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[NinjamicWZ]

That's my point. This all they decided was important to sell us on her and her role in the story and game.

Edit: we have Griffith and Guts in multiple shots in full armor being bad ass.

No, that's what they decided was important to sell people who already know who she is on the pre-order bonus. ie: people who will actually care that the pre-order bonus is an alt costume from a very specific, relatively brief rendition of the character, and not targeted at people who will go "wat dis who dat"

 

[StrangeRoboMemory]

Oh, yeah, they turned out just fine.

They became gritty and powerful and strong and stoic and conquering, while she becomes a mute baby-woman. It's completely different.

Anyway, this DLC (if real) highlights exactly what I was afraid of when I saw that teaser...afraid to see how this develops.

 

[HStallion]

But they didn't sell us on her at all. This is just one of the preorder bonuses, just like the others in OP's link: Pirate Schierke, Golden Hawk Griffith, White Swordsman Guts, Blue Striped Shirt Schierke.
Again, this Casca DLC shot is not even in any video or screenshots yet. This is something on a fan wiki taken from the preorder page. You'd have a point if that was a Casca ingame screenshot.
Any Berserk fan (who they are selling the game to) know that she is a competent warrior and that we're missing a lot of other characters.

There was also a hentai like teaser but let's discount that because it's not in game. They have only shown her in a damaged or compromised state. That seems in poor taste and does her character no justice.

No, that's what they decided was important to sell people who already know who she is on the pre-order bonus. ie: people who will actually care that the pre-order bonus is an alt costume from a very specific, relatively brief rendition of the character, and not targeted at people who will go "wat dis who dat"

And I don't care who is advertised to, it's fucking sad and gross and shitty

 

[Paracelsus]

It is an extremely touchy subject but also extremely powerful in getting an emotional response out of you. There's few characters I've hated more than Griffith and been truly invested in their demise and that was nearly 20 years ago now. It's why Berserk has had such a devout fanbase.

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Forced drama

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it totally is, the only part out the whole eclipse

is why Berserk has got such a devoted fanbase?

I guess this is why 20 years later all people care about is when he deals with the HoG and kills him.

 

[Pompadour]

I don't see how anyone who loves the manga could be okay with them trivializing this event for preorder DLC and shitty marketing. Even if you are heartless and unempathetic towards victims of rape, you have to see how this undermines the severity of what happened to this character in the overall narrative.

Because the author kind of sexualizes rape in his series? I mean, this is a Japanese series that's been running since the 80's so it's no surprise that a game adaptation produced like 30 years later has content that isn't gelling with the modern social mores of Western society.

If Berserk had a modern TV series that was GoT popular and was faithful to the source material then there would be hundreds of think pieces of how rape is eroticized in the series. Just because these rapes are happening in a nightmarish world doesn't mean they aren't titillating to the people who jerked off to Legend of the Overfiend. It's very dark, disturbing fanservice but fanservice nonetheless.

 

[HStallion]

Spoiler

Forced drama

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it totally is, the only part out the whole eclipse

is why Berserk has got such a devoted fanbase?

I guess this is why 20 years later all people care about is when he deals with the HoG and kills him.

All fiction is "forced" drama and manipulation of the emotions. Miura earns everything the Eclipse attempts to do. None of that is forced in any way. It hits so hard because of who it happens to or not just what happens.

 

[sora87]

Spoiler

Forced drama

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it totally is, the only part out the whole eclipse

is why Berserk has got such a devoted fanbase?

I guess this is why 20 years later all people care about is when he deals with the HoG and kills him.

Obviously it's not the only reason, but it's the main driving force of the series, Guts getting revenge and reverting Casca back to her former self

 

[NinjamicWZ]

And I don't care who is advertised to, it's fucking sad and gross and shitty

So your point of contention then is that derivative creative works debase the source material that they utilize.

Content that was made for sale shouldn't be made for sale? Content that was displayed shouldn't be displayed? That's completely and totally illogical.

 

[Eolz]

Yeah, I love the part in the manga where she's hacking down hordes of enemies dressed like that

Does context really matter for Musou optional costumes?
I'm not honestly doing a comparison between those costumes, just saying that you're reading way too much into it.

