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[everyday math]

It's not the 'norm' to mint an alpha to a disc.

Day 1 patches are usually bugfixes, not a gigs worth of content and system overhauls.

8/10 game is an alpha now...the exaggerations in this thread are getting a bit much.

 

[Kacho]

The longest review thread before reviews even come out.

It's fascinating.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Then lets wait until next year when the game will be fully finished and bugs ironed out. There's a huge difference between on batman AK on PC from launch and nowadays, let's just create an exception so NMS fans wont get salty.

If you needed the day-1 patch to actually make your game enjoyable then you should have delayed your game as in 2016, day-1 patches are for removing last minute bugs or improve performance, not to add the content that you couldnt add in your allowed schedule.

We're allowing for stuff we haven't before just because of the defense force this game has created.



Performance and bugs != content.

Name 5 games this generation that have added a considerable ammount of content on day-1 patches.

The version that the consumer buys on the first day, patches and all, is the version that should be reviewed. Otherwise it's disingenuous. End of discussion.



But we really do need a new thread.

 

[MMaRsu]

Ah lol now people are concerned about day one patches?

How long have yall been playing games on these systems? Even 360 games had day one patches yeah?

 

[mokeyjoe]

Is there a single person, here on GAF, that won't be able to get access to this patch?

 

[Arkeband]

The on-disc version of the game is a finished, playable, and good game on its own.

The day 1 patch is bug fixes and improvements. And if you think day one patches aren't normally very big (and this one is under a gig), then you haven't been paying attention.

Patch size is generally irrelevant, the size often doesn't have anything to do with assets being added, rather the size of the assets being changed.

In this case, it's a gig's worth of new assets, which is fairly large. So in this case it's more relevant.

Instead of falling upon a sword defending unfinished games being burnt to disc, maybe we should be discussing how if this truly is the new norm, there should be some kind of information on the packaging that denotes that the game undergoes heavy patching cycles and the content on disc may not reflect the updated version. Or maybe the industry needs to find a way to allow the data on the disc itself to be modified.

 

[Shari]

The version that the consumer buys on the first day, patches and all, is the version that should be reviewed. Otherwise it's disingenuous. End of discussion.

Nice change of argument. Will change how reviews work so NMS can have it it's way.

The on-disc version of the game is a finished, playable, and good game on its own.

Be careful guys cause the script is falling appart. Your friend up there says that the reviews are not good cause dont represent final quality. Now you're saying disc version is finished and playable.

What is it?

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Then lets wait until next year when the game will be fully finished and bugs ironed out. There's a huge difference between batman AK on PC from launch and nowadays, let's just create an exception so NMS fans wont get salty.

If you needed the day-1 patch to actually make your game enjoyable then you should have delayed your game as, in 2016, day-1 patches are for removing last minute bugs or improve performance, not to add the content that you couldnt add in your allowed schedule.

We're allowing for stuff we haven't before just because of the defense force this game has created.



Performance and bugs != content.

Name 5 games this generation that have added a considerable ammount of content on day-1 patches.

Feel free to explain what the "considerable" amount of content they're adding is, and/or why that's a bad thing.

Personally, the patch list reads to me like a list of improvements and bug fixes, not major content additions.

 

[somecrazymember]

Is there a single person, here on GAF, that won't be able to get access to this patch?

Not me but I have a friend who doesnt have his PS4 connected to internet and he's gonna buy the game. I told him to bring his PS4 at my place when he has the game to download the update.

People need to stop thinking that everyone has their consoles connected

 

[glaringradio]

The version that the consumer buys on the first day, patches and all, is the version that should be reviewed. Otherwise it's disingenuous. End of discussion.

But we really do need a new thread.

The version that is sent out for people to review should be the version that the consumer buys on the first day, patches and all.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Not me but I have a friend who doesnt have his PS4 connected to internet and he's gonna buy the game. I told him to bring his PS4 at my place when he has the game to download the update.

People need to stop thinking that everyone has their consoles connected

It's a given that some percentage of PS4 owners don't connect their console. But that percentage is vanishingly small and isn't going to be catered to, especially since their numbers are shrinking all the time.

 

[Regginator]

Reviews without the significant day 1 patch are worthless tbh.

What does the day 1 patch add?

 

[Shari]

Feel free to explain what the "considerable" amount of content they're adding is, and/or why that's a bad thing.

Personally, the patch list reads to me like a list of improvements and bug fixes, not major content additions.

I just want to understand what is the argument here. Some of you guys says that reviews aren't real because they dont have the day-1 patch and others, like you, are saying that the day-1 patch doesnt add anything significant and that the game is finished and good in-disc.

So, what is it?

 

[stump sock]

What does the day 1 patch add?

hope

 

[ironcreed]

'Day one patches happen all the time' is an utterly worthless argument in this case. Look, I'm in a position where this would not affect me in the slightest. An 800 meg update will take seconds for me to dl. Patches are the new reality.

