You know No Man's Sky, this really is No Man's Sky.
No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread
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You know No Man's Sky, this really is No Man's Sky.
this game doesn't look very fun to play. like, they added some janky gameplay and janky animals to space engine.
no amount of tacked on backstory or lore is going to make up for gameplay that looks really lacking.
maybe this game will be a victim of it's own hype. maybe it'd have been better received as a lower priced indie pc space explore 'em up.
no amount of tacked on backstory or lore is going to make up for gameplay that looks really lacking.
maybe this game will be a victim of it's own hype. maybe it'd have been better received as a lower priced indie pc space explore 'em up.
DriftingSpirit
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Yes, with an 8/10 pre-patch, it is clear this game will suffer.
bit too early to say isn't it
-Pyromaniac-
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18 pages over 1 review. The thirst is fucking real.
I'd bet all the things to bet that's what it started as and Sony said hey let's blow you guys up.
BassForever
Member
More like No Review's Sky
PeterLegend
Member
Had no idea this game was so anticipated, either people are really interested in seeing it succeed or seeing it fail.
THIS IS NEOGAF
THIS IS NEOGAF
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
How do we think these big publishers amd developers some of you worship got there?
To those who are complaining about reviewing without the Day One Patch...
You guys realize a lot of people do not put their console online right? So, if they can't go online, what kind of game are they getting? So far, a 8/10 which is pretty good! However, making it mandatory to wait for a Day One Patch review is silly. If the patch is that game changing, then some of their customers will get one experience while others get another. Does that sound fair?
You guys realize a lot of people do not put their console online right? So, if they can't go online, what kind of game are they getting? So far, a 8/10 which is pretty good! However, making it mandatory to wait for a Day One Patch review is silly. If the patch is that game changing, then some of their customers will get one experience while others get another. Does that sound fair?
a small minority of people
thehillissilent
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Yeah. Users that don't go online miss out on a ton of stuff like firmware updates, etc.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Does it really matter? Sony gave people to option to play offline, and it was a good selling point.
Yeah, this is probably bullshit. lol
LookAtMeGo
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And they have it and apparently its an 8 out of 10 game so far. And its just like what they have been showing in all pre release media.
Sadly if you want to get the fullest out of a constantly updated and evolving game, you need an internet connection this day and age.
Reviews should reflect the game in the state the vast majority of people will be playing it in. But im not against a review or 2 existing for those with no internet.
Hawk269
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Actually, no it doesn't apply to every game. Did you actually read the patch notes for this game? Those are drastic changes to the actual game. Typical day 1 patches are stability and to fix bugs, not game changing elements. I am not knocking the game, I welcome these changes and improvements, but you are completely wrong in saying that you can say that about every game.
The fact that Sean went on to say that these type of updates that are contained in the day 1 patch are things to expect from future patches. An example is the temporal AA that they will be adding, for some that is a big deal.
My inquiry was more about asking what peoples thought were on possibly waiting. I been wanting this game since they announced it, so for me I am not sure if I will wait, especially with just receiving a $30.00 best buy rewards certificate.
Mass Appeal
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It's 2016. I expect anyone who doesn't have their ps4, PC or xb1 connected to internet to be in the minority. These new consoles basically require a online connection now a days because of patches and mandatory system updates.
Blackleg-sanji1
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A day one patch is indeed a very accruing thing. My point was if you wanted to wait after a bunch of updates that's absolutely fine. It's no different from waiting for updates to game balances,bugs,fps,entire multiplayer modes being gone etc. Wait, nobody is knocking anyone for waiting
reptilescorpio
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It's more that you want ice cream with chocolate syrup but you only buy ice cream at the store and use the chocolate syrup that's at home ready to go once you walk in the door.
Although I agree, review the game as sold. Re-review if the patch/etc changes it enough for that review to no longer be correct. This would be especially great for games like The Witcher 3 or Just Cause 3 which underwent noticeable changes after release due to patches. A review that goes up on the internet can be read by someone days/weeks/months later, the more accurate you can help make their purchasing decision the better.
