively new standard and not in the hands of many people.

 

[icespide]

Capable of 4k 60Hz without the need for an HDMI 2.0 TV/monitor, which is a relatively new standard and not in the hands of many people.

oh ok

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Looks very nice. I wonder what the price point will be.

 

[Takuan]

Slick as fuck.

 

[Dice]

HDR in 4K TVs and UHD Blu-Rays has been in talks for well over 2 years now, it's not like this is a new thing. Don't really understand how you are not aware of this, seems it was all TV manufacturers wanted you to know about their TVs in the last 2 CES.

I know GAF is a pretty tech-geek sort of place but don't act like certain knowledge of frontier technologies can be presumed universal.

1) I don't watch TV. I only watch movies now and then.

2) I don't care about technologies that are nowhere near proper implementation yet. The players suck, the media is near nonexistent, the file sizes for digital distribution are absurd, broadband in both speed and data caps is a tiny fraction of where it would need to be to stream it, and we're still in a time where some streamed "HD" video is 720p and most of the 1080p stuff is at a garbage bitrate so it may as well be 720p. It is the nature of technology to talk about the next thing before we've even properly standardized, but that doesn't mean everyone holds interest in those talks. I personally start caring when it is practical, and we haven't even managed to standardize at bluray quality in video or 1080p in console games yet.

I might be interested in the displays and details of the developing medium if I had three grand to drop on a top of the line PC and another three to drop on the display itself, but I don't. I don't see why I should bother keeping up with all the jargon of a technology that isn't at all practical and won't be before entirely new and better display technologies like CLED have been standardized and non-shit movies are on 4k bluray.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Call me weird, but 2TB is too much for me. I only have 500GB on my PS4 and PC and its more than enough for me and I'm a digital only guy. That hard drive would drive the cost up.

I flat out don't believe you unless you buy like 2 games a year max.

 

[DOWN]

Just include a DisplayPort, for the love of god.

lol hell no. the number of people who want that for consoles is near nothing.

 

[Mashin Haters]

If that's real it doesn't even look that much smaller, but hard to tell from the photo.

dude compare it to the controller that's very small

 

[LowEndTorque]

That looks... almost exactly like the original x1 just way shrunken down.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

That's pretty great! I will consider selling mine to get that one! Would fit much better at my desk.

 

[TLZ]

I don't really see the 40% smaller?

I just put my controller on my xbox and it just looks the same :/

Maybe height and length are smaller but width is same?

 

[Omega Kirby]

scorpio is next year, this is likely this year.

Hopefully Scorpio is this size as well

 

[Future PhaZe]

Will get for 4k

 

[Kibbles]

I don't really see the 40% smaller?

I just put my controller on my xbox and it just looks the same :/

Maybe height and length are smaller but width is same?

Yeah the controller is half of the current console too so seems the same???

 

[Unity2012]

I'll take one in Black please!

Even though that white version looks pretty slick. This E3 is already better than the last two and it hasn't even fully started.

 

[Catatafish]

So in terms of price, will it be cheaper than current xbox1?

 

[kodecraft]

Cool but to impress me it have to be Wii-sized.

 

[TLZ]

Yeah the controller is half of the current console too so seems the same???

Yea can't see the difference yet.

Is there a comparison image somewhere I'm not aware of?

 

[professor_t]

I flat out don't believe you unless you buy like 2 games a year max.

I don't get it, either. I have WAY fewer digital games on PS4 than on XboxOne, and yet I constantly need to delete games on my PS4 to make room for new stuff (whereas on the Xbox I just use a massive external HD).

 

[WadeitOut]

Yea can't see the difference yet.

Is there a comparison image somewhere I'm not aware of?

No. People are looking are renders and mock ups.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

I know GAF is a pretty tech-geek sort of place but don't act like certain knowledge of frontier technologies can be presumed universal.

1) I don't watch TV. I only watch movies now and then.

2) I don't care about technologies that are nowhere near proper implementation yet. The players suck, the media is near nonexistent, the file sizes for digital distribution are absurd, broadband in both speed and data caps is a tiny fraction of where it would need to be to stream it, and we're still in a time where some streamed "HD" video is 720p and most of the 1080p stuff is at a garbage bitrate so it may as well be 720p. It is the nature of technology to talk about the next thing before we've even properly standardized, but that doesn't mean everyone holds interest in those talks. I personally start caring when it is practical, and we haven't even managed to standardize at bluray quality in video or 1080p in console games yet.

I might be interested in the displays and details of the developing medium if I had three grand to drop on a top of the line PC and another three to drop on the display itself, but I don't. I don't see why I should bother keeping up with all the jargon of a technology that isn't at all practical and won't be before entirely new and better display technologies like CLED have been standardized and non-shit movies are on 4k bluray.

