Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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My condolences to the families of the slain.

Thanks to the mods (Besada!), for moderating this thread. It's been a mess.

This is why I've stopped getting involved in these threads if I'm not located in the local vicinity and worried about safety and people I know irl. It turns into a circus that the news exploit with wrong information. It's always better to wait and get informed information within a day or two afterwards.
 
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Professor Lich said:
Can't say for sure but first bans usually are a warning for members.
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Yeah I got a ban after missing the op on a topic once after joining page 127 of something.

Was 2 weeks

Might have been more but I did a quick edit after realising I'd f'ed up!

It was a surprisingly refreshing detox though - didn't realise how much time I spent on here!
 
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A terrible occurrence. It did shock me to wake up and see what happened. But it did not surprise me. Being British I feel removed from the emotional aspects of the shootings. But with all that's happened just this year in the last 6 months alone I feel it gets harder and harder for Americans to justify their gun laws. Best regards to you all.
 
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Media said:
Can we stop having people justifying this out of the corner of their mouths please?
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He's not at all justifying it. He's just saying we shouldn't be surprised. It's not an unreasonable thing to say if you've been paying attention to police culture for the last several years.

We can be saddened by the tragic loss of life while also understanding the conditions that lead to this.
 
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MisterFalcon said:
Radical white militias have been known to open fire at the cops when they enter their houses but have they ever gone out and carry out an attack as these ? This fits the pattern of an ISIS attack far better or some cartel. An awful lot of people really want this to be a militia it seems.
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There were plenty of opportunities to shoot hundreds of clumped up people while marching. Instead they focused on cops. This ain't ISIS.
 
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I've shot steel core ammunition and the sparks are much smaller (if they ever happen). Either he was using some kind of signaling rounds (which is weird, as they generally bounce off/stay there instead of exploding) or he was using steel core rounds and the camera sensor is picking a crazy amount of light from the fragments.

The whole situation is fairly intriguing.

Edit: I've never noticed such sparking, but some YouTube videos show a lot of it during night shooting, so maybe he was using steel core ammunition.
 
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Cromwell said:
He's not at all justifying it. He's just saying we shouldn't be surprised. It's not an unreasonable thing to say if you've been paying attention to police culture for the last several years.

We can be saddened by the tragic loss of life while also understanding the conditions that lead to this.
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Seriously people, we don't even know what the fuck happened or the motivations. So yes, saying conditions led to this is speculating and assuming. And it's a stupid fucking game to play right now.

This very well may have been influenced by what many are speculating which is increasing police brutality. It also may be something completely different. We. Just. Don't. Know.
 
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Cappa

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The video of the suspect with the assault rifle closing in on the cop and killing him seems like he has military training.... There's no way an average citizen would be able to do that with an assault rifle....absolutely horrible to watch that video
 
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Yeah, dude was a professional. Firing on the left side and then immediately flanking to the right was some insane ex-military shit or something. Even people trained in firearms would seriously hesitate to just round the corner like that in case the cop was facing the other direction.
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It was everything he did. It was highly calculated. The gunman rushed forward, without firing so that the officer would predictably poke his head out to assess the gunman's whereabouts. Gunman then fired off some quick erratic rounds, not meant to hit, to get the officer to hide without being able to return fire. This kept the gunman safe while advancing despite being in the open and bought him the split second to get in position for the flank. The tactic also served to play a mind trick, establishing in the officer's head that gunman was coming from the direction he glanced in the confusing brief moment he peeked out of cover. The bullets going off to the left reinforced this misdirection.

If this guy isn't military then he's at least been practicing military drills a lot. That was terrifying. PDs are going to be studying that video with recruits for years, like the video of the truck stop.
 
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Alpha Centauri said:
One, we aren't animals in a jungle. Two, this is not backed or supported by the black community in any way, and third we should be utterly shocked at something like this.
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That was well said.

This is utterly shocking news and a disturbing escalation of violence that will only provide more justification for US Police officers to shoot black men.

It's beyond stupid what those snipers did. They are starting a war where they they are unlikely to be affected but will have a devastating effect on victims and their families of future Police shootings.
 
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Funky Papa said:
Could be, but plenty of firing ranges in America offer advanced training courses to civilians. And then you have Magpul catering the dudebro pop with their DVD classes.
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Yeah you just can't draw too much of a conclusion from that beyond, "That one particular guy seemed to have had training." Could be ex-military, ex-cop, could have just practiced on his own, could be anything.

We'll know the names soon enough, there's not much to be gained from trying to guess.
 
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JHoNNy1OoO said:
There were plenty of opportunities to shoot hundreds of clumped up people while marching. Instead they focused on cops. This ain't ISIS.
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ISIS organized or inspired attacks in the West have rarely been at random crowds.Soldiers have been specifically targeted several times when lots of other random people would have been far easier to kill.
 
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hawk2025

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Cromwell said:
He's not at all justifying it. He's just saying we shouldn't be surprised. It's not an unreasonable thing to say if you've been paying attention to police culture for the last several years.

We can be saddened by the tragic loss of life while also understanding the conditions that lead to this.
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We can understand the conditions that led to this once we actually know what the fuck this is in the first place.
 
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You'd have to be training all of the time to be like them.
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You don't know that. Why are so many people pressing this subject though. What is the logical conclusion to "they aren't normal armed assailants they were trained". I don't get what is to be gained by arguing about specifics on this.
 
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Funky Papa said:
Could be, but plenty of firing ranges in America offer advanced training courses to civilians. And then you have Magpul catering the dudebro pop with their DVD classes.
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I don't think it was one of those folks. I mean he was being fired at and seemed like this was nothing new.