It's more like if you swipe a sundae from your server before they put the toppings on and then complain that the sundae is lacking.
Sony won the PR war by stating online wasn't a requirement for the system. Now we jump several years and we have a defense stating it "basically requires internet."
And sadly, you're right. Fuck those guys. They're the minority. Right?
This isn't an issue for me. I'm happy they will be supporting the game. However, they are basically transforming the game in a day one patch. The game on the disc is not the game they want you to play on day one. There is something fundamentality wrong with that. I live in a rural mountain town where I sell video games for a living. People in this community turned down the Xbox One in DROVES because of the online requirement. Because they don't have reliable online. I have sold hundreds of PS4s over the years just on this alone. Years later, most still don't have reliable internet. A lot of my customers were super exicted for the game and that it didn't requirement internet. Now, I have to tell them that it basically DOES requirement internet if they want the real game.
That sucks. =/
LookAtMeGo
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The game is playable offline.
This game was designed from the begining to get constant updates and added features as the game grows and evolves.
Sorry but this type of game to enjoy it as its creators intended it to be require an internet connection.
Or you can play it as is and still have a fine game to play that features everything they promised beforehand.
Its not the same as not being able to play because no internet because you can.
This game was designed from the begining to get constant updates and added features as the game grows and evolves.
Sorry but this type of game to enjoy it as its creators intended it to be require an internet connection.
Or you can play it as is and still have a fine game to play that features everything they promised beforehand.
Its not the same as not being able to play because no internet because you can.
BackFromThePast
Banned
So true lol.
As for NMS. I think it will get old and I am not a day oner, but I do want it to succeed because I think if it does it will in time allow others to make something more.
In fact if anything it gives me hope for star citizen....its like NMS but on steroids.
-ImaginaryInsider
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As of 2014, per an official blog post, 90% of PS4 were supposedly online...
Okay so how is the creature AI. Are we looking at pretty simple MMO-ish stuff or does it feel more STALKER-y?
So because you can't get the update easily, fuck everybody else then?
Icyflamez96
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The majority of people will be playing the game with the patch on day 1. Reviews are supposed to be consumer friendly. The review won't be useful to the vast majority of the potential audience who can connect online to access the site and read the review.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Citation needed.
WordsintheWater
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So for those upset about the update not happening for offline players, what's the alternative? If a minority of people can't get it, no one else should? Or did you guys want them to delay the game? I'm genuinely curious.
AcademicSaucer
Member
lol 18 pages
Pure Playstation just made bank.
Pure Playstation just made bank.
KoopaTheCasual
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This. It's like people are blind to nuance and argue over the "principle" of everything, and make dramatic hyperbolic statements. Yes, day-1 patches are a growing and unpleasant trend in the industry. Yes, this hurts people with limited/no internet or data caps.
However, they still get a really solid game, without an internet connection. I'm pretty sure when this game was first announced it was an online-only title (or wasn't clarified if it was playable offline). Since they've confirmed offline play, this game is actually something i might get in the future, day-1 patch be damned.
This is not the game to argue the principle of day-1 patches over. It's a complete experience pre- and post- patch.
Just assuming that the patch doesn't make it unplayable.
schaft0620
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Please tell me you don't put your PlayStation online
Day 1 patches usually don't add the dramatic amount of shit this one will be adding. This is an interesting conundrum.
There should be a limit to the delta between what you're physically purchasing and what having a Internet connection further adds to the disc install.
I mean, if we pretend that this is perfectly fine, why not just phase out physical media altogether? PC games have done it. Is that what everyone wants? Because that's the next step.
Maybe one day Sony goes out of business and thejr servers shut down, and that day one patch is no longer available. Now you're left with a game disc that is essentially an alpha of the game. That's not acceptable.
There should be a limit to the delta between what you're physically purchasing and what having a Internet connection further adds to the disc install.
I mean, if we pretend that this is perfectly fine, why not just phase out physical media altogether? PC games have done it. Is that what everyone wants? Because that's the next step.