There was also a hentai like teaser but let's discount that because it's not in game. They have only shown her in a damaged or compromised state. That seems in poor taste and does her character no justice.

Again, while I agree, they haven't shown this costume yet, in any video, official screenshot, famitsu article, etc.
They will show/advertise it officially once they show Casca in action.

edit: oh and the "hentai teaser" is understood by every Berserk fan as a traumatizing event and a huge part of the most important plot point.
It's not Casca making love to Guts or people going "oh fuck yes Casca naked, finally, hmmm!". Would people prefer Casca having Guts' oversized shirt on her while naked (covering even less) like in another manga scene?

edit2:

And now

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sexy miscarriage rape

Caska is confirmed as playable before warrior Caska.

I'm not sure if your entire post is an attempt at satire (hence why I excluded the rest), but it's not a different character, just a different costume. It'll be warrior Casca that is playable.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

The reason koei used the caska scne for the teaser is because it was a pivotal and I dare say even iconic scene in berserk, every berserk fan knows about the implications of that scene, it hit the hardest with everyone who has read berserk


With this DLC, if its real is a lil tasteless however

You say "caska scene", and thats right.

The trailer has no shots of the horrific monstrosities violating her. No shots of all her friends being murdered. No shots of Guts' or anyone's rage or despair. All we got here is a sultry tentacle like out of a bad hentai. Like a tease for the audience, "Oh you like that? Well buy the full game to see the entire sexy time."

As a fan of Berserk, the portrayal of that iconic scene is wrong and they are actively taking the horror out of it. And now

Spoiler

sexy miscarriage rape

Caska is confirmed as playable before warrior Caska.

I cant trust them with this, so I wont trust them with the full game and I wont be buying it.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

I cant trust them with this, so I wont trust them with the full game and I wont be buying it.

I can understand that apprehension and it's the same reason I didn't share the announce trailer for hype purposes, but you should probably find out if that's how it ends up after it releases. A blatant hentai game would probably be a first for what's previously been Dynasty Warriors, Dragon Quest Warriors and Hyrule Warriors and would probably be a blow to the revenue potential for leveraging such an ip as Berserk... though maybe there's some I don't know about, that never released here.

 

[How About No]

Does context really matter for Musou optional costumes?
I'm not honestly doing a comparison between those costumes, just saying that you're reading way too much into it.



Again, while I agree, they haven't shown this costume yet, in any video, official screenshot, famitsu article, etc.
They will show/advertise it officially once they show Casca in action.

edit: oh and the "hentai teaser" is understood by every Berserk fan as a traumatizing event and a huge part of the most important plot point.
It's not Casca making love to Guts or people going "oh fuck yes Casca naked, finally, hmmm!". Would people prefer Casca having Guts' oversized shirt on her while naked (covering even less) like in another manga scene?

What Caska is wearing is really, REALLY, REALLY not the same as sexy/silly fanservice outfit

It'd be fine if she was just wearing that for a (hopefully tasteful!) adaptation of that particular scene, but that doesn't seem to be just the case.

 

[Kintaro]

I cant trust them with this, so I wont trust them with the full game and I wont be buying it.

Don't worry. The Western Version won't have any of the dark eroticism that comes with the series and will instead increase all of the gore to make you feel more comfortable with the game. =P

I can't help but feel that some are taking this a little too seriously considering its a Musou game. A genre that is not subtle and is in your face because it has to be. Looking for nuance in this series will drive you as mad as some of the characters in the Berserk manga.

 

[Breads]

I'm not a fan of the excuse that because the imagery was already used before in other promotional works that it somehow means we should look the other way or that we're overreacting. I don't like it when the creator uses it himself and I don't like it now.

The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.

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It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.

Yeah it's pretty rough.

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The fetus of her and Gutts's unborn child getting corrupted by Griffith, falling out of her, and becoming an evil spirit that taunts them only to... be reborn as Griffith in the real world later(?)

is so out there it's no small wonder how it could have inspired scenes in both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.

