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[Philippo]

What are all the supposed summons in this image again?

Not necessarily.
A theory of mine is that the painting is part of Lucis mythos, so maybe Niflheim mythos has other summons.

In addition to those two, there's Titan, Shiva and Ramuh on the right side.

I think that Diablo/Death/Grim Reaper is the one below, we even see it in the 2011 trailer.

 

[Famassu]

I ain't keeping my hopes alive for Bahamut. There's been no indication so far.



Aha, I forgot about this dragon.

No indication except Niflheim's emblem being Bahamut...

 

[The Last One]

In addition to those two, there's Titan, Shiva and Ramuh on the right side.

Thanks. BTW, I thought the woman in the other picture was supposed to be Siren.

 

[DeSolos]

I guess he's going to be a big surprise so makes sense they're not spoiling it before release.

Or maybe they did here and Bahamut just looks like that in game. A weird human hybrid.

Cause he's probably secretly

Spoiler

Ardyn

anyways.

 

[Ishida]

I ain't keeping my hopes alive for Bahamut. There's been no indication so far..

C'mon man. Bahamut will be there. He is the most popular summon in the entire franchise. Which mainline Final Fantasy hasn't featured Bahamut in summon form besides FFXII?

He WILL be there. And it will be amazing.

 

[Ketaya]

Or maybe they did here and Bahamut just looks like that in game. A weird human hybrid.

Cause he's probably secretly

Spoiler

Ardyn

anyways.

But wouldn't that mean the woman beside him can't be Leviathan, since we already know how she looks ingame?
Of cause both could have humanoid forms.

 

[Philippo]

Yeah no way Bahamut isn't in there, i'm open to bet on that.

Anyway, i hope those monster hunts are going to be a little bit more than take the job, go to place x, fight monster y.
Not expecting the same quality as the Behemot hunt from ED for every quest, but i hope at least some of them will feature gimmicks like special conditions, lure, tailings and maybe some NPCs.

 

[Koozek]

I was actually being sarcastic in my response because we haven't seen the whole game and we've already seen a few NPC's of color.

Lol, oops, didn't read your post fully.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Yeah no way Bahamut isn't in there, i'm open to bet on that.

Anyway, i hope those monster hunts are going to be a little bit more than take the job, go to place x, fight monster y.
Not expecting the same quality as the Behemot hunt from ED for every quest, but i hope at least some of them will feature gimmicks like special conditions, lure, tailings and maybe some NPCs.

FFXII made basically every mob hunt an entertaining time sink so I have faith if it's anything like Duscae it'll be great

 

[The Last One]

I think the Behemoth from Episode Duscae was actually a hunt.

 

[OmegaDL50]

C'mon man. Bahamut will be there. He is the most popular summon in the entire franchise. Which mainline Final Fantasy hasn't featured Bahamut in summon form besides FFXII?

He WILL be there. And it will be amazing.

Yeah, Bahamut even existed in FF1, while he wasn't a Summon monster in that game he basically was what allowed you to upgrade to your second class.

Bahamut is the longest running Summon monster in the FF series and has been in every single game in the series in some shape or form. So it would be strange for FFXV to not include him.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Yeah, Bahamut even existed in FF1, while he wasn't a Summon monster in that game he basically was what allowed you to upgrade to your second class.

Bahamut is the longest running Summon monster in the FF series and has been in every single game in the series in some shape or form. So it would be strange for FFXV to not include him.

The most powerful as well right ?

 

[rayman1900]

FFXII made basically every mob hunt an entertaining time sink so I have faith if it's anything like Duscae it'll be great

I would maybe see basic mob hunt for non-rare monsters, but I'm not expecting to have every single monsters having specials conditions, lures and npcs, etc, not within the current scope of the game. I would imagine trying to hunt the big crow seen in the reclaim your throne trailer more than just take the quest, get to the monster and fetch the rewards, and I would imagine the same for very specials monsters, like summons for example.

 

[AuthenticM]

The most powerful as well right ?

