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[orthodoxy1095]

CONFIRMATION: It is NOT possible

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM?t=158

The way in which he answers this question is extremely frustrating, but it is clear, you will never be able to 'see' another player in game. Only traces or hints that other players are there. Maybe put that clip in the OP?

It seems obvious to me that they had some PR rep telling them constantly to never come out and just say "No, you will never see a player model in the game."

That's not what he says at all.

He says the primary "multiplayer" aspect will be the traces.

"But actually going to a planet and a player being in the same space at the same time is incredibly rare. And it's something that depending on how many people play the game might not even happen basically."

It's the same "incredibly rare and unlikely" and "not the focus" stuff he's said in every other interview.

 

[Mutagenic]

You are basing your hate on something that was never meant to be the focus of the game anyway, so yeah.

This is so good.

 

[Gator86]

With so little and vague info about meeting other person, do people really expected this to even have multiplayer in the first place?

For me this was always a single player experience, where you could see what other are saying and doing but never meet them, like social media.

At the end of the day, people are just looking to hate on something that was never fully fleshed and/or promised and that doesn't affect whatsoever the core experience.

Well, at least we don't have to revise the rule stating that there's a defense force for everything.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I dont see how it matters as its clearly not part of the game design.

Would it be neat? Sure. If the possibility of it happening is incredibly small though, then yeah, why spend time making something work that is almost impossible to reproduce.

It matters because of statements specifically made by the dev.

 

[xRaizen]

Does anyone know if I can get a refund from Sony? Should I call and tell them I've been mislead?

 

[CyberPunked]

You can be sure they would have shown two players bumping into each other in a video if it was possible, even if extremely rare. Is there even human AI walking on those planets? Is a human walking animation even in the game in any way?

Exactly. If it was possible they would have shown it off.

 

[wiibomb]

CONFIRMATION: It is NOT possible

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM?t=158

The way in which he answers this question is extremely frustrating, but it is clear, you will never be able to 'see' another player in game. Only traces or hints that other players are there. Maybe put that clip in the OP?

It seems obvious to me that they had some PR/Marketing rep telling them constantly to never come out and just say "No, you will never see a player model in the game."

it wasn't any pr person, Sean Murray himself had always been extremely secretive about what you can and you can't do in the game, they want us to find that out in the game.

I can't blame him for that, it is nice I don't know many many things of this game and will probably know them until I play it, however he should have been more clear about "playing alongside someone else" since he confirmed we could in the stephen colbert interview.

 

[Liamc723]

11 pages of people falling over themselves to scream cheat, liar, grab the pitchforks when the most logical answer is that their server connectivity has been completely FUCKED for everyone because it's god damn launch day.

Calm the fuck down.

That is not the most logical answer.

 

[EatinOlives]

Does anyone know if I can get a refund from Sony? Should I call and tell them I've been mislead?

Calm down. We don't even know for certain if it's not possible to see other players.

 

[old]

If they did, we all know players would intentionally congregate in the thousands at one place on one planet. Perhaps this is for the best.

Ultimately, I hope for a future update that allows for enjoying "cities" both organically created by players and those discovered randomly on planets. I don't just want to find rocks and animals. I want to find civilizations both dead and alive. But I guess we must start somewhere.

 

[Quonny]

wew its almost like we should wait until we get some more information or confirmation before calling someone a liar

 

[Sodding_Gamer]

Does anyone know if I can get a refund from Sony? Should I call and tell them I've been mislead?

Lmao are you serious. The game doesn't even say it's multiplayer on the box.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Does anyone know if I can get a refund from Sony? Should I call and tell them I've been mislead?

If you change your mind about a purchase made from the PlayStation®Store, you can request a refund to your PSN wallet within 14 days from the date of transaction, provided that you have not started downloading or streaming your purchase.

You can read more here

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/g...efunds/playstation-store-cancellation-policy/

 

[test_account]

Yes, but why lie? A guy asked if it was possible to see how you look like. Shean responded, "no, but other players are able to see you".

Maybe there could be some ghost image like the Souls game has? So that another player might a NPC or something. Or this was the idea at the time, but then it got scrapped for whatever reason. But i have no idea to be honest, i havnt really followed the game that much. I'm sure we'll learn more about this in the upcoming time, what exactly that the traces of other people will be.

 

[Chubzdoomer]

CONFIRMATION: It is NOT possible

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM?t=158

The way in which he answers this question is extremely frustrating, but it is clear, you will never be able to 'see' another player in game. Only traces or hints that other players are there. Maybe put that clip in the OP?

Did you watch the full response? Because that isn't what he says at all. Skip to 3:18, where he states that coming across other players is incredibly rare (which directly implies that it can, indeed, occur).

