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[chaobreaker]

These really sound like some crazy ass religious militia types based off what they're saying. Some very scary shit.

Sovereign citizens? I heard Texas is rife with that kind of crazy.

 

[kame-sennin]

It is interesting how my perception of watching the footage changed when I realized the man who was shot and killed was a cop and not the suspect. Not sure if that is good or bad.

It's bad.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Well lately savage has been used to describe someone badass, so I could understand the confusion.

context is key. And savage isn't a new word.
So dunno how he could've missed it.

If someone is talking about a bulb and says "lit" will I mistake it for the more modern definition?? no, that'd be weird.

but this is unimportant...

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Man this is sad and terrifying at the same time. Can someone please start an "All lives matter" movement and stop all this bullshit. Politicians are worried about ISIS but there is more terrorism in your backyard than there is anywhere else.

Not like this man... please

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Man this is sad and terrifying at the same time. Can someone please start an "All lives matter" movement and stop all this bullshit. Politicians are worried about ISIS but there is more terrorism in your backyard than there is anywhere else.

Can we change Febuary to "Human Being History Month" while we are at it?

 

[victreeb3l]

It means the shooters set up a "kill box" to ensure overlapping fields.

Triangulation in this case means posting in a triangle formation. One person for each point of a triangle, so that at any one point in time, at least two people have line of sight on a target within a given(triangulated) area.

Holy shit. These guys aren't amateurs.

 

[sphagnum]

sav·age
ˈsavij/Submit
adjective
1.
(of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
"tales of a savage beast"
synonyms: ferocious, fierce; More



What's wrong with calling the shooter a savage?

There are racial connotations with the word due to its history. I don't think that was the intention in this case however.

 

[LiK]

Man this is sad and terrifying at the same time. Can someone please start an "All lives matter" movement and stop all this bullshit. Politicians are worried about ISIS but there is more terrorism in your backyard than there is anywhere else.

c'mon dude

 

[Prototype Viktor]

of course they weren't working with BLM, but they purposely did it during a march because....?????? to turn public perception against BLM or wtf??!! what does this accomplish. I am anxious to hear their reasoning.

They did it during BLM because protest draws high cop population in groups rather then spread out loke events since police was the target

 

[burntchomsky]

sav·age
ˈsavij/Submit
adjective
1.
(of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
"tales of a savage beast"
synonyms: ferocious, fierce; More



What's wrong with calling the shooter a savage?

I'll just be a good English major and point out that you used it as a noun but the dictionary entry you cited is for an adjective. When you use it as a noun it tends to have very different connotations.

 

[M52B28]

Can we change Febuary to "Human Being History Month" while we are at it?

Whoo.
The responses are always a good laugh.

 

[cirrhosis]

Shooting cops -> anti-government sentiment
+ Military like training, movement, weapon handling
+ Well executed ambush, area of fire, was able to leave initial firefight

= militia?

this is where I'm at too - thinking organized sovereign citizens

 

[Gnome Scat]

I don't think she was implying anything - this is where some can take anything and twist it. She was just saying the police were assisting in setting up a peaceful protest for everyone.

You're probably right, wouldn't surprise me if the mass media was trying to stir something up though.

 

[rjinaz]

Somebody here is a reader of the Drudge Report it seems.

By the way, it's pretty obvious these people were trained so no, it wasn't a group of protestors firing willy nilly at cops.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Why would they target the police when they could have shot hundreds of protesters?

Why would they try and get away?

because the group of people who did this clearly didn't have ill-will to the public

this wasn't a "terrorist" attack in the sense of a mass attack on soft targets/civilians.

This was a planned attack on cops, which is why I'm thinking we're dealing with some type of small militia of people who know each other and trained together for whatever reasons.

and there are a lot of militias that exist with anti-government sentiments

 

[User1608]

So these people are well trained it seems. Damn.

 

[kirblar]

It is interesting how my perception of watching the footage changed when I realized the man who was shot and killed was a cop and not the suspect. Not sure if that is good or bad.

It's human. If it happened the reverse it would have been a killer getting stopped in his tracks by a hero. Instead it was a horror film.

 

[Link]

Man this is sad and terrifying at the same time. Can someone please start an "All lives matter" movement and stop all this bullshit. Politicians are worried about ISIS but there is more terrorism in your backyard than there is anywhere else.

That movement already exists and it's racist as fuck.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

Dallas PD doesn't really have a choice, there has to be a police presence at organized rallies. What they could do is put a moratorium on rallies, but that would just mean the police would mobilize to prevent gatherings. Then if people rally in spite of a moratorium, the police will have to show up.

I don't mean show up, I mean interact with protesters in an amicable way. Less like guards, but people who are there to help, take pictures with, talk to, etc. That was what was going on at the protest today. Now they'll be trigger-happy for lack of a better term. More blue wall instead of protect and serve.

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

I can't believe we STILL have to explain what black lives matters means to certain people on gaf. Seriously, it's time to realize literally NO ONE is using it to say just black lives matter, but that black lives matter (too). I wanna pull my hair out because people are still so quick to shit on the movement

 

[Phased]

I hope this will act to help bring the communities together rather than tear them apart more. Absolutely horrible.