They became gritty and powerful and strong and stoic and conquering, while she becomes a mute baby-woman. It's completely different.

Each rape has it's own set of character redefining consequences. Caska

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was a poor farm girl who's parents sold her as a slave to someone who immediately tried to rape her. She was saved by Griffith who took her under his wing and brought her into his band of mercenaries. She loved him and was devoted to his cause was already torn up after seeing him after having recovered him from his year long torture. When Griffith sacrificed the band of the hawk to become an angel and finished it off by raping her as Gutts was forced to watch the entire framework of her persona was shattered.

Griffith and Gutts didn't come away from theirs clean either. For Griffith it cemented the idea that he would put his dream above all else, including his body and his dignity which

Spoiler

directly lead into him sacrificing the band of the hawk in order to become a god king

and for Gutts it provoked him into becoming one of the most proficient killers of his era, his hatred and fury pushing him closer and closer to losing his god damn mind and going, well... Berserk.

It transformed them all in different ways, it just sucks that Caska is physically there in the story but her mind is elsewhere. Makes a lot of the future scenes that much harder to witness.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

They became gritty and powerful and strong and stoic and conquering, while she becomes a mute baby-woman. It's completely different.

Anyway, this DLC (if real) highlights exactly what I was afraid of when I saw that teaser...afraid to see how this develops.

Hm. I guess we will disagree on that in this thread because I don't want to go off topic.

But yeah still think the marketing and pandering fucking sucks.

 

[How About No]

Will say tho I just thought while we're lambasting this sexual imagery, I'm not sure the horrific violence commited by Guts was supposed to be glorified in this way either

...Actually, no, wait, bisecting an entire squad of possibly unwilling troops in a single swing will always be awesome nvm

 

[Kintaro]

Will say tho I just thought while we're lambasting this sexual imagery, I'm not sure the horrific violence commited by Guts was supposed to be glorified in this way either

...Actually, no, wait, bisecting an entire squad of possibly unwilling troops in a single swing will always be awesome nvm

I think we can alll agree that Berserk is just terrible all the way around. Our hero is a murderer, a child killer and a broken man with uncontrollable rage that has to reigned in a child witch. =P

It's due to the talent of the author that we find it all so compelling and worth reading.

 

[munchie64]

I don't have much to say about the topic that hasn't been said but...

Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.

I think this is a ridiculous line of thinking. May as well not have murder in fiction because serial killers will get off on it. Art should be able to reflect reality. I'm not going to pretend Berserk is perfect in its portrayal of rape, but to say that it's "sick" as a blanket statement towards its use in all of fiction just seems pointlessly limiting in my mind.

If someone doesn't want to watch/read anything with sexual assault in it, that's totally fine, but limiting creators with legitimate stuff to say doesn't really help.

 

[Brian_FETO]

In the context of a company that has recently made fanservicey "hey look they're wet" games (DOA5 and Fatal Frame) yeah the Caska preorder DLC is obviously supposed to be in that vein. It sucks because of the context and yea, it would be better to have her wearing Guts' clothes if that was the route they were going to take. Honestly I'm sure the wet outfit would've made it in regardless, but putting it out as preorder DLC is particularly gross.

Regarding the other stuff....I seriously think some folks should revisit the Eclipse in the manga to see how tastefully it's handled if you think they're betraying the manga/the meaning. Reading some of these posts you'd think that this is the extent of the sequence

Guess what, it's not. There's pages and pages of gratuitous sex acts that (regardless of the disgust and horror of the situation) is meant to be erotic and sexualizing Caska. Their tentacle teaser did the same shit the manga did: it makes your skin crawl while still trying to be tantalizing.

To reiterate: the traumatized Caska pre-order bonus is tasteless and garbage because of the context. That said...it sure seems to be the intent of that scene. She's already supposed to be attractive, now she's vulnerable. Don't you want to protect her? Pre-order now

 

[Tomeru]

To reiterate: the traumatized Caska pre-order bonus is tasteless and garbage because of the context. That said...it sure seems to be the intent of that scene. She's already supposed to be attractive, now she's vulnerable. Don't you want to protect her? Pre-order now

The main character just wakes up from a nightmare and sees Casca. That is a fucking dream compared to what they just went through, and it has nothing to do with sex.