 

[depths20XX]

I think it's funny that 2 players, exploring one out of 18 quintillion planets managed to be in the same exact spot on the game's launch day despite dev claims.

Not only that, but they were able to connect on Twitter or whatever and then stream it live. Crazy.

 

[TimmiT]

Crowbcat video - Sean Murray lying about multiplayer for No Man's Sky

Saying that he's lying seems like jumping to conclusions here. Could very well be that they planned/were working on being able to see other players but that the feature didn't make it into the final game.

 

[Doomshine]

In Journey some people made sure that they were in the exact same place, having the world in the exact same state and connecting the game at the exact same time. Even then it still wasn't guaranteed that you would get connected.

 

[Carl]

No shit. The tech required for this would basically make it an MMO, so of course some indie studio can't do that.

Maybe they shouldn't have pretended that they could then

 

[CyberPunked]

Can't you pause the game? How would multiplayer (other than naming planets etc.) work if you're able to pause the game?

 

[Najaf]

Huh? That video isn't confirmation in any way.

He specifically says if you are at the exact place, at the same time as another player "We want people to have a little sense of that...we want people to have the sense that there are other people playing the game at the same time". Without coming out and saying "You will never see another player" I'm not sure what kind of confirmation you are looking for. It is blatantly obvious he is communicating this without using those words.

 

[Saint of Killers]

I dont see how it matters as its clearly not part of the game design.

Would it be neat? Sure. If the possibility of it happening is incredibly small though, then yeah, why spend time making something work that is almost impossible to reproduce.

I agree, but it matters because when previously asked he did allude there would be MP of sorts. If plans changed then they should have informed people, if the MP is totally different to how he worded it (so we may still be able to see other players, somehow, but we'll never exist in the world at the same time) that too should have been better explained.

I do agree that MP was never even the core of this game, though with some of the posts in here you'd think otherwise, but they had a responsibility to make changes known, or to better explain their MP feature.

 

[KingSnake]

Saying that he's lying seems like jumping to conclusions here. Could very well be that they planned/were working on being able to see other players but that the feature didn't make it into the final game.

Lying by omission is still lying.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Sure, the servers are to blame.

I mean, if everything he's said indicates you can meet other players, and in this instance these players couldn't, maybe we could wait for word from the dev about what happened in this situation rather than jumping to the conclusion that he lied on several occasions.

It's launch day. And for only one of two platforms as well. They're working on getting the PC version to be released. We've known of bigger games that have had network connectivity issues at launch.

I understand the existence of this thread. It's potentially alarming that a big feature like this might not actually be in the game, but it doesn't make sense to immediately assume the dev is a liar.

 

[Gamezone]

CONFIRMATION: It is NOT possible

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM?t=158

The way in which he answers this question is extremely frustrating, but it is clear, you will never be able to 'see' another player in game. Only traces or hints that other players are there. Maybe put that clip in the OP?

It seems obvious to me that they had some PR/Marketing rep telling them constantly to never come out and just say "No, you will never see a player model in the game."

That interview was fun. Seeing how good he is to actually confirm that this feature won't be in the game, but the same time doesn't want to admit it. Quite fascinating.

 

[Caayn]

No shit. The tech required for this would basically make it an MMO, so of course some indie studio can't do that.

If they couldn't make it. They shouldn't have acted like you could, even if the odds of coming across another player are immensely small.

 

[shintoki]

Saying that he's lying seems like jumping to conclusions here. Could very well be that they planned/were working on being able to see other players but that the feature didn't make it into the final game.

The boat is not sinking people. Just give it time.

 

[Last Hearth]

So far the defenses I've seen in this thread:

1) They never said it was a multiplayer game. So they didn't lie.

(This has been debunked by video clips of developer saying there is multiplayer)

2) It should have been obvious that multiplayer would never make be into the game, the complexity involved cannot be accomplished by such a small team, anyone who thought there would be multiplayer is a moron.

3) It has not been conclusively proven that there is no multiplayer, maybe it's just a server issue.

(Notice how 2 and 3 directly contradict each other)

4) It's not a feature that I want/care about in the game. So it's not *really* a lie.

 

[mike6467]

Lying by omission is still lying.

A thousand times this.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Not only that, but they were able to connect on Twitter or whatever and then stream it live. Crazy.

Honestly they should've expected this considering, the internet is unstoppable when it comes to solving vague things in a shockingly small amount of time. In about a week people will most likely already be reaching the center.

 

[kvn]

DRAMA

 

[orthodoxy1095]

He specifically says if you are at the exact place, at the same time as another player "We want people to have a little sense of that...we want people to have the sense that there are other people playing the game at the same time". Without coming out and saying "You will never see another player" I'm not sure what kind of confirmation you are looking for. It is blatantly obvious he is communicating this without using those words.

