And you seem incredibly clueless. You talk about this like it's a video game where officers are Solid Snake and can run around non-lethally incapacitating enemies with ease. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)
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And you seem incredibly clueless. You talk about this like it's a video game where officers are Solid Snake and can run around non-lethally incapacitating enemies with ease. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I'm not emotional at all. I barely have feelings in the first place. I'm saying what they did is correct, because they're professionals, and it worked exactly as intended. Try to criticize the outcome, not the what ifs. See where that gets you.
old manatee
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I must have missed the meeting where we authorized our police force to use bomb-carrying robots to execute citizens on US soil, my bad.
BudokaiMR2
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People second guessing the decisions to blow the dude up is some incredibly silly shit.
Once he claimed to have a bomb--in an area where civilians probably weren't completely evacuated--anything was fair game as far as I am concerned.
This wasn't some heat of the moment crime of passion, or a person who is legitimately unstable (as in mental illness etc.)
This amount of planning and premeditation is disgusting and I doubt they truly believed the situation could be de-escalated safely without putting more officers in danger.
Edit: some of you need to remember their priority is to protect innocent people, not this piece of shit. As far as they knew, he could have had some serious hardware (not a bad assumption considering their other hardware) and other's lives were in danger as a result.
I didn't expect to come back to this thread and start fuming at members here. Seriously. Sit back and think about what you are criticizing.
Once he claimed to have a bomb--in an area where civilians probably weren't completely evacuated--anything was fair game as far as I am concerned.
This wasn't some heat of the moment crime of passion, or a person who is legitimately unstable (as in mental illness etc.)
This amount of planning and premeditation is disgusting and I doubt they truly believed the situation could be de-escalated safely without putting more officers in danger.
Edit: some of you need to remember their priority is to protect innocent people, not this piece of shit. As far as they knew, he could have had some serious hardware (not a bad assumption considering their other hardware) and other's lives were in danger as a result.
I didn't expect to come back to this thread and start fuming at members here. Seriously. Sit back and think about what you are criticizing.
many places
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It's been said a few times in this thread, but DPD has a decent reputation. Certainly a lot better than the surrounding suburbs PDs. DPD police chief is a good dude.
DontBeThatGuy
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I can't say that anything that will actually be gained from that. Police Reform Activism, BLM in particular will still be in the crosshairs of his party, and the news orgs that benefit them.
Racist will feel emboldened here, expect much more ugliness, and the police shootings before this will be an afterthought, or simply drowned out.
Everything is a mess.
We have no clue if he actually had bombs or was just bluffing. All you need to make a sniper rifle is a hunting rifle and a scope.
Yeah, they seem like extremely caring and compassionate people. My heart goes out to them.
They obviously should have activated bullet time, entered the room doing cartwheels to avoid fire and used their targeting reticules to aim for the weak point in the shooters limbs.
Corronchilejano
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A violent well trained racist cop killer doesn't deserve your pity. Whatever your feelings may be about the status of systemic racism in no way justifies murdering people based on their job or the color of their skin.
Considering the video where he quickly takes down someone that surprised him from behind, I see no problem in using unorthodox methods to take him down.
Considering the video where he quickly takes down someone that surprised him from behind, I see no problem in using unorthodox methods to take him down.
This is going to end poorly. Police are going to be even more jumpy, more civilians will end up dead and likely more people will start declaring war on the Police. Be extra careful with any police interactions Gaffers.
Maybe a citizen/police war can be avoided if the Justice Department jumped in and started some sweeping changes on the police in this country ASAP, but somehow I don't see that happening.
Maybe a citizen/police war can be avoided if the Justice Department jumped in and started some sweeping changes on the police in this country ASAP, but somehow I don't see that happening.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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That's the problem. It was vague.
You make it sound like hes the victim and the police are the bad guys for setting off a small controlled charge that neutralized the crazy ass murdered who just took part in killing 5 officer in the middle of a street and injuring 7+ more.
Its not like they strapped 5 C4s to a robot and drove in and leveled the whole building. Cmon.
