Aaronology
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If your argument is that she chooses positions to take based on what others are doing, her voting record shows otherwise. She is much farther to the left than the vast majority of the Democratic Party and has only moved farther in that direction over time. If your argument is that she does not lead, assert or take stances on issues that are potentially politically unpopular then her exceptionally documented career shows otherwise. Hillary Clinton was a noteworthy First Woman specifically for doing the things you claim she does not and exhibiting the traits you believe she lacks.Holy shit. Can you even read?
I clarified that flip flopping was not the right word.
So Iraq doesnt count.
So changing her view late to the party on Gay marriage when it mattered most doesn't count. Obama did the same? I hold it against Obama too???? Again can you read? There is nothing inconsistent about my position. You just say And TPP so I guess that doesn't count either.
Now, we are getting a Goal post move with: "It is what politicians should do" Pretend to hold one position because it is popular instead of being leaders on an issue. My whole post is that I don't agree that that is what politicians should do. I disagree with that attitude and that practice!
Hillary defense force is hilarious.
When did I say Hillary was 'particularly bad' compared to other politicians? I don't like that she is not better. This is 100% a strawman.
It is like you assume that anyone who is not a Hillary fanboy must be biased unfairly against her. It is pathetic.
Your whole response is a strawman and a goal post move, as explained clearly above.
I'm not suggesting she has not made mistakes, or that she does not currently hold positions that are worthy of criticism. Specifically, I acknowledge Clinton's position on the TPP and I ask you to elaborate on how this supports your characterization of her beyond the fact that you disagree with it. You're welcome to show me where I am moving goal posts here. That's not my intention at all, especially in a thread where people are accusing Hillary Clinton supporters of being unable to endure fair criticisms.
As a gay American I am going to respond with more depth to your continued use of the marriage vote as a criticism. I did not expect Obama or Clinton to publicly support marriage equality during the 2000s and earlier while running for their respective positions. I believe doing so and allowing the GOP to seize the issue as a pivotal wedge would have likely cost Progressivism one its most important elections. And that would have done more damage to LGBTQ rights and marriage equality in the United States.
Indeed, I think it is a little disingenuous of you to keep harping on the marriage vote when your insistence that Obama and the Left in general should have doomed it via premature advocacy suggests it is not an issue you are personally affected by. The left's pragmatism on that issue was not a failure to me. Results are what matter and the end result of liberals biding their time and wisely picking their battles wrt marriage equality is that now I, as a gay man, can marry who the fuck I want when only a few years ago that was an impossibility.
I sincerely do not wish to be the Aaron of your alternative reality where idealism was championed over political pragmatism and every future advocate of LGBTQ rights in the government lost their bid to govern to the GOP and the forward progress of liberalism ground to a halt. Sure, that alt-Aaron may be able to proudly state the liberal politicians he voted for cared more about ideals and being publicly uncompromising and pure. But this Aaron can propose to a man.
I think I win.