Usually. In FFIX, he was even important to the game's plot. Same in XIV.

 

[paragonpro]

Your underestimating what these consoles can do.

Ive seen some amazing looking games like uncharted 4 and battlefront, but those arent huge open worlds :/

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Usually. In FFIX, he was even important to the game's plot. Same in XIV.

Yup, plus 7 had like 3 types.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Thanks. BTW, I thought the woman in the other picture was supposed to be Siren.

In the FF series, Siren's mostly always been depicted as a bird woman, not a fish woman. The only time she's been a mermaid was Final Fantasy Dimensions. Every time she's been a summon, she's been bird-like. I know people say, "But, the Greek myth....", which I never felt had much standing. Traditions in the FF series seem to mean something. It's why we aren't getting a giant fish called Bahamut. In FF, it will always be the "King of Dragons", just like Ixion will always be some sort of unicorn and not a guy bound to a massive burning wheel(despite that image would certainly look cool).

 

[a916]

It's not the battle or action screen shots that I really like... it's the pulling up to a gas station and the shops that has me excited.

 

[entremet]

Sephiroth and Yuffie cameo?

 

[YankeeDonB]

In addition to those two, there's Titan, Shiva and Ramuh on the right side.

Seems weird if there's no Ifrit.

And we know Tabata's favorite is Odin (who seems to be in the Amano Uncovered art).

And of course there's Carbuncle, who's presumably not the only little secondary summon...

So my assumption is this picture isn't comprehensive.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Ive seen some amazing looking games like uncharted 4 and battlefront, but those arent huge open worlds :/

Your saying you haven't seen amazing looking open worlds like Horizon, or Farcry, ect?

A lot of people forget that many devs still haven't even released PS4(and XB1) games fully taking advantage of the hardware. FF15 will be a new first for the 8th gen

 

[CrimsonSquall]

I would maybe see basic mob hunt for non-rare monsters, but I'm not expecting to have every single monsters having specials conditions, lures and npcs, etc, not within the current scope of the game. I would imagine trying to hunt the big crow seen in the reclaim your throne trailer more than just take the quest, get to the monster and fetch the rewards, and I would imagine the same for very specials monsters, like summons for example.

Pretty sure that's how it was in FFXII

 

[.JayZii]

In the FF series, Siren's mostly always been depicted as a bird woman, not a fish woman. The only time she's been a mermaid was Final Fantasy Dimensions. Every time she's been a summon, she's been bird-like. I know people say, "But, the Greek myth....", which I never felt had much standing. Traditions in the FF series seem to mean something. It's why we aren't getting a giant fish called Bahamut. In FF, it will always be the "King of Dragons", just like Ixion will always be some sort of unicorn and not a guy bound to a massive burning wheel(despite that image would certainly look cool).

Sirens were bird women in the original Greek myths as well.

People have been mixing up mermaids and Sirens for centuries; FF actually got it right.

 

[Falk]

The most powerful as well right ?

VII had a series of increasingly more powerful Bahamuts.

Yup, plus 7 had like 3 types.

BAHAMUT SIN

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

VII had a series of increasingly more powerful Bahamuts.



BAHAMUT SIN

If we are including Advent Children, might as well include Bahamut Fury from Crisis Core. Five Bahamuts in FFVII's world. Damn!

 

[Falk]

If we are including Advent Children, might as well include Bahamut Fury from Crisis Core. Five Bahamuts in FFVII's world. Damn!

They'll just keep adding more till we can have Bahamuts of the Round or something

 

[Mediking]

It's not the battle or action screen shots that I really like... it's the pulling up to a gas station and the shops that has me excited.

Episode Duscae was great to me. I had so much fun fighting that returning to see civilization was extra special.

 

[Ray Down]

Wonder if Odin will be found randomly in the world.

 

[Zolbrod]

LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS MAKING ME GRIN SO HARD RIGHT NOW. DIALOGUE OPTIONS, MY BOY.