 

[commedieu]

I can't believe we STILL have to explain what black lives matters means to certain people on gaf. Seriously, it's time to realize literally NO ONE is using it to say just black lives matter but, that black lives matter (too). I wanna pull my hair out because people are still so quick to shit on the movement

Obama just said it today, still doesn't matter.

I mean he also says hes not muslim either.

 

[besada]

Shooting cops -> anti-government sentiment
+ Military like training

= militia?

We've had multiple police attacks by Sovereign Citizens in the area. They prefer ambush tactics and long guns. I have no idea if this was them or some subset of them or someone else. We have multiple armed militias in the area, some all white, some all black.

Earlier this year a group of anti-Islamic, pro-open carry people staged an armed protest at the local Nation of Islam, which was attended by dozens of armed protestors plus armed members of the Nation of Islam and the NBPP. Lots of AR-15s, and lots of body armor.

So we have multiple possibilities just within the militia set.

 

[Mory Dunz]

edit nvm

 

[vatstep]

This was an ideal scenario for hate-filled people, regardless of race, background, whatever. They get to kill cops in a fish-in-a-barrel scenario, and potentially have the BLM movement made a scapegoat.

 

[Veitsev]

I can't believe we STILL have to explain what black lives matters means to certain people on gaf. Seriously, it's time to realize literally NO ONE is using it to say just black lives matter, but that black lives matter (too). I wanna pull my hair out because people are still so quick to shit on the movement

Don't waste your time. They know what it means. They just don't care.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Obama just said it today, still doesn't matter.

I mean he also says hes not muslim either.

its a vicious cycle.

 

[SaviourMK2]

Do you guys think the two police killings of the two men over the last two days is a cause behind this?

If they're as set up for this assassination attempt as they claim they are, I doubt they scrambled this together in 2 days

 

[Nanashrew]

Mike Leslie of WFAA now has the video of of Dallas PDs original POI handing over his gun to the police back when the shooting first took place. Hopefully more people see it and retweet it.

https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/751292548258209793

 

[GYODX]

They're talking triangulation tactics on CNN now. At least 4 shooters working in tandem.

I'm 90% sure at this point the protest was just a cover. These guys were likely waiting for ANY major event drawing crowds/cops to the area.

This doesn't seem like ISIS, but who knows with how desperate they've been getting lately.

But this is NOT Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is 20/30-somethings and college students. It is not, and has never been, a militant group.

Doesn't matter. Conservatives are already saying it was BLM and blaming Obama for "race-baiting". I'm really concerned about these next few months in America.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I'm not going to speculate on the motives of the attackers but I do want to say that this assault on police officers might finally make the GOP take up gun control legislation.

 

[HideyoshiJP]

Nice. Fox News dropping the ISIS speculation. "Now, I ain't saying it's ISIS, but.... ISIS."

 

[The_Inquisitor]

I don't mean show up, I mean interact with protesters in an amicable way. Less like guards, but people who are there to help, take pictures with, talk to, etc. That was what was going on at the protest today. Now they'll be trigger-happy for lack of a better term. More blue wall instead of protect and serve.

Yes as I stated earlier Dallas has been doing extremely well the past few years and today. Now this happens. I hope now we don't see a reversing.

 

[Digital-Hero]

 

[dc89]

Well stone me. I never knew savage could be interpreted that way.
I understood the poster was using it to describe the shooter as a savage, violent and out of control. And I think that was his intention too.

 

[kame-sennin]

I don't see what other outcome you'd get in this situation. Peace and Calm has been preached for 100's of years to people getting shit all over, with no results. I don't think I'm alone, knowing this was going to be the eventual outcome. What is our government going to do about this before it continues to escalate. The police aren't going to take this, and apparently neither are the civilians. Was that a cop that the sniper rushed? Lord.

Yeah, politicians need to pull their heads out of their collective ass and realize that their inaction is only going to lead to more death. Politicians have coddled police for decades as they've committed horrible brutal acts - all because they rely on cops for security. But by refusing to reign cops in, they've created a powder keg.

Moderate reforms - the kind I wouldn't even support for being half measures - would have relieved so much tension. Instead, there has been nothing but recalcitrance and incompetence from the people who run our government.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Wow, MSNBC showing a video of protesters going "Hands up, don't shoot" just before the shooting started.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Originally, when I had first heard that the police were there to support the protestors, I was, to say the least, skeptical.

I'm glad I was wrong.

This has been a senseless night, a senseless week, and I'm really upset.

I don't know what else to say. DallasGAF, stay safe and stay strong.

 

[Media]

This looks like a highly trained, coordinated attack, so I am very comfortable calling it a terrorist attack.

 

[Volimar]

We've had multiple police attacks by Sovereign Citizens in the area. They prefer ambush tactics and long guns. I have no idea if this was them or some subset of them or someone else. We have multiple armed militias in the area, some all white, some all black.