 

[Brian_FETO]

The main character just wakes up from a nightmare and sees Casca. That is a fucking dream compared to what they just went through, and it has nothing to do with sex.

You're looking solely at the context. I'm talking about the visual itself

 

[Kinyou]

They became gritty and powerful and strong and stoic and conquering, while she becomes a mute baby-woman. It's completely different.

That simplifies it quite a lot. For the longest time Guts didn't even allow that anyone would touch him. I also suspect that Casca's condition might have some supernatural reasons.

Some of the manga cover art, 12/13.

I don't like the marketing either but the game cover seems to fit in with those volume covers.

Yeah, I don't really have an issue with the game's cover. It's the initial teaser and the Dlc that feel a bit out of place to me.

 

[dan2026]

God I can only imagine the outrage if the Caska's aborted demon fetus was in the marketing material.

 

[Megidolaon]

I agree that it is pretty tasteless, but I don't always think the manga was 100% tasteful either. I love Berserk, it has a great story, but I often had criticism of how Casca's character was handled in the source material as well. She was a strong character, for sure, but the author did have a tendency to play up her sexualized vulnerability too often for my tastes. She was getting her clothes stripped off way too often, and considering that she was supposed to be one of the best fighters and a commander, I feel like they had her used too often as the sexy chick who the dudes need to save a little too often. It was very noticeable to me. But I forgive some of that since it is an older series and gender stereotypes have come a long way in 25 years.

As for this DLC, yeah it is lame, but it isn't that out of line with the source material. I mean, even in the manga, it wasn't REALLY necessary to have Casca wearing that outfit, emphasizing her T&A in that scene. Even in context, it was fanservice-y.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

GAF will always find something to be offended about.

If you're getting triggered from such themes it's best for you to avoid them, not go crying on internet forums building drama.

You seem to be offended about "GAF being offended" pretty regularly...

I think there's a disconnect between Western Berserk fans and Japanese Berserk fans. Berserk eroticizes rape or else there wouldn't be dozens of instances of women getting raped in the manga with close-ups on their breasts.

Really? Fuck, there goes any interest I had in reading the manga some day. Even if it gets finished I don't think I'll bother. Fuck that noise.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Apparently you missed this from the poster who you dismissed as not getting it:



Oh would you look at that. It's an almost exact panel recreation that falls under your umbrella of "Recreating it in the game is fine."

Why is it sexy? Is it? Sounds like that's on you. What makes it any different than the source which seems iconic enough for fans to actually recognize? She won't be in that pose while cycling through an innumerable number of attack animations, I'm sure.

Why is it DLC? The money, Lebowski. Wanna talk about pre-order business and DLC? Wonderful. I'm sure at least half this board would love to talk about much we hate pre-order bonuses, DLC and partitioned game content.

Yes and he was rebutted down.

 

[HStallion]

You seem to be offended about "GAF being offended" pretty regularly...


Really? Fuck, there goes any interest I had in reading the manga some day. Even if it gets finished I don't think I'll bother. Fuck that noise.

I'd beg to disagree. It sometimes sounds like some people in this thread are just going off memes and reddit nonsense at times and not the actual material. There is rape and sexual violence no doubt but the way some people paint it there is nothing but and its all made for perverts. It's a graphic brutal depiction of just about every fucked up thing you could imagine. The characters live a Lovecraftian world in a lot of ways.

 

[How About No]

You seem to be offended about "GAF being offended" pretty regularly...


Really? Fuck, there goes any interest I had in reading the manga some day. Even if it gets finished I don't think I'll bother. Fuck that noise.

Nah I think of it more like Muira presenting it that way as a "hey reader you're really enjoying this scene aren't'cha? Well how about some nice tits you pile of human garbage"

I haven read these parts in many, many years but I think that's a possible interpretation

Edit: Maybe this DLC stuff is more in-line with the source than I thought if that's the case

How about if you use the outfit you get a trophy and will be shamed forever

 

[NinjamicWZ]

Yes and he was rebutted down.