But this is no 'patch' clearly half of the games features will not even be available if you don't get it. This isn't a patch, it's the rest of the game. Bare minimum there needs to be a sticker on the case with a disclaimer here. Or the game shouldn't have had a retail release at all if they couldn't have waited. Or they could have made digital available day one and waited a month until the game was ready for disc.

This is no mere case of 'polishing up while waiting for cert' either. Nor is it a case of preventing spoilers. Massive improvements to core mechanics, graphical effects, procedural generation etc. This isn't a day one patch, it's literally the rest of the game.

I think it is obvious why we are in this situation with the patch. The game was pretty much finished at the core, yet there were still some things that needed some finishing touches. So instead of delaying the game again for some features that were nearly complete, they decided to patch it in on release. It could not be more clear.

 

[breakfuss]

What game doesn't have a day 1 patch these days?! What are people really arguing here? Reviews that go up tonight are fair game.

 

[Heckler456]

It's really misguided at best, disingenuous at worst to review a game "out of the box" in the name of the "consumer, because that is what they'll be getting", when you can be certain that the vast majority of people buying this game will have the means to download that day one patch. In reality though, they're probably reviewing the game now under the guise of that reason so that they'll get more eyes on them.

 

[mokeyjoe]

Patch size is irrelevant, the size often doesn't have anything to do with assets being added, rather the size of the assets being changed.

In this case, it's a gig's worth of new assets, which is fairly large.

Whenever they release it, it's not going to be on the disk. So what? They never release it? The 99.99% of PS4 owners with internet access get screwed out of post-release support because it 'isn't fair'?

"It should be on the disk" - what should, the Day 1 patch? What about the next patch that adds base building and freighters? That won't ever be on the disk. Is that more fair?

What's fair is releasing an awesome game on disk and then continuing to add new features and content for free.

 

[antitrop]

24 pages for some random blog named Pure PlayStation. Nice.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I just want to understand what is the argument here. Some of you guys says that reviews aren't real because they dont have the day-1 patch and others, like you, are saying that the day-1 patch doesnt add anything significant and that the game is finished and good in-disc.

So, what is it?

It's not my job to answer for someone else's argument.

Mine is simple: there is nothing at all "wrong" about this situation. NMS has a day one patch that improves various features, addresses some QOL issues, and fixes bugs. Like many games before it.

I don't care if someone reviews the pre-Day 1 version of the game for hits or because they feel it's important or whatever. That's on them.

 

[truly101]

So its bad to release a day one patch to improve game performance because...reasons...but if Hello Games had released the game in a state where shit didn't work correctly, and knew about it, and could have improved with said patch but didnt for different....reasons....wouldn't that also be bad?

Isn't that also a double standard?

 

[Cleve]

I hope they keep releasing patches every week so every review looks dumb.

Spoiler

i don't

Haha, that was my thought reading that post. Reviews shouldn't be nullified because they weren't patched up to the "right" version. I do think day 1 patches are a little bit of a different story but folks are going overboard in this thread. I feel like some of them are just preparing themselves to discredit any score they don't agree with.

 

[stump sock]

24 pages for some random blog named Pure PlayStation. Nice.

for people thinking an 8/10 review isn't high enough

or low enough? having a hard time following really. It's definitely wrong though, somehow.

 

[breakfuss]

24 pages for some random blog named Pure PlayStation. Nice.

Most of the discussion centers around day one patching and it's impact on reviews. Actually fairly interesting stuff. What I find peculiar however is how this hasn't been as big an issue for people before. What's so...different now lol.

If people want to stick up for Hello Games because it's a small team, then fine. But i hope that's what the fuss is really about!

 

[jmaine_ph]

It's really misguided at best, disingenuous at worst to review a game "out of the box" in the name of the "consumer, because that is what they'll be getting", when you can be certain that the vast majority of people buying this game will have the means to download that day one patch. In reality though, they're probably reviewing the game now under the guise of that reason so that they'll get more eyes on them.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Shari]

It's not my job to answer for someone else's argument.

Mine is simple: there is nothing at all "wrong" about this situation. NMS has a day one patch that improves various features, addresses some QOL issues, and fixes bugs. Like many games before it.

I don't care if someone reviews the pre-Day 1 version of the game for hits or because they feel it's important or whatever. That's on them.

Good, I agree with you and I'm alright with everything you say. I was just finding really ridiculous that people call "non-real" to reviews without day-1 patch.

for people thinking an 8/10 review isn't high enough

or low enough? having a hard time following really. It's definitely wrong though, somehow.

I'm really enjoying your style, please continue.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

for people thinking an 8/10 review isn't high enough

or low enough? having a hard time following really. It's definitely wrong though, somehow.

Neither.

This isn't a review thread. This is a "let's complain about day one patches in NMS" thread disguised as a review thread.

 

[Tomeru]

I honestky think this day1 patch is just them turning on switches and valves and the likes.

Also, the majority arent going to play the pre patched game, so what is the point in this review? From a journalist point of view, they review a game before the street date, and then users will get the game ON street date, proceed to download a patch and play a different (?) version.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

The version that is sent out for people to review should be the version that the consumer buys on the first day, patches and all.

