Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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Zophar

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I would be very surprised if these weren't anti-government militia types. BLM is justifiability angry but they haven't had the flames stoked to incite open rebellion for the last 8 years.
 
Going to try and sleep, but man this is unsettling hoping nothing else happens. Hope cooler heads prevail in all the aftermath that follows.

Stay safe Dallas-gaf
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
How is civilian body armor legal? Nevermind I don't think I want to know...

People have been known to make their own, crazily enough. Pretty sure the dudes in the North Hollywood shootout in the 90s had some super crazy homemade body armor.
 

sphagnum

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I'm not going to speculate on the motives of the attackers but I do want to say that this assault on police officers might finally make the GOP take up gun control legislation.

I'd like to think that but Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook. If killing a bunch of children couldn't make them budge I'm not sure anything can. I'm sure some idiot will just go "But if everyone had a gun then none of this would have happened!"

The only way, ironically, that maybe they'd break was if it turns out the attackers are non-white after all, like the reaction after the BPP started toting.
 

BokehKing

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Obamas speech earlier today is being viewed as Anti police on FB before the shooting started, like seeanother Deblasio scenario happening here, I'm afraid to even open up my FB right now. What a sad moment in our country, the protest was peaceful, the police or some of them were interacting normally with the protesters. Things weren't perfect but it could have been heading in that direction.

The Dallas PD now sets the tone for the rest of this country. Do they continue to stand with the community and show that a few bad eggs from the crowd doesn't mean they are all guilty of wanting their brothers and sisters dead. Or do they turn their back on the community, sending a shockwave across the rest of the countries police forces.
 

GtwoK

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Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?
 

Raxus

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This looks like a highly trained, coordinated attack, so I am very comfortable calling it a terrorist attack.

Highly likely. It was planned and (seemingly) coordinated. But we need more evidence before we can claim it for certain.
 

JP_

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I don't mean show up, I mean interact with protesters in an amicable way. Less like guards, but people who are there to help, take pictures with, talk to, etc. That was what was going on at the protest today. Now they'll be trigger-happy for lack of a better term. More blue wall instead of protect and serve.
I'm still holding out hope that it's clear enough that it wasn't the protestors. It was an opportunity where a lot of cops were downtown and vulnerable -- that happens several times a year here. They do marathons, parades etc downtown with similar police presences. They'll have to figure out how to do these kinds of things in a safer way regardless and the fact this time happened to be a protest shouldn't be a big factor.
 
Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?

If they can end it without further gunfire, then they should.
 

Merc_

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Doesn't matter. Conservatives are already saying it was BLM and blaming Obama for "race-baiting". I'm really concerned about these next few months in America.

It's going to be something if the shooters turn out to not be black and they have to do a quick about-face.
 
Fuck, that clip of the suspect running up close to the cop and shooting him is like straight out of a movie. This shit is crazy right now.
 

Dr.Acula

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This is just pure insanity, and instantly kills any hope of police demilitarization for the next 10 or even 20 years. Just crushing.

It also will likely see the continuation of killing the hope of civilian demilitarization for a generation, too.

No matter how much gun violence happens, the answer is always "more guns."

hrm. I've been hearing a lot of this "the end is coming" talk...I wonder what the hay these guys are onto and who they are with.

It's a pretty common stock-phrase for extremists.
 
I'd like to think that but Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook. If killing a bunch of children couldn't make them budge I'm not sure anything can. I'm sure some idiot will just go "But if everyone had a gun then none of this would have happened!"

The only way, ironically, that maybe they'd break was if it turns out the attackers are non-white after all, like the reaction after the BPP started toting.
As I posted earlier, if armed officers of the law in an open carry gun friendly state can be mowed down by private citizens, what hope does a "good guy with a gun" have? This has to be the tipping point for them.
 

sprsk

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At this point I would be surprised if the shooters were not militia types. That kind of planning, the weapons used, it all points to people who obsess over this kind of thing, not people who "have had enough with police brutality."
 

JP_

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Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?
It is dangerous to engage with an armed assailant, even if the swat team is well trained -- this isn't hollywood. It'd be better if they can somehow solve this safely.
 

DiscoJer

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because the group of people who did this clearly didn't have ill-will to the public

this wasn't a "terrorist" attack in the sense of a mass attack on soft targets/civilians.

This was a planned attack on cops, which is why I'm thinking we're dealing with some type of small militia of people who know each other and trained together for whatever reasons.

Honestly, these days "terrorism" has almost lost all meaning. To my mind, it should be attacks deliberately aimed at civilian targets. Police are paramilitary.

But it's basically used to describe any attack by people who don't work for some government. Be it actual murderers attacking civilians in a club or public area, or guerrillas attacking a military target.
 

sphagnum

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Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?

Gotta make sure the bomb thing isn't true I guess?
 
BBC is showing a photo of one or the suspects

The chap that turned himself in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835

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This kids life is ruined over Dallas PD's stupid kneejerk reaction.
 

depths20XX

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I don't even know what to think about any of this shit anymore. This country is full of morons. Any time something has a chance of changing some bullshit just happens to set things back. We inch up a hill only to slide back down when some rain hits.
 

chadskin

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Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?

Negotiating his surrender, I presume, but it sounds like that's been a fruitless endeavor so far.

Otherwise, they'll wait him out if he is indeed surrounded and can't escape anywhere else. He has to sleep and eat at some point.
 
Maybe a stupid question, but what is this negotiating going on? There aren't any hostages as far as I understand, so what is the suspect trying to "bargain" with? Why can't they just send a tactical team in after him/her?

I'd guess they're just trying to get him to come out so they can take him alive and not have anymore people shot. Since he's still firing at them apparently.
 

SaviourMK2

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I'd like to think that but Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook. If killing a bunch of children couldn't make them budge I'm not sure anything can. I'm sure some idiot will just go "But if everyone had a gun then none of this would have happened!"

The only way, ironically, that maybe they'd break was if it turns out the attackers are non-white after all, like the reaction after the BPP started toting.

I'm a resident of Connecticut, Sandy Hook was not far from me. I can get there in the time it takes to watch an episode of anime, or simpsons.

After Sandy Hook, there's no hope at all for Republicans to do the right thing. None at all
 

besada

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People have been known to make their own, crazily enough. Pretty sure the dudes in the North Hollywood shootout in the 90s had some super crazy homemade body armor.

It's legal to buy body armor in Texas, so long as you haven't been convicted of a felony.
 

Bad Trip

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So what exactly is the scenario of the suspect they're in negotiations with? What are they negotiating and why is that not being filmed or available with more info ? Sorry not at home atm so I don't have access to news coverage from tv
 
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