Relax, she's just asking if you want to accept a quest, and your options are

Yes
No
Have another party member do it

Don't expect this game to have actual dialogue options.

 

[Vin_Mistborn]

Relax, she's just asking if you want to accept a quest, and your options are

Yes
No
Have another party member do it

Don't expect this game to have actual dialogue options.

Haha, yeah. Especially since no other mainline (non-MMO) FF game has had really in-depth dialogue options (at least not that I remember). So, just think of the "dialogue options" you've seen in other past FF games, and that's more than likely what can be expected from FFXV.

 

[Irishonion]

Episode Duscae was great to me. I had so much fun fighting that returning to see civilization was extra special.

Also a ton packed into a small package, could never see criticism.

 

[Mediking]

Relax, she's just asking if you want to accept a quest, and your options are

Yes
No
Have another party member do it

Don't expect this game to have actual dialogue options.

Potential....wasted. Like seriously... potential wasted.

Also a ton packed into a small package, could never see criticism.

Episode Duscae was amazing, man. Freaking great all around. It also helped me get over arguing over the guy's outfits.

 

[DeSolos]

Also a ton packed into a small package, could never see criticism.

If I had to say one thing, Episode Duscae didn't seem to tell a story of any consequence. Where as, your average Witcher quest, which has a similar scale as the Behemoth quest would tell an interesting character story that had a proper beginning, middle, and an ending. So from that perspective it was a bit lacking from a story standpoint. Platinum almost had a story. I think if it was more substantial and satisfying, like say the kind of content we see in Brotherhood, people would probably enjoy the demos more.

That said, the density of content is just right in my opinion. Roughly 3 hours of content for that small area is plenty. I think most people probably spent too much time looking for more content after they already consumed the content that was there. In the final game you can move on after that and seek more content so it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Death Penalty]

I ain't keeping my hopes alive for Bahamut. There's been no indication so far.

Bahamut is a shoe-in, man! This game is all about classic summons according to Tabata, and there is no summon more classic than the king of dragons. I'd be willing to stake quite a lot on him being in the game.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Bahamut is a shoe-in, man! This game is all about classic summons according to Tabata, and there is no summon more classic than the king of dragons. I'd be willing to stake quite a lot on him being in the game.

Not having Bahamut is like a FF game without chocobos.

 

[Zedark]

If I had to say one thing, Episode Duscae didn't seem to tell a story of any consequence. Where as, your average Witcher quest, which has a similar scale as the Behemoth quest would tell an interesting character story that had a proper beginning, middle, and an ending. So from that perspective it was a bit lacking from a story standpoint. Platinum almost had a story. I think if it was more substantial and satisfying, like say the kind of content we see in Brotherhood, people would probably enjoy the demos more.

That said, the density of content is just right in my opinion. Roughly 3 hours of content for that small area is plenty. I think most people probably spent too much time looking for more content after they already consumed the content that was there. In the final game you can move on after that and seek more content so it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't really agree with your contention that the Behemoth quest was not as well-structured as a Witcher 3 larger side quest. One thing you should remember is that you are dropped into the middle of the quest, and didn't experience the start of the quest (you were only told about it). Besides that, the hunt for Behemoth was better than most monster hunts in the witcher in my opinion, since it requires you to take a large intermediate step in order to beat behemoth, making it more than a straightforward confrontation.

I personally spend around 6 hours in Duscae, though most time was checking out the battle system and doing some leveling.

 

[Death Penalty]

I will mention though that people speculating about summons should probably remember that Tabata said fans would find the number of them in the game "underwhelming". Outside of the painting, I'd guess there will be a very small number of other Astrals. Carbuncle and maybe one other staple like Ifrit.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I will mention though that people speculating about summons should probably remember that Tabata said fans would find the number of them in the game "underwhelming". Outside of the painting, I'd guess there will be a very small number of other Astrals. Carbuncle and maybe one other staple like Ifrit.