Which is why review copies were sent out today, with the patch.

 

[ironcreed]

24 pages for some random blog named Pure PlayStation. Nice.

 

[mokeyjoe]

In 2 days no one will give a flying fuck about the patch.

 

[CecilRousso]

24 pages for some random blog named Pure PlayStation. Nice.

It's 24 pages regarding the issue of day 1 patches and when a game should be reviewed. No matter who wrote the review, it's topics that seem to interest people.

for people thinking an 8/10 review isn't high enough

or low enough? having a hard time following really. It's definitely wrong though, somehow.

The issue is not about the actual score at all.

 

[ironcreed]

In 2 days no one will give a flying fuck about the patch.

I already don't. I am just happy that they have been busting their collective asses to polish up more of the game for us for day one and are finally getting it out. More amazing features are on the way FOR FREE as well.

 

[Recall]

for people thinking an 8/10 review isn't high enough

or low enough? having a hard time following really. It's definitely wrong though, somehow.

Everyone is different. At no point in ANY review thread ever has everyone agreed with the reviews.

Best review there will be is 3 months time after the fact and honest well thought out opinions have had a chance to be formed by the people liked it and those who did not, and those in the middle.

A game gets a 9/10 and someone is upset. A game gets a 5/10 and someone is upset. Everyone is different.

 

[flkraven]

The most polarizing game that has ever not come out yet.

 

[AmaterasuOkami076]

My girlfriend's family have been anticipating this game but they don't have an internet connection. It's shit that this is becoming the norm.

 

[dmr87]

What does the day 1 patch add?

One point to the reviews.

 

[glaringradio]

Which is why review copies were sent out today, with the patch.

So how did a publication get a review copy without the patch? Mistake?

 

[Bubble Walrus]

My girlfriend's family have been anticipating this game but they don't have an internet connection. It's shit that this is becoming the norm.

I've been playing the out of the box version all weekend. And it's still A LOT of fun.

Some footage - https://youtu.be/UdUqNJ8DWdc

 

[MikeyB]

Nice change of argument. Will change how reviews work so NMS can have it it's way.



Be careful guys cause the script is falling appart. Your friend up there says that the reviews are not good cause dont represent final quality. Now you're saying disc version is finished and playable.

What is it?

That's a false dichotomy.

A review of a game can be disingenuous if the game purchased by consumers is different than that reviewed, independent of the quality of the game initially reviewed.

 

[Hazanko]

This is the first time i've been this hyped for a game in like 10 years or more, can't wait. I don't get the frame rate talk either, it's obvious if a game is 30 or 60fps. I suppose i'll just have to wait to find out, 60fps would be awesome though. Actually ignore whst I said about fps, posted this in wrong NMS thread.

 

[CecilRousso]

My girlfriend's family have been anticipating this game but they don't have an internet connection. It's shit that this is becoming the norm.

This game would have been a bad choice for them even without the day 1 patch, since it's a game that's planned to be updated with content and changes regularly.

 

[kami_sama]

My girlfriend's family have been anticipating this game but they don't have an internet connection. It's shit that this is becoming the norm.

But having an internet connection is the norm. While there are some cases, most people using a ps4 or xbone will have an internet connection.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

So how did a publication get a review copy without the patch? Mistake?

Any outlet that had a copy before today got a leaked prerelease copy.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

This is silly in all honesty, practically almost every game since last gen is receiving day one patches.. And somehow what NMS is doing is suddenly outrageous? Lol

 

[xrnzaaas]

Guys, what if someone buys the game and doesn't update it? ;p It's not an online-only game where you can't play without having the latest version.

 

[IvanJ]

My girlfriend's family have been anticipating this game but they don't have an internet connection. It's shit that this is becoming the norm.

There is absolutely no reason to not have internet in 2016, unless they are Amish or in a cult. I mean, intenet is a basic human right, and is available to all. If a person is too damn cheap or poor to have it, then they are probably too damn cheap or poor to be buying PS4 games on day one.

All these concerns about those eight people without internet are really becoming tiresome.

 

[Thabass]

What does the day 1 patch add?

It's been posted in the thread earlier, but here you are.

Any outlet that had a copy before today got a leaked prerelease copy.

Some stores broke the street date and began selling early. This review must come from someone who got the game from a store.

 

[Acquiescence]

The longest review thread before reviews even come out.

18 quintillion review threads, each with one review.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

There is absolutely no reason to not have internet in 2016, unless they are Amish or in a cult. I mean, intenet is a basic human right, and is available to all. If a person is too damn cheap or poor to have it, then they are probably too damn cheap or poor to be buying PS4 games on day one.

All these concerns about those eight people without internet are really becoming tiresome.

I hate to be that guy but gaming is a luxury nowadays. Before someone jumps on my throat saying " are you saying that's okay?" Ultimately, It doesn't matter where my moral compass is aiming towards but that's the reality of the world we live in.