Great, non-partisan, non-biased speech. I'll admit I expected something more political from him.
maquiladora
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AFAIK there is no bomb materials, he just shouted threats about bombs. The "sniper rifle" here is probably a hunting rifle with a scope, not some kind of special weapon.
many places
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They weren't just "executing a citizen" though. It's not like this dude was just chilling in a parking garage minding his own business. Do you really see this so black and white?
DragonSworne
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wesleyshark
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I'm sorry but that's not at all what happened here.
Oh no doubt they will still use this as a weapon of propaganda, 100 percent. But Paul Ryan's statement is important to show that the leader of the house is not going that direction.
just a thought, but a remote controled robot would less likely to kill a person since the police officer doesn't have to fear for their own life
metalslimer
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What exactly is the difference between that and other forms of lethal force? Is it the fact that it's a robot? ANd how exactly was this an execution with someone who refused to surrender peacefully?
TheFuzz
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Execute? Are you friggin kiddin me?
If we could have saved lives in Orlando, Sandy Hook, or any other mass shooting by using a robot to "execute" the perpetrator, you wouldn't do it?
I hope his is trolling. Because if not.... Damn. This is NOT what anyone is complaining about. And damn if you or Anyone else actually think like this.
I dunno. I feel strongly about police violence, but if this guy is barricaded in and taking shots at officers, if they flew an actual drone in I doubt I'd be too concerned.
I think the topic is a complex one. There's a big difference between the amount of force the police should use day to day and the amount I'm okay with them having access to in appropriate situations. Controlling the definition of those situations is a problem.
who just killed 5 officers (and wounded more) in cold blood..
stop whatever you think you are doing.. please..
I feel the same way. This was a perfect example of why police are armed and this was the correct use of force. The police killed last night had nothing to do with whatever motivations the shooter had other than the color of their skin and their job. He should get no sympathy.
How many more officers had to die before the suspect was taken into custody if we did it your way? Which by the way was what suggestions again?
Seductivpancakes
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You know detonating bombs with bombs isn't exactly a new concept right?
Palculator
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After he killed five of them and they tried negotiating with him for more than four hours to no result.
cr0w
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Micah Xavier Jackson. He wanted to kill white people and white police officers. That's all I know so far, and until it's confirmed take it with a grain of salt.
If the police got a robot in there with an explosive you could argue they could have been able to get a robot in there with tear gas. But considering we're talking about a suspect who killed innocent police/shot innocent police and people, and the guy refused to surrender to police, I don't see an issue with the explosives outside of not being able to get more info out of the suspect.
It still doesn't solve the root of the problem. That just puts a bandaid (that will wear off) on an amplifier.
Calamari41
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That someone else, not him of course, go into that deathtrap of a parking garage and "stun" him.
Corronchilejano
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Police being armed did nothing to stop this man. A SWAT team had to be called and then a robot had to aproach him with a bomb.
That explains the flanking.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
You propose that they all risk their lives and attempt to stun the guy, while hoping he doesn't set off these hypothetical bombs in the stun process, and use him to figure out where the bombs are? They have a trained bomb squad for all that. That's how they determined there was no bomb after the fact.
What's the difference in this situation between a cop piloting a drone to take a violent attacker out versus a cop putting themselves in even more danger to shoot them with a gun? It's not like they didn't try other avenues of de-escalation first.
When I say police I'm referring to SWAT as well.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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And he shot 11 people, killing 5.
You can't honestly be trying to downplay what the murderer did.
Life is not a video game. It's precious. They did what they had to.
Hip Hop
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This is true
Least shocking thing out if this if true. You don't learn to approach and plan stuff like this in your backyard.
He seemed adept with a weapon and positioning. This makes sense.
Bearjewpiter
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This is important. If the police could have taken a shot at him or rushed in and stunned him with a big flare of heroic music then they probably would have. But if the situation is extreme then alternatives have to be used.
Speaking purely monetarily that robot was probably damn expensive and they probably would have preferred to deal with the shooter without it.
wesleyshark
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Not surprising.
TheLostBigBoss
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damn, that explains the moves we saw in that video.
DragonSworne
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So are people not taking the claim of bombs being planted seriously?
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