If I were to guess

Confirmed: Titan, carbuncle, Levithian, Ramuh
My guesses: Odin, bahamut, a toss up between shiva and ifrit
Bonus guess: diablos

I say we get 7 summons with 8 being the max. I'm sure we'll get more via dlc's and whatnot if they do story expansions or something along those lines.

 

[elohel]

He has a "What am I doing here?" look going on.

That "I'm the only one here" look lol

 

[YankeeDonB]

Wonder if Odin will be found randomly in the world.

Best way for him to be acquired. But given the amount of work that seems to go into implementing XV's summons, hard to imagine they'd leave one too far off the beaten path.

 

[Death Penalty]

If I were to guess

Confirmed: Titan, carbuncle, Levithian, Ramuh
My guesses: Odin, bahamut, a toss up between shiva and ifrit
Bonus guess: diablos

I say we get 7 summons with 8 being the max. I'm sure we'll get more via dlc's and whatnot if they do story expansions or something along those lines.

This doesn't seem too far off from my expectations, though I'm a little bit more pessimistic than you. My guess for a lineup would be:

Ramuh
Titan
Leviathan
Carbuncle
Shiva
Ifrit
Bahamut

Shiva definitely appears right in the Lucian legend artwork, so she's a shoe-in, and after stating that the summons will all be familiar faces and classic summons I'd be shocked if Ifrit weren't in. I'm not too optimistic for Odin despite the appearance of a rider in the Big Bang artwork. There were actually two riders which muddies the waters a bit for me as you'd expect Odin to be unique. A Gamespot or maybe Game Informer preview also said something about the list of summons not being surprising, so I'd figure Diabolos and other more oddball summons are out. I'd also say seven is a pretty underwhelming number, where eight is starting to get into more reasonable territory but that's more a gut thing.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

This doesn't seem too far off from my expectations, though I'm a little bit more pessimistic than you. My guess for a lineup would be:

Ramuh
Titan
Leviathan
Carbuncle
Shiva
Ifrit
Bahamut

Shiva definitely appears right in the Lucian legend artwork, so she's a shoe-in, and after stating that the summons will all be familiar faces and classic summons I'd be shocked if Ifrit weren't in. I'm not too optimistic for Odin despite the appearance of a rider in the Big Bang artwork. There were actually two riders which muddies the waters a bit for me as you'd expect Odin to be unique. A Gamespot or maybe Game Informer preview also said something about the list of summons not being surprising, so I'd figure Diabolos and other more oddball summons are out. I'd also say seven is a pretty underwhelming number, where eight is starting to get into more reasonable territory but that's more a gut thing.

I know it doesn't count but I get the feeling Noctis is related to the Knights of round in the sense that he collects phantom swords and such.

 

[Mediking]

If I had to say one thing, Episode Duscae didn't seem to tell a story of any consequence. Where as, your average Witcher quest, which has a similar scale as the Behemoth quest would tell an interesting character story that had a proper beginning, middle, and an ending. So from that perspective it was a bit lacking from a story standpoint. Platinum almost had a story. I think if it was more substantial and satisfying, like say the kind of content we see in Brotherhood, people would probably enjoy the demos more.

That said, the density of content is just right in my opinion. Roughly 3 hours of content for that small area is plenty. I think most people probably spent too much time looking for more content after they already consumed the content that was there. In the final game you can move on after that and seek more content so it shouldn't be an issue.

I already had that super enriched quests experience in Witcher 3. It's one of my favorite games. I'm not expecting FFXV to drop super enriched quests like how Witcher 3 did BUT... BUT... I do wanna laugh, smile, and get emotional with FFXV quests. Quests shouldn't be a chore in FFXV. They oughta be a good time.

 

[DeSolos]

I don't really agree with your contention that the Behemoth quest was not as well-structured as a Witcher 3 larger side quest. One thing you should remember is that you are dropped into the middle of the quest, and didn't experience the start of the quest (you were only told about it). Besides that, the hunt for Behemoth was better than most monster hunts in the witcher in my opinion, since it requires you to take a large intermediate step in order to beat behemoth, making it more than a straightforward confrontation.

