No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread

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I'd venture to say that a lot of people who are fine with reviewing before a day 1 patch would change their mind if it were to turn out that the day 1 patch introduces game-breaking bugs or horrible microtransactions.

If reviewers shouldn't have to wait for a day 1 patch that improves the game for 99% of their audience, then it's no big deal for them to pump out a review that doesn't take into account a day 1 patch that might ruin the game for that same audience.
 
On one hand I get what he's going for.. on the other it sounds like he's so bitter that the developer couldn't hold their hand and placate them instead of working on the game. Or to put it another way, "there's something fundamentally wrong with the way reviews are being done" I'd rather HG spent the time making the game better for everyone than placating some small website that's going for hits and advertising dollars.

As a former reviewer, I've had to deal with embargoes and making notes when the product is incomplete. It's unprofessional as hell to do what the reviewer did because of some imagined slight. When all the other, better websites had to professionally deal with the embargo too without tossing up a review and refusing to update the review with the version the majority of players will play. t

Again, I get the frustration and "intent" but it's done in such a snotty way that it makes it hard to take serious, especially when magic rice krispies are brought into the mix.
 
As someone who thinks day one patches is one of the most "middle finger" moves towards customers in this industry, I give a point to this reviewer. Good on him to critic the base package.
 
Cloud7 said:
I have no issues with reviewers reviewing a post-patch game. My opinions is that we should lay off the criticism for people who review the pre-patched versions. If delaying the game was the alternative to the day one patch then to me, that seems like they messed up before that. I'm sure it's hard for developers to nail down a specific date to release a game and realize later that it won't be as finished as it needs to be. I can empathize with that. However, some companies take advantage of this negatively as well. I just think there's room in the review space for people who review post-patch and pre-patch.
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I never once criticized this review. All the power to it.

But the caveat in your argument, is someone will be reading this review online, yet not have their console connected online? That is what makes no sense to me. But to each their own I suppose. Perspectives and all.
 
Yes, I know there’s a day-one patch on the way. What I care about is reviewing what people will have straight out of the box on the day they get their copy, the game that was handed over the counter to them when they parted with their cash in good faith.
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What people will have out of the box IS the day 1 patch stuff! They won't be able to play the game unless they're online and have downloaded the patch.

Right?
 
DeepEnigma said:
I never once criticized this review. All the power to it.

But the caveat in your argument, is someone will be reading this review online, yet not have their console connected online? That is what makes no sense to me. But to each their own I suppose. Perspectives and all.
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Data caps. I can also read things online from a public library or a public network or my phone.
 
That's not a patch imo. That's a you delay the game until that's ready to go. I'll give them the same shit I give Microsoft for still having to connect an Xbox One to the Internet so it doesn't have to connect to the Internet/be used offline. How the hell is that update not just on the console 3 years later? Anyway I'm sorry Sean, but the game you want to be should be on the disc not in a patch.
 
chugen said:
without that big update?
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Don't release buggy games?

Reviewing the experience of people who don't have endless bandwidth and picked up the game over the counter.
Ascenion said:
That's not a patch imo. That's a you delay the game until that's ready to go. I'll give them the same shit I give Microsoft for still having to connect an Xbox One to the Internet so it doesn't have to connect to the Internet/be used offline. How the hell is that update not just on the console 3 years later? Anyway I'm sorry Sean, but the game you want to be should be on the disc not in a patch.
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This. If the day one patch changes the game fundamentally then they didn't go Gold when they said they did: they got approval to launch their Early Access code.
 
Even without the patch..he gave it an 8/10 are we just ignoring that part

Edit: and please if this day one patch(god forbid) broke the game, this would be a mighty different thread.
 
having internet capable of reading reviews does not necessarily mean that person has internet reliable enough to download multi-gig patches
 
Seik said:
As someone who thinks day one patches is one of the most "middle finger" moves towards customers in this industry, I give a point to this reviewer. Good on him to critic the base package.
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You would rather have an unifished game?

And before you say "delay the game", games can only be delayed so much, there's a point when you have to release.
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Even without the patch..he gave it an 8/10 are we just ignoring that part
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Yeah, that's the thing. This isn't a patch that makes the game good, or adds a bunch of missing content.

It's a patch that improves an already-awesome game, fixing bugs, tweaking some things that weren't ideal, and just generally upgrading it.

From what I've seen on the streams, I would not have any beef with this game if I bought the retail copy and that patch never happened.
 
icespide said:
having internet capable of reading reviews does not necessarily mean that person has internet reliable enough to download multi-gig patches
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Well, it is still an 8/10 game (without patch) per that reviewer's opinion. :)

Dubz said:
What is the patch going to do to make the game that much different?
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Read the patch thread.

Vincent Grayson said:
Yeah, that's the thing. This isn't a patch that makes the game good, or adds a bunch of missing content.

It's a patch that improves an already-awesome game, fixing bugs, tweaking some things that weren't ideal, and just generally upgrading it.

From what I've seen on the streams, I would not have any beef with this game if I bought the retail copy and that patch never happened.
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Completely agreed. Listen to this man.
 
The reviews should simply be segmented into two separate categories: Pre and Post Patch. That way people can make an educated purchasing decision based on their particular environment. Make it so!
 