He was responded to, but not rebutted.

 

[Killer Queen]

Would be kind of disappointing if true. I was interested in the game up until this point, but one of the reasons I've never really been able to get into Berserk was the inclusion of sexual violence and it apparently happening fairly often, I understand that it's supposed to show the brutality of the world but it really just makes me really uncomfortable which is unfortunate considering I would enjoy a lot of the other material along with the art and I liked the movies up until that point.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

They became gritty and powerful and strong and stoic and conquering, while she becomes a mute baby-woman. It's completely different.

Anyway, this DLC (if real) highlights exactly what I was afraid of when I saw that teaser...afraid to see how this develops.

After Guts was raped he became a child soldier, afraid of basic human socialization, and had recurring nightmares of being raped. He didn't even want to be touched. But yeah, strong and determined. It's totally the same thing as being raped by someone you loved and looked up to while seeing your friends being eaten alive, surrounded by pillars of decaying corpses and demons as Gods watch on a giant fucking hand. Totally the same fucking thing.

He was responded to, but not rebutted.

Nah, he was rebutted. That dude is wrong and erases any context of those pages.

 

[HStallion]

Would be kind of disappointing if true. I was interested in the game up until this point, but one of the reasons I've never really been able to get into Berserk was the inclusion of sexual violence and it apparently happening fairly often, I understand that it's supposed to show the brutality of the world but it really just makes me really uncomfortable which is unfortunate considering I would enjoy a lot of the other material along with the art and I liked the movies up until that point.

Its not as constant as people harp on. It's fairly rare all things considered especially the last couple of arcs. It is there and when it is it's as graphic as everything else. So yeah might not be something you want to continue.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I'd beg to disagree. It sometimes sounds like some people in this thread are just going off memes and reddit nonsense at times and not the actual material. There is rape and sexual violence no doubt but the way some people paint it there is nothing but and its all made for perverts. It's a graphic brutal depiction of just about every fucked up thing you could imagine. The characters live a Lovecraftian world in a lot of ways.

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :\

Nah I think of it more like Muira presenting it that way as a "hey reader you're really enjoying this scene aren't'cha? Well how about some nice tits you pile of human garbage"

Are you fucking serious? That's the most ridiculous excuse ever. If you pander to perverts by giving them exactly what they crave, you aren't criticizing them...

 

[20cent]

When its ink on a page it has context with the pages before and after it.

do you understand context?

Context, my friend. Have you read the manga? If so, you'd probably understand why.

Casca wouldn't be wearing that outfit if she was anywhere near a "playable" state, going by the manga.

Without context, then, it is just a sexy costume, nothing else.

With context, it is what we know. Then here is your context.

 

[How About No]

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :\


Are you fucking serious? That's the most ridiculous excuse ever. If you pander to perverts by giving them exactly what they crave, you aren't criticizing them...

¯\_(&#12484_/¯ Like I said I haven't read it in a very long time. I could be wrong. I'd say read it and come to your own conclusion

 

[Mista Koo]

Guts wouldn't be like this if not for Casca, and vice-versa. No spoilers there, but saying it's not about Casca make it sound like you've never read the manga.
Guts, Casca and Griffith's destinies are all linked.

What I'm saying is Casca was merely a prop in Guts' arc when it comes to her being raped. It wasn't about her character at all.

And I love how everyone retorts the same way. Yes I've read (enough of) the manga.

I think there's a disconnect between Western Berserk fans and Japanese Berserk fans. Berserk eroticizes rape or else there wouldn't be dozens of instances of women getting raped in the manga with close-ups on their breasts. If they really wanted to sell the trauma and horror of the situation the author wouldn't have framed them the way he did.

Yep.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :


Are you fucking serious? That's the most ridiculous excuse ever. If you pander to perverts by giving them exactly what they crave, you aren't criticizing them...

If it's something you don't think you want to read it, then I advise you not to. It's pretty disturbing and full of graphic material.

Like I'm pretty sure every single chapter is full of some violent stuff.