Maybe one day Sony goes out of business and thejr servers shut down, and that day one patch is no longer available. Now you're left with a game disc that is essentially an alpha of the game. That's not acceptable.
Yes, my man reptile. The patch is substantial enough to warrant sites waiting.
I'm sorry. Where did I say I couldn't get the update? I didn't. I can update perfectly.
That post was after launch where early adopters are usually the ones online? Got the stats now?
Whatever. My general point was that it would be nice if publishers and developers at least got this stuff on the disc at launch and provide a better product out of the box. How many threads have we had over the years lamenting the day one patch? Now, it's okay? Especially when it's a pretty major one adding big features? Alright.
I'll just back away now.
Hope to see the next gen of consoles to be online only for the reactions. =)
We had 6 weeks to chill, realized the game was kinda shit, so we changed everything?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
No. The game that was printed needs to get out before release, and that takes time. So, like most companies do, they go gold with a version that will end up being 1-3 months old when the game releases, and then they use that time from gold to launch to do a patch that will be added to the game at launch. It allows them to keep working right up to release, and if features arent ready, they don't get left on the cutting room floor so to speak.
EDIT: Read this guys http://ramiismail.com/2016/08/patch-the-process/
eyeball_kid
Member
Yup, but we're stuck with this situation. It's possible that Sony strongly pushed Hello with a hard deadline for PS4 (ad buys, marketing plans, etc) and they had to go gold with what they had done. Either that, or Sean felt like there would be too much negative press about NMS if they delayed again. Either way, it's hard for me to believe Sean was okay with shipping a pre-release build on their retail disc.
You know what? Those minority can probably find a way to get that patch but it may take them a while (go to a library with Internet). If we wait for the whole game to be on disc then it could be another two months to get the game. Why should the majority have to wait to get the game for the minority when the minority could just find ways around and might have to wait until they can? This is not like where they require a constant internet connection or periodic checks like the comparison to the people getting upset about requiring online to play. It's a one time you need to download this to get these features.
MarineMountie
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I have waited 3 damn years. Why is the last 25 hours hours going to be so hard for me...
I NEED IT!!!!!
I NEED IT!!!!!
No Man's Sky has biomes, but it's one biome per planet.
Impressions are going to be ridiculously hyperbolic for both since this is GAF we're talking about. Might be smarter to just pick the one with the more comfortable gaming setup.
There's also the release date to consider.
At least you are on PS4
On PC and waiting a few more days for it. I'll be watching livestreams on the moon in Virtual Reality while I wait.
MarineMountie
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At least you are on PS4
On PC and waiting a few more days for it. I'll be watching livestreams on the moon in Virtual Reality while I wait.
Ill be getting it for PC as well for sure.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Part of me can respect and agree with the reviewer's patch comment.
But another part of me perfectly understands the necessity of a patch and how it may or may not affect the game and its potential score. Playing a game with or without patches (essentially with or without an internet connection) in this day and age is akin to playing an album with or without decent speakers/headphones. Would you rush to review an album after listening to it during a car ride home with the windows down for the sake of getting the first review out, or wait until you can give it a full listen in the right environment with proper equipment?
So yes, I view patches and updates as another layer to factor in when reviewing this medium, especially when they have the capability to fix issues between print and launch. Not many things are afforded that luxury. You can shout about how they should delay it and not release a broken game. But sometimes, maybe like in this case, it's released a certain way to hide secrets until official launch.
But another part of me perfectly understands the necessity of a patch and how it may or may not affect the game and its potential score. Playing a game with or without patches (essentially with or without an internet connection) in this day and age is akin to playing an album with or without decent speakers/headphones. Would you rush to review an album after listening to it during a car ride home with the windows down for the sake of getting the first review out, or wait until you can give it a full listen in the right environment with proper equipment?
So yes, I view patches and updates as another layer to factor in when reviewing this medium, especially when they have the capability to fix issues between print and launch. Not many things are afforded that luxury. You can shout about how they should delay it and not release a broken game. But sometimes, maybe like in this case, it's released a certain way to hide secrets until official launch.
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