I could be wrong hell we still don't even know exactly how many suspects there are. Im hearing everything from two to five suspects. All I know is this is bad bad news for America for many reasons. The sad thing is many people are going to blame protesters and anyone involved with the #blm movement and for all we know the people who are involved with this don't give a shit about any of that and just want to cause anarchy and chaos between the police and citizens.
 
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ssolitare said:
You'd have to be training all of the time to be like them.
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I think he probably has formal training, but picking that kind of skills (the moving and shooting themselves) isn't super difficult. His determination is much more impressive, in my opinion (which may be related by itself to the mental conditioning that comes from formal/intense training).

The way he carried himself reminded me a bit of the Paris shootings.
 
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Mega said:
It was everything he did. It was highly calculated. The gunman rushed forward, without firing so that the officer would predictably poke his head out to assess the gunman's whereabouts. Gunman then fired off some quick erratic rounds, not meant to hit, to get the officer to hide without being able to return fire. This kept the gunman safe while advancing despite being in the open and bought him the split second to get in position for the flank. The tactic also served to play a mind trick, establishing in the officer's head that gunman was coming from the direction he glanced in the confusing brief moment he peeked out of cover. The bullets going off to the left reinforced this misdirection.

If this guy isn't military then he's at least been practicing military drills a lot. That was terrifying. PDs are going to be studying that video with recruits for years, like the video of the truck stop.
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Can I get a youtube link of this video please, im on mobile and facebook vids don't work for me.
 
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cyberheater said:
That was well said.

This is utterly shocking news and a disturbing escalation of violence that will only provide more justification for US Police officers to shoot black men.

It's beyond stupid what those snipers did. They are starting a war where they they are unlikely to be affected but will have a devastating effect on victims and their families of future Police shootings.
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If it is retaliation it's not only reckless and barbaric, it's totally misplaced and uninformed. These local officers seemed to have good relations with the protestors and supported their message.

What a sad story all around. I can't believe law enforcement has allowed its image to be so negative among black citizens with so many incidents.
 
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Foffy

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Man, what the hell is this?

Does anyone have a source that gives this a quick summary? This entire ordeal went down as I was sleeping, but I'm still at a loss for the level of violence on display, here..
 
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You don't know that. Why are so many people pressing this subject though. What is the logical conclusion to "they aren't normal armed assailants they were trained". I don't get what is to be gained by arguing about specifics on this.
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People trying to make sense/understand apparent chaos, madness, fear and sadness.

It is a pretty shocking video not just in terms of content but in terms of how methodical and seemingly reflexive and precise with his decisions the shooter is.
 
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Funky Papa said:
I think he probably has formal training, but picking that kind of skills (the moving and shooting themselves) isn't super difficult. His determination is much more impressive, in my opinion (which may be related by itself to the mental conditioning that comes from formal/intense training).
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One of the reasons I don't think this is connected to the incidents that have affected the black community.

I would t be surprised if it wasn't an ex-military white group that saw the dfw police as being too friendly or in agreement with the protestors. But we don't know anything so wait and see. But the lack of hesitation and swiftness of execution is totally military training in action.
 
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Yeah you just can't draw too much of a conclusion from that beyond, "That one particular guy seemed to have had training." Could be ex-military, ex-cop, could have just practiced on his own, could be anything.

We'll know the names soon enough, there's not much to be gained from trying to guess.
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I think it's important to keep in mind not even the motion, but the fact this was done under heavy fire from many directions. It's one thing to practice a motion or a maneuver at a range, another entirely to do it when you're being actively shot at and attempting to shoot someone else. The way this person operated made them appear fully unphased about what was happening in a way I can only assume comes from experience from a similar scenario.

I absolutely could be fully wrong, perhaps adrenaline kicked in and I'm just giving too much credit to the idea of experience. But as of now in my armchair analysis it seems to be unlikely that it's just a hunch there wasn't some form of training/experience involved.

Speculation and breaking down an incident is a part of the process for some people when it comes to understanding events.
 
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Did one of the suspects shoot himself? Took a break from the chaos to play some Xbox and an update on my phone (USA Today) said "Reports: Dallas suspect in standoff with police shoots himself."

And in very sad "this is America" news, this is the 2nd "...since 9/11" event to occur in the last month

-Orlando: deadliest terrorist attack since 9/11
-Dallas: deadliest day for law enforcement since 9/11
 
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Jonm1010 said:
People trying to make sense/understand apparent chaos, madness, fear and sadness.

It is a pretty shocking video not just in terms of content but in terms of how methodical and seemingly reflexive and precise with his decisions the shooter is.
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Fair enough. I'm just sitting here desperately waiting to know more about the perpetrators because right now people are politicizing the motives of killers who are as of right now completely unknown which includes bunching them together with BLM into this bizarre anti US militant humunculis of bullshit and I just wish more substantial information was out there instead of this kind of, imo, aimless speculation.
 
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Tron#1 said:
Where do they find these black people to talk on fox news just so horrible... but yet predictable what stance they take.
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Cherry picking.

It's always interesting to drive home late at night and catch BBC world services on NPR here.

One for its quality but also for how tgey go the opposite of American news and look for the most well articulated and refined people on the street. The ones who can voice the general opinion but do so the most intelligently. Contrast with Fox that is clearly looking for the lowest of the rung to suite a narrative or for sensationalism.

It's always a moment of, yeah crazy it takes the British to reflect America in a proper light and show that not all people are a bunch of blubbering, ignorant idiots like a Jimmy Kimmel skit.
 
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I don't want to see any of the shooting videos but there really aren't any clear clips or pics of the shooters faces, even though 3 of them are in custody? I want to see them.
 
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