It is far from not being practical and its advantages have been talked about on any tech site for quite a while now. It is available on both physical and digital media as UHD blu-rays and Netflix/Amazon Prime have content available in HDR. Maybe you should hit up the local Bestbuy for a demo! Also, it's not that expensive, Vizio has some incredibly good sets coming out this year that even support Dolby Vision HDR and they will be less than 2 grands.

 

[Trojita]

Looks at sealed Elite Edition console.

"Fuck"

 

[ShutterMunster]

I want this thing so bad and I don't even know why. I hope next year's upgrade looks the same.

 

[Lime]

Design wise it is still too bulky and unwieldy, and I don't think it's much slimmer than the PS4. At least from what I can gather from the images. Microsoft always falter when it comes to hardware design.

I wonder if it still has an external power brick.

 

[Dr.brain64]

Damn that looks sexy! Is it with a hybrid hdd?

 

[Zooport]

Design wise it is still too bulky and unwieldy, and I don't think it's much slimmer than the PS4. At least from what I can gather from the images. Microsoft always falter when it comes to hardware design.

I wonder if it still has an external power brick.

Internal according the comment by ekim in the OP.

 

[shiftplusone]

if its 300 or less and out before the Neo, ill get it for the 4k support alone.

no real use for an xbone as far as gaming but 400 for samsungs awful UHD player is something i wanna avoid.

 

[Lime]

Aesthetically, it still looks like a big lunch box.

Internal according the comment by ekim in the OP.

whoops, the images made me miss that very little snippet in the OP. Thanks.

 

[darkwing]

4k video, so this has a better hardware than the present model?

 

[Kai Ozu]

Is it only going to be in white?

 

[Dice]

It is far from not being practical and its advantages have been talked about on any tech site for quite a while now. It is available on both physical and digital media as UHD blu-rays and Netflix/Amazon Prime have content available in HDR. Maybe you should hit up the local Bestbuy for a demo! Also, it's not that expensive, Vizio has some incredibly good sets coming out this year that even support Dolby Vision HDR and they will be less than 2 grands.

I've been to Best Buy and looked at the TVs and they looked like shit because they were only playing media that was 4K in resolution not functional definition. I also said not-shit movies in UHD since I don't gobble up shit like the superhero of the day or whatever other crap Hollywood is pushing on bluray for my owned media.

I would put money down on digital content having garbage bitrate that makes the resolution pointless. Only fiber connections can stream fast enough for proper quality and if it didn't have a shit bitrate then the file sizes would be unworkable for both ISP data caps and local storage. I may not be into the latest displays but I do know media technology, and it simply isn't here on a practical level yet. "Can I possibly buy it at all" is not what practical means and I don't wish to argue with you over our differing standards for what "practical" entails.

I do appreciate that the technology is developing because that is the only thing that will move us forward to achieving a base standard of 1080p bluray quality. What we learn from developing 4K will also contribute to improving VR resolutions and response times. However, it is not here yet despite the heavy marketing push and half-truth hardware, and it will not be established very soon. Being merely existent on the market and being established in daily quality and standard use are two very different things.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

I like it. The original XB1's look wasn't bad except just how huge it was. It's hard to tell just how much smaller it is from these images so I will wait but most likely if they do a black version I'll pick it up and it's no more than £200. The current XB1 is going for about £250.

 

[AstroLad]

I barely even play my Bone, but with the 2TB HD and 4k and the like I'm glad they're setting the bar high. Sony gonna have to come close to matching it now for me to bite. Also a few people saying 2TB is too much and 500GB is more than enough...just wtf. You guys must be deleting shit all the time or just not use your systems (and I don't even use mine that much) because I know that's what I have to do on PS4 at this point, which is insanely annoying b/c even when I have the disc I have to sit through a reinstall if I want to dig up an older game.

 

[Don Lapre]

I barely even play my Bone, but with the 2TB HD and 4k and the like I'm glad they're setting the bar high. Sony gonna have to come close to matching it now for me to bite. Also a few people saying 2TB is too much and 500GB is more than enough...just wtf. You guys must be deleting shit all the time or just not use your systems (and I don't even use mine that much) because I know that's what I have to do on PS4 at this point, which is insanely annoying b/c even when I have the disc I have to sit through a reinstall if I want to dig up an older game.

Its not like games are going to be 4k. They are doing hdmi 2.0a port and probably a soc for h265 decoding.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

hopefully this will fix the constant controller disconnects that I can't seem to fix.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Hopefully Scorpio is this size as well

Scorpio will be the size of a small child and still won't have the power brick inside.