I personally spend around 6 hours in Duscae, though most time was checking out the battle system and doing some leveling.

To be clear, I was commenting on how it was presented explicitly in Episode Duscae. Also I never said I had any problems with the structure. I had an issue with the lack of context and character development(story).

In a Witcher 3 hunt, the hunt itself is just the setting. The real story comes from the context added by the characters wrapped up in the quest. Typically the context comes in the form of an entire story arc.

For better or worse, the Episode Duscae quest focused on the moment to moment of the hunt, and didn't attempt to add meaningful context beyond "car's broke, let's get money". Where as a more interesting subplot may have revolved around Prompto struggling with his own self confidence as a member of the group as a result of him apparently busting the car, and as the quest goes on maybe he begins to see where he fits into the group and ultimately finds a new resolve to try to be a better teammate/friend. Or take your pick of any other character or set of characters and make it about them. Brotherhood is doing quite well with that style of storytelling.

To be fair, Duscae was a preview. Implementing that kind of context requires the creation of a lot of content that was probably out of the scope of that demo's budget. These types of stories may be very common in FFXV. That said, the lack of context in the demo as it was delivered left the experience feeling a bit dry. If it wasn't representative of the average writing level they shoot for in a quest of that caliber in the final game, great. If that quest really would've had a lot more payoff if we had only seen what lead up to it, or what came right after, great. That being said, the demo released as it was, and unfortunately the lack of context(in this demo and their entire marketing campaign so far) is probably why even to this day a lot of people don't "get" FFXV.

 

[dragonzdogma]

This doesn't seem too far off from my expectations, though I'm a little bit more pessimistic than you. My guess for a lineup would be:

Ramuh
Titan
Leviathan
Carbuncle
Shiva
Ifrit
Bahamut

Shiva definitely appears right in the Lucian legend artwork, so she's a shoe-in, and after stating that the summons will all be familiar faces and classic summons I'd be shocked if Ifrit weren't in. I'm not too optimistic for Odin despite the appearance of a rider in the Big Bang artwork. There were actually two riders which muddies the waters a bit for me as you'd expect Odin to be unique. A Gamespot or maybe Game Informer preview also said something about the list of summons not being surprising, so I'd figure Diabolos and other more oddball summons are out. I'd also say seven is a pretty underwhelming number, where eight is starting to get into more reasonable territory but that's more a gut thing.

What's the main line Final Fantasy with the most summons ?
I'm sorry guys,8 seems limited , carbuncle shouldnt count either.

 

[Meowster]

I'm loving what I am seeing, Square. E3 was a little bit of a disappointment but they really rebounded afterwords. A lot better presentations and Kingsglaive and Brotherhood really brought back my hype. Can't wait to play the game.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

7 summons is dissapointing? The fuck? Did anyone here play FFXIII? Regardless, I only ever like summons for their boss battles. I basically never use them more than once after I obtain them anyway

 

[DeSolos]

What's the main line Final Fantasy with the most summons ?
I'm sorry guys,8 seems limited , carbuncle shouldnt count either.

7 and 8 had 16

10 had 8

I think it all comes down to FFXV in general trying to focus on quality over quantity. It seems like the summons are treated the same as any other main character in terms of significance. Assuming only 3 of them are carbuncle tier in terms of how they relate to the story, 5 fully fleshed out non-human characters that have a full story line and massive set piece boss fights are a lot cooler to me than 16 crystal balls you find along your way.

 

[jiggle]

I want more summons
With KOTR being the last after u defeat all xiii of them

They are literally tje best part of tjis game right now


After sucking in xii, xiii, and xiv in particular
It`s time for summons tonshine again

 

[Irishonion]

I remember a interview about Tabata talking summons, he didnt give a number but basically said keep expectations in check with summons. Which in turn made a lot assume that there wouldnt be alot.

I hope there's a lot. Summons look freaking awesome.