Earlier this year a group of anti-Islamic, pro-open carry people staged an armed protest at the local Nation of Islam, which was attended by dozens of armed protestors plus armed members of the Nation of Islam and the NBPP. Lots of AR-15s, and lots of body armor.

So we have multiple possibilities just within the militia set.

How is civilian body armor legal? Nevermind I don't think I want to know...

 

[Cmagus]

You're probably right, wouldn't surprise me if the mass media was trying to stir something up though.

It usually is, the police had a hand in setting it all up and I mean they were probably setup and positioned before the protest started so it would be easy to get an idea of where things were gonna be located.

I only get CNN here and it's absolutely painful listening to them. They are trying really hard to jump to conclusions and just throwing anything at the wall.

 

[Zoe]

Dammit, Austin ABC lost their feed to Dallas ABC. Who was that person posting all of that crazy stuff?

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Ummm I almost forgot about Timothy McVeigh's inspiration "The Turner Diaries" which is a fictional story about a race war being fomented leading to the eventual overthrow of the U.S Government...scary shit!


http://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532

 

[EatinOlives]

This is just pure insanity, and instantly kills any hope of police demilitarization for the next 10 or even 20 years. Just crushing.

This was extremely well coordinated and at least one of the suspects very obviously had military training. The police will need to start ramping up its preparedness and sets back all talk about the overly aggressive police presence in protests like Ferguson last year, and any progress made since then. I don't know if I'm wrong about this, but despite all the terrorist attacks and shootings both here and abroad this year, this seems to be the one that has truly damaged the country at its core. And I hate typing that up because I know that's what these motherfuckers wanted. They hurt BLM. They hurt Obama's pleas for police reform. They ramped up angst in gun control. The one fucking time a police department shows up in solidarity with protests results in a massacre almost exclusively aimed at them. They managed to fuck this from every possible angle.

 

[Gattsu25]

Jesus @ the video that MSNBC just played. Pure terror.

FUCK

RIP to all

Jesus fucking christ.

Stay safe, everyone.

 

[Daft Punk]

Are the suspects POC?

 

[reckless]

Mike Leslie of WFAA now has the video of of Dallas PDs original POI handing over his gun to the police back when the shooting first took place. Hopefully more people see it and retweet it.

https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/751292548258209793

Damn he's lucky he got that on video. Won't stop a ton of people retweeting and sharing his picture though

 

[Staccat0]

R.I.P to all the officers. This is absolutely terrible. The shooters are despicable and no matter their internal rationale, are the scummiest of scum. These cops were doing their job, policing and supporting the protesters.

It was extremely honorable to have officers stand side by side with the protesters. They were interacting with their community, showing solidarity with more than a thousand people outraged over the deaths of Castille and Sterling. Community policing is what it is called, and it absolutely works in neighborhoods. Cops are humanized, and the cops get to know the people they are sworn to protect and serve.

I can't expect Dallas P.D to do that again. How can you when as soon as you let your guard down, something like this happens.

Let it be known, these shooters are not indicative of the BLM movement, nor should anyone think that this was inevitable. The country was/is collectively furious about the killings over the last couple of days, but to fire into a peaceful protest has given more ammunition to all those that say we are monkeys, thugs, and gangbangers who can't do anything right. I'm utterly dejected.

There is a culture war going on. The prize are the millions of Americans who are predisposed to thinking ill of blacks. Over that last few decades, their justifications get chipped away little by little, and as I posted in the Philandro Castille thread their diet racism gets harder and harder to justify until they aren't anymore. We were on that path in my opinion, with the overwhelming support that I saw from the most unlikely sources (i.e. those Diet Racists). All of that emotional capital was just washed away. Everyone's worse fears are suddenly confirmed, and everything goes right back to where we were.

These shooters fucked everything up. In a more just world, we should be able to be accountable for ourselves, but the far right will label him a BLMer, ask again "what is going on with the black youth!?". Trump will make a blowhard message about "getting to the bottom of this" and how he will be tough on crime. Obama will be seen as a sympathizer to the shooters, fueling even more partisan bullshit when we all should collectively mourn.

It's too much. Too depressing to think about yet this will dominate our collective minds for a long time. Blue Lives Matters bills will pass that will shit on the civil rights of people, driving us closer to a police state. I hope i'm wrong, but... I don't think so.

I'm tired.

I'm sorry man. You are so right and I'm sorry

 

[akira28]

hrm. I've been hearing a lot of this "the end is coming" talk...I wonder what the hay these guys are onto and who they are with.

 

[Cabbagehead]

I don't see what other outcome you'd get in this situation. Peace and Calm has been preached for 100's of years to people getting shit all over, with no results. I don't think I'm alone, knowing this was going to be the eventual outcome. What is our government going to do about this before it continues to escalate. The police aren't going to take this, and apparently neither are the civilians. Was that a cop that the sniper rushed? Lord.

Exactly, well thought out action by those that say they have Americans best interest in mind (even if it usually come after a tragedy only the illusion of change is seen) .There needs something done or this will continue to happen. On both sides and even more so for fringe citizens.