Ascenion said:
That's not a patch imo. That's a you delay the game until that's ready to go. I'll give them the same shit I give Microsoft for still having to connect an Xbox One to the Internet so it doesn't have to connect to the Internet/be used offline. How the hell is that update not just on the console 3 years later? Anyway I'm sorry Sean, but the game you want to be should be on the disc not in a patch.
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Yes then the game would come out in september and they would still keep working on it and come september there would be another giant patch list. Every company has to decide on a point that they make the game gold for pressing. NMS is worse then others but better then some.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
Reviews are supposed to help the consumer. Considering the vast majority of players will be playing day 1 with the update, it's not the most consumer friendly move to make.
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Hmmmm yeah, it's arguably antithetical to the point of reviews.

If reviewers were sent copies of a film which only featured first takes of certain scenes, and were missing other scenes entirely - what's more if they KNEW it was a unfinished pre-release cut - those reviewers would not write reviews of that cut.

Or at least would provide it as a preview.
 
Seik said:
As someone who thinks day one patches is one of the most "middle finger" moves towards customers in this industry, I give a point to this reviewer. Good on him to critic the base package.
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Yeah, its really useful to help know what my experience will be like playing this game when I buy it on day one. Oh wait.

Seriously though. The handful if people who dont have an internet connection may find this review helpful.
 
Anfang said:
One game does not an entire console make. Nice bait tho.
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It's just the principle of it. Before this gen it was like "No! No matter what!!"

Now it's like "Eh, a few games it's OK"

I wonder if by the start of the new gen we'll go back to "Never!!"
 
Vesper73 said:
The reviews should simply be segmented into two separate categories: Pre and Post Patch. That way people can make an educated purchasing decision based on their particular environment. Make it so!
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How many games over the last decade have been released with a day-one update? Why is this an issue now?
 
Tagyhag said:
It's just the principle of it. Before this gen it was like "No! No matter what!!"

Now it's like "Eh, a few games it's OK"

I wonder if by the start of the new gen we'll go back to "Never!!"
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you can play no man's sky entirely offline. what are you even talking about?
 
Seik said:
As someone who thinks day one patches is one of the most "middle finger" moves towards customers in this industry, I give a point to this reviewer. Good on him to critic the base package.
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Why? You don't like games being improved? Day one patches are the best thing that happened to the industry lately, and the most consumer-friendly move possible.

BY2K said:
What people will have out of the box IS the day 1 patch stuff! They won't be able to play the game unless they're online and have downloaded the patch.

Right?
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Wrong.

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Even without the patch..he gave it an 8/10 are we just ignoring that part

Edit: and please if this day one patch(god forbid) broke the game, this would be a mighty different thread.
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I know, that was my understanding. The game is already very good, and then we get more improvements on top of it.
 
Maybe just discuss the review and what he says about the game instead of worrying that it's going to poison people's minds with a horrific 8/10 score.
 
Why does it matter if he reviews it before the patch? When the patch is available he can adjust the review as needed. He's writing opinions, not scripture.
 
I am not sure if I am going to buy this game. I'm interested in reading reviews online to help inform my decision.

Because this review is not of the product I will experience if I buy the game when it's out and play it, it is not useful for me. I will wait for reviews relevant to my interests.

If reviews are just for arguing on the internet then I guess that doesn't matter.
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
You joke but I'm starting to think this should be the websites tagline"argue about nonsense"
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I'd be down for it lol.

I mean, this isn't even a review thread. One silly review sitting in the OP and people fussing about pre and post patch games. This thread was made just to facilitate this tired discussion. A mess.

Good to see the core game is seemingly solid though.
 
No seriously an 8/10 without the patch improvements sounds seriously good to me. Bet if he gave it a 10/10 the tone in this thread would be "how do you even know it's a 10/10 without the patch" now it's "good on you for not waiting on the patch" unbelievable
 
CecilRousso said:
Developers shouldn't continue to improve the game?
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Ferr986 said:
You would rather have an unifished game?

And before you say "delay the game", games can only be delayed so much, there's a point when you have to release.
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IvanJ said:
Why? You don't like games being improved? Day one patches are the best thing that happened to the industry lately, and the most consumer-friendly move possible.
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That's not exactly the point I'm trying to make.

Yes the developers should continue to improve their games, of course.

But if the game changes/upgrades dramatically over a day 1 patch, there is a problem.

I'll be more precise in order to be understood better. When The Evil Within came out I bought it on my way to a vacation spot where there is no Wi-Fi nor internet anywhere nearby. Thing is, game is an atrocity, performance-wise, without the Day 1 patch.

I do think that a game that needs a Day 1 patch to be 'the game' it's supposed to be basically makes your package (when bought physically) worthless in the long run.

In many years, when I'll want to revisit The Evil Within on a PS4 on which I won't be able to download a patch because the service will be gone, my disc will be worth jack because it'll be a total mess of framerate to play, cool huh? I was expecting a GOTY edition to come out but it never did, so yeah, to preservation version of TEW is on PC only it seems because all discs available in the entire market represents the game in an unfinished state.
 
Zombie James said:
Uncharted 4 is clearly an early access game.
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Don't forget 'Halo 5's' Day One Patch Will Be 9GB as well.
 
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