 

[Diablohead]

hopefully this will fix the constant controller disconnects that I can't seem to fix.

They really need to fix that issue I used to have it too.

 

[SwolBro]

what is this "streamlined controller"
what's different about it?

 

[Mohasus]

Looks beautiful.

I may end up buying one just to play Just Dance (if they didn't remove the kinect input).

 

[AstroLad]

Its not like games are going to be 4k. They are doing hdmi 2.0a port and probably a soc for h265 decoding.

Oh sorry I mean 4k discs actually.

 

[nillah]

Xbox One now w/ solar panels

 

[pixelation]

It looks a lot like a PS4 when standing in a vertical position.

 

[Dereck]

The white xbox one looks very modern and really aesthetically pleasing. I would say it's the best looking console out right now.

 

[SpotAnime]

I can't find it, but someone tweeted a reply to one of the Xbox One S leak photos, "looks good but it's still an Xbox One".

And sadly I agree. And I'm saying this as an Xbox One owner, and the Xbox One is currently the only next gen console I own, so I feel like I can be critical. This whole console generation for Microsoft thus far has felt like a second place effort. One step forward two steps back. 720p game engines. It's taken then three years to finally start getting the OS in the right direction. Weird glitches like controller lag with RotTR. The emphasis on UWP and having their only competitive advantage of first party games all appearing on PC. It's not even "too little, too late", it's sadly, just "not good enough". From what we're hearing from the leaks, it'll largely be everything we've already seen or heard about. DR4 looks great but it'll likely be on PC, and who knows what annoying quirks it'll have on Xbox One. FH3 they're saying is a stunner but Driveclub is my gold standard so if they can't hit that in terms of graphic fidelity then it's already lost.

The Xbox One S seems very much like a "not good enough" situation. 4K and HDR but no UHD BD support. Sounds like they are going the wrong way with the new controller (no removable battery). And this is their big reveal for this year. They are making a slightly improved piece of hardware no one will want to buy, because it doesn't address the real problems which are performance, port quality, and making games I'd actually want to buy. The Xbox One S is the wrong answer, it's putting lipstick on a pig. And if this is the response Phil wants to make in the self-proclaimed most important E3 since 360's Day 0, then he's totally deaf.

 

[Dereck]

I can't find it, but someone tweeted a reply to one of the Xbox One S leak photos, "looks good but it's still an Xbox One".

lmao that's fucked up

 

[Welfare]

what is this "streamlined controller"
what's different about it?

It is slightly smaller from what it looks like.

 

[Guess Who]

I can't find it, but someone tweeted a reply to one of the Xbox One S leak photos, "looks good but it's still an Xbox One".

And sadly I agree. And I'm saying this as an Xbox One owner, and the Xbox One is currently the only next gen console I own, so I feel like I can be critical. This whole console generation for Microsoft thus far has felt like a second place effort. One step forward two steps back. 720p game engines. It's taken then three years to finally start getting the OS in the right direction. Weird glitches like controller lag with RotTR. The emphasis on UWP and having their only competitive advantage of first party games all appearing on PC. It's not even "too little, too late", it's sadly, just "not good enough". From what we're hearing from the leaks, it'll largely be everything we've already seen or heard about. DR4 looks great but it'll likely be on PC, and who knows what annoying quirks it'll have on Xbox One. FH3 they're saying is a stunner but Driveclub is my gold standard so if they can't hit that in terms of graphic fidelity then it's already lost.

The Xbox One S seems very much like a "not good enough" situation. 4K and HDR but no UHD BD support. Sounds like they are going the wrong way with the new controller (no removable battery). And this is their big reveal for this year. They are making a slightly improved piece of hardware no one will want to buy, because it doesn't address the real problems which are performance, port quality, and making games I'd actually want to buy. The Xbox One S is the wrong answer, it's putting lipstick on a pig. And if this is the response Phil wants to make in the self-proclaimed most important E3 since 360's Day 0, then he's totally deaf.

1. You are expecting way too much out of a "slim" model console.

2. ekim has suggested UHD BD is in.

3. Scorpio is still a thing.

4. Who said there's no removable battery in the controller? (Not that I would complain, personally, I just haven't seen that said.)

5. You are expecting way too much out of a "slim" model console.

 

[SpotAnime]

It is slightly smaller from what it looks like.

They're saying the change may adding a non-removable battery like in the Dual Shock 4, not letting you use your own rechargeable batteries.

 

[potatohead]

They're saying the change may adding a non-removable battery like in the Dual Shock 4, not letting you use your own rechargeable batteries.

Interesting... I know people said they loved batteries in Xbox controllers.

I never got the appeal personally.