 

[HStallion]

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :

The spoilers suck but there isn't much else out there like it. While Berserk is brutal and violent and so forth, I think stuff like Game Of Thrones is worse. There aren't any info dump scenes where characters talk while surrounded by half naked whores or the like. When things like sexual violence happens its usually for some very story heavy reasons.

 

[Zolo]

If it's something you don't think you want to read it, then I advise you not to. It's pretty disturbing and full of graphic material.

Like I'm pretty sure every single chapter is full of some violent stuff.

It's toned down pretty significantly over the past 10 years or so, but yeah. Berserk has a good story, gorgeous art, and I still list it as one of my favorite manga......but a lot of the more graphic material keeps me from going back through it.

For what it's worth as well, the story's also worth reading even if you get spoiled as well. In fact, most of the spoilers here are.....'mostly' well known from the beginning of the story because the manga kinda starts further in the story and then it flashes back through his past for about 10 or so volumes (I can't remember at all how many). That said, the beginning's not really representative of Guts too much compared to how he gets developed through the flashback where the author has a more clear idea of what they want the character to be.

 

[Eolz]

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :\


Are you fucking serious? That's the most ridiculous excuse ever. If you pander to perverts by giving them exactly what they crave, you aren't criticizing them...

I honestly don't remember specific close-ups or that many things happening of the sort, seemed relatively tasteful (for what it is) last time I've read that.
Disagree with the Miura comment as well, but I can see how people would come to that conclusion too.
That said, the only big spoilers in this thread have been spoilered, apart from Casca's rape obviously and some related pictures. I'd recommend to keep reading until you feel something is going too far or is not good anymore (depending on where you are in the story obviously).

 

[qcf x2]

Yes, Berserk has instances of rape, male and female. The main character himself was a victim, as a child no less. It is one of the acts that the author dramatically portrays as vile, villainous and purely evil. More so than murder. It is a graphic series, and anybody thinking about reading it should be forewarned of that.

 

[Tohsaka]

So the part about the "close-ups on the breasts" is false, then?
Well regardless, too many spoilers have been dropped anyway, doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. :\


Are you fucking serious? That's the most ridiculous excuse ever. If you pander to perverts by giving them exactly what they crave, you aren't criticizing them...

As much as I like the series, I honestly wouldn't really recommend anyone picking it up at this point due to how infrequently new chapters come out. The plot has been dragging on for years, and Guts has barely even been in it at all lately. The manga feels more like an art book sometimes with the big two-page spreads and lack of dialogue.

 

[Palculator]

That dude is wrong and erases any context of those pages.

I didn't, and the interpretation given by the poster I quoted as to why the context of Guts waking up to find Casca survived but traumatised with PTSD changes the wet shirt shot was poor, as I have elaborated upon with points you've repeatedly ignored with no argument whatsoever.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

What Caska is wearing is really, REALLY, REALLY not the same as sexy/silly fanservice outfit

Because it's not and doesn't have to be. It's better because it's actually rooted in the source material and isn't just the character being splayed in some completely new, arbitrary way that has no canonical or fan significance. Alt costumes aren't relegated to just being "sexy/silly" - any appearance of any character is fan service material. The more significant or exclusive the better. That's what actual fan service is and always was, before it just become a code word for wank material to gamers online in the last 10 years who just want to see characters no one cares about dressed up in lingerie.

You seen the new Star Wars movie? Remember early in the movie when John Boyega was still in his Storm Trooper attire? Remember when he had a bloody hand print on his mask for just a few moments? Boom. Variant costume. 100% additional fan service potential.

It'd be fine if she was just wearing that for a (hopefully tasteful!) adaptation of that particular scene, but that doesn't seem to be just the case.

If they did recreate that scene and created the character model and skin for it, why wouldn't it also be a playable alt? Alternatively, if someone had to choose between the two things, why not spend resources on stuff that's directly linked to playable content?

Why would anyone want to see that scene recreated if just the costume is too much? Especially in a game archetype that's become so attractive a fan service vessel for any ip that can be thrown at it, precisely because they can just include as many an ip's characters and plot points as possible into the same pot, with no real expectation of cinematic flair, masterful storytelling etc.

