CNBC and NBC reporters have sources saying Trump campaign staff in disarray

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LiveFromKyoto said:
He called McCain a wimp for being a POW and was still somehow standing on stage for the Republican nomination. You'll have to forgive me if it seems like they don't stand for anything in particular anymore. I guess the one difference is that swing voters weren't paying attention yet when he said that.

But still, he's been saying reprehensible things since day one, and all it's done is underline his belief that there's no such thing as too much attention, negative or otherwise.
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Primary vs general. He got away with that shit during the primaries. The second he started that bullshit against the judge his numbers took a hit. It plays only to his base. The problem is his base alone cannot win him the presidency. He spouted all kinds of bullshit during the primaries that has hurt him as well. Particularly with minority voters. That shit matters. It's going to be the reason why he loses FL. People say he keeps bouncing back. That is only true for his base. He needs to reach more than his base to win. His strategy now is to essentially clean sweep the rust belt + FL. That's how narrow a path he has due to all the shit he has spewed. FL is likely beyond his reach which is going to make it the path worse for him.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
Yup. That shit about banning Muslims and building a wall fucked him, fam.

Personally I dont believe he ever wanted to win. I think he exoected to lose in the primaries and get some good deals out of it. Now he gotta figure his wqy out of the presidency.
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Enh, he had no political credentials whatsoever, and his following was nil. It was that wall talk that built him into someone politically relevant - the moment he made that speech he shot into the spotlight. If he played it safer, he would have been just another rich stuffed suit, and faded by March.
 
kris. said:
the gift that keeps on giving

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i'm so excited for the debates to start
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If he shows up to them!
 
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
 
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
 
Geist- said:
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
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No one sane, but its becoming apparent that he really isnt.

At the bare minimum, Trump is a narcissist with zero impulse control who always has to be right, can't take criticism, thinks anyone who criticizes him is an enemy, and will attack that enemy for saying hurtful things to him no matter what.
 
Geist- said:
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
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As a wrestling fan, I want this to be the case so bad. It would be the swerve of the century.
 
Ape said:
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
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if they fix the donation nonsense, it could happen
 
BFIB said:
I hope it's true, but a rating is a rating.
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Trump is toxic. Advertisers don't want to be associated with him because he hurts their public profile on social media with too many demos, and almost every major corporate sponsor dropped out of the RNC. NBC would get ratings for one show but hurt their enterprise as a whole.
 
Ape said:
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
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Are we getting a whole new system of voting/governance, because that's almost literally impossible with how our system works.

DopeyFish said:
if they fix the donation nonsense, it could happen
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No it couldn't.
 
Geist- said:
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
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The more obvious explanation is that he is a cranky old man who lashes out at anyone and won't back down. So in a sense he's not really a republican because he's as happy to attack Paul Ryan as he is Hillary Clinton
 
Ape said:
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
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You'd have to completely replace the entire electoral system for this to work, or Congress would just elect the President every election (as nobody would be likely to acquire the necessary EVs to win).
 
BigDug13 said:
I had to really lay it out for my mom who's voting for R no matter what. I told her the truth. If Trump was the democratic nominee and someone like Jeb Bush was the Republican nominee, I would vote for the Republican candidate.

This shit isn't about D vs R for me anymore. It's reached "fit vs unfit and dangerous". Trump is the least deserving and most dangerous candidate of my lifetime and I'm 42.
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That is very noble of you. Everyone else is voting for the SCOTUS seats.
 
Ape said:
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
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With more parties, it's very possible that even less legislation would pass through Congress with every parties trying to add their own interests to every bill.
 
Geist- said:
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
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He's done too much (fabricated) damage to Hillary on the right for it to be a ploy. He's just a terrible human being.

Remember, he hit Obama with the birther stuff way back before he was even a blip on the political radar.
 
yeah reworking the system would be tough. It literally just hit me that we are so invested in the broken two party system it would take an act of God to change it.

Fuck
 
crackhead_bob said:
The good ole' days never existed. Do they not realize that Leave it to Beaver was a television sitcom and not some historical documentary?
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I forget which comedian said it, but I remember him saying something like they probably believe "The Flintstones" is a documentary or something.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I don't believe for a second GOP leaders are going to abandon Trump. They will stick on this sinking ship until the end.
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If Trump is attacking them regardless of whether or not they endorse, then they'll turn on him out of self-preservation.

Trump is already telling his supporters that he doesn't fully trust Paul Ryan to be a "powerful" leader. I don't think that's going to be enough to get him to turn, but if Trump escalates the attacks (presumably after he says more dumb things that Ryan disavows), then at a certain point he doesn't gain anything by following this charade of party unity that Trump won't reciprocate. If he's going to eat attacks from Trump regardless, he's better of showing some independence.

I'd be surprised if it reached that point. A lot of very surprising things have happened over the course of this campaign.
 
Ape said:
I hope that in 8 years we have five parties. The republicans have split, democrats, socialist democrats, and a more central party. It would be much healthier than now.
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Not gonna happen until the FPTP system goes away.
 
Ape said:
yeah reworking the system would be tough. It literally just hit me that we are so invested in the broken two party system it would take an act of God to change it.

Fuck
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The problem is First Past The Post as a system for determining a winner. When winner takes all people throw their support behind the candidate that's "good enough" or that they are less worried about to ensure the one they hate doesn't end up winning.
 
Geist- said:
An old theory is popping back up in my head. I mean, no one can actually be like this right? Trump must still be a Democrat at heart and this is all some elaborate scheme to destroy the GOP and get Hillary elected. TBH, that sounds much more likely than our current situation.
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I want to believe.

A small part of me thinks it could still be a possibility...
 
This is some fuckery that I've never seen before in a general election. Could you imagine if Trump bows out before November?

GOP deserves it.
 
He has no GOTV effort or infrastructure. There is going to be election day catastrophes for him across the country that might not even be reflected yet/cannot be reflected yet in his garbage poll numbers.
 
The more people that turn on him, the more he will lash out at those people publicly which will in turn cause more people to turn on him. I think we are witnessing a chain reaction brought on by himself that will get worse.
 
I can't imagine the big GOP names will pull their support for Trump. Doing so would result in less Republican turnout in November which could lead to them losing their grip on Congress.
 
brochiller said:
I can't imagine the big GOP names will pull their support for Trump. Doing so would result in less Republican turnout in November which could lead to them losing their grip on Congress.
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They may have to do it in order to save the party long term
 
brochiller said:
I can't imagine the big GOP names will pull their support for Trump. Doing so would result in less Republican turnout in November which could lead to them losing their grip on Congress.
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At some point, the GOP is probably going to have to focus on trying to save their control of the House and Senate.
 
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