 

[UrbanRats]

Really? Fuck, there goes any interest I had in reading the manga some day. Even if it gets finished I don't think I'll bother. Fuck that noise.

I like Berserk, but there's no denying that if you're annoyed by that kind of stuff, it's there (and you should probably avoid it).
That said, not all of it is simply gratuitous or pointless and how much of it is, is very much up to debate, like any other artistic product, things will be interpreted differently by different people.
But it's not a matter of nuance to say that the manga features a lot of sexual (and regular) violence, shown often in morbid detail.

 

[HStallion]

As much as I like the series, I honestly wouldn't really recommend anyone picking it up at this point due to how infrequently new chapters come out. The plot has been dragging on for years, and Guts has barely even been in it at all lately. The manga feels more like an art book sometimes with the big two-page spreads and lack of dialogue.

A new episode came out today,

Spoiler

they are off the boat and are about to meet the Elf King. We are literally about to get the biggest bit of exposition in like a decade and Casca may finally get healed

. The story is on the verge heading to its endgame at this point.

 

[Zolo]

I like Berserk, but there's no denying that if you're annoyed by that kind of stuff, it's there (and you should probably avoid it).

Haven't watched them, but I guess the animated series/movies could be an alternative since I'm guessing they can't be as explicit (though I hear the Eclipse one was actually AO)? Haven't watched them, so I can't say.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

The spoilers suck but there isn't much else out there like it. While Berserk is brutal and violent and so forth, I think stuff like Game Of Thrones is worse. There aren't any info dump scenes where characters talk while surrounded by half naked whores or the like. When things like sexual violence happens its usually for some very story heavy reasons.

Really? I think Berserk is much worse than GoT or ASoIaF to be honest, in terms of violence and other mature content.

I think there's a disconnect between Western Berserk fans and Japanese Berserk fans. Berserk eroticizes rape or else there wouldn't be dozens of instances of women getting raped in the manga with close-ups on their breasts. If they really wanted to sell the trauma and horror of the situation the author wouldn't have framed them the way he did.

So the cover/teaser/and this DLC for this game is just continuing the tradition of the series that has a lot of rape scenes both designed to be disturbing yet titillate.

Hmm. There might be a cultural disconnect to be sure. I always associated the stuff in Berserk as horrorible actions emphasized to add to the scene playing out (Grif stuff), though that's my tolerance level for 'look at how evil this guy is'.

I like Berserk, but there's no denying that if you're annoyed by that kind of stuff, it's there (and you should probably avoid it).
That said, not all of it is simply gratuitous or pointless and how much of it is, is very much up to debate, like any other artistic product, things will be interpreted differently by different people.
But it's not a matter of nuance to say that the manga features a lot of sexual (and regular) violence, shown often in morbid detail.

Said better than I ever could.

As much as I like the series, I honestly wouldn't really recommend anyone picking it up at this point due to how infrequently new chapters come out. The plot has been dragging on for years, and Guts has barely even been in it at all lately. The manga feels more like an art book sometimes with the big two-page spreads and lack of dialogue.

I remember when he got on that fucking boat. Man was I excited when he got off...

 

[Tomeru]

You're looking solely at the context. I'm talking about the visual itself

I shouldnt have?

 

[Momentary]

I love Berserk with the passion of a 1000 suns. But the rape focused advertising and the inclusion of (what's hopefully NOT a DLC costume) an outfit where she is traumatized from rape AND had a miscarriage in is very poor taste. It's like they are trying to tell people that's all what Berserk is about.

Spoiler

RIght now in the newest chapter their in a serene, beautiful area with sorceress and sorcerers teaching and training.

There just so much to the story than the out of context advertising they are going with.

I REALLY REALLY hope that people defending this, like I said before, are teenagers who think that this kind of advertising must mean it's "adult stuff" and advertising rape just makes it that more hardcore. I just don't know how someone, a fan or not, can look at this as an acceptable form of advertising your product.

Game of Thrones is worse than Berserk, but they don't throw out of context rape / post-rape scenes in their marketing material.

This sort of marketing just seems so juvenile and those defending it are just as juvenile.