Watch your own video.

"But actually going to a planet and a player being in the same space at the same time is incredibly rare. And it's something that depending on how many people play the game might not even happen basically."

Saying it's rare like that implies that it can occur. He never states anything definitively, so that video is hardly confirmation of anything.

 

[shawnoftheshred]

Yes, but why lie? A guy asked if it was possible to see how you look like. Shean responded, "no, but other players are able to see you".

A huge draw for this game for me is...the game is built on that foundation of exploring and encountering things that no one else will see/experience. That little hook of "you **could** end up encountering another player plays on that feel. It's a piece that keeps you LOOKING. Which seems to be a huge part of this game. The idea that it might not be even possible to run into another player means you stop looking. And that's sort of like the minute planets become nothing but a means of collecting resources and animals become nothing but a progressions. The sense of wonder and possibilities seem to be the main driving force of the game, not the moment to moment gameplay. Removing this is a small but not insignificant thing, if you ask me. (If it's indeed not there/this isn't just a day 1 hitch).

Also, pretty hilarious that this happened on day 1.

 

[7DollarHagane]

There really is no excuse for it. They misled people into thinking it was possible to interact with and see other players. Thats not true whatsoever.

 

[jellies_two]

Poor Sean he is like a presidential candidate whose every word is going to be analyzed and thrown back at him later.
Still. He should have known on the issue of multiplayer to make things crystal clear or actually under-sell it because people are always going to err on the side of optimism.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

There was never said you could play with friends,

 

[Gator86]

So far the defenses I've seen in this thread:

1) They never said it was a multiplayer game. So they didn't lie.

(This has been debunked by video clips of developer saying there is multiplayer)

2) It should have been obvious that multiplayer would never make be into the game, the complexity involved cannot be accomplished by such a small team, anyone who thought there would be multiplayer is a moron.

3) It has not been conclusively proven that there is no multiplayer, maybe it's just a server issue.

(Notice how 2 and 3 directly contradict each other)

4) It's not a feature that I want/care about in the game. So it's not *really* a lie.

I can't think of a reason people shouldn't give a commercial entity the benefit of the doubt about a product being marketed on vague hype, so all of these seem totally legit.

 

[AAMARMO]

AND

 

[Bytes]

Lying by omission is still lying.

This. They should have just been truthful about whether this was a feature they wanted to implement but couldn't complete in time for release. Instead, they are being bizarrely obtuse about it.

 

[test_account]

Lying by omission is still lying.

I wouldnt say that. If i told i was going to be home at 5pm, but then my car broke down and i wasnt home before 6pm, i wasnt lying. Not saying that this necessarily is the case with No Man's Sky, but if something is first planned, then changed for various reasons, its not necessarily lying. Of course, if things changes, its important to notify regarding this.

 

[Saint of Killers]

So far the defenses I've seen in this thread:

1) They never said it was a multiplayer game. So they didn't lie.

(This has been debunked by video clips of developer saying there is multiplayer)

2) It should have been obvious that multiplayer would never make be into the game, the complexity involved cannot be accomplished by such a small team, anyone who thought there would be multiplayer is a moron.

3) It has not been conclusively proven that there is no multiplayer, maybe it's just a server issue.

(Notice how 2 and 3 directly contradict each other)

4) It's not a feature that I want/care about in the game. So it's not *really* a lie.

5) Their servers are taking a hammering and so it may be a temp issue.

*cough* ignore that.

I've posted No 3 a few times now.

 

[Quonny]

(Notice how 2 and 3 directly contradict each other)

So what you're saying is that different uninformed people have different uninformed opinions?

 

[Kinyou]

Hello games should just come out and tell us how the mp system works (assuming they weren't lying), and how two players can end up at the same position without seeing each other.

 

[EatinOlives]

He specifically says if you are at the exact place, at the same time as another player "We want people to have a little sense of that...we want people to have the sense that there are other people playing the game at the same time". Without coming out and saying "You will never see another player" I'm not sure what kind of confirmation you are looking for. It is blatantly obvious he is communicating this without using those words.

You're conveniently ignoring the entire context of everything else he said in the same answer. He was asking people to not expect "deathmatching" or any other explicit multiplayer mode in the game because "focus" was not on player-to-player interaction. Keyword on "focus". If you know multiplayer is not in the game you don't say words like "focus". Unless you're trying to accuse him of outright lying in that response.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Regardless of whether or not the video in the OP is correct, Sean said people can meet in so many coy ways, and it would be best if he just came out and confirmed either way. Instead, it's a lotta back and forth between the fanbase.

The onus is on him to fully confirm if people can meet or not. No excuses.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

5) Their servers are taking a hammering and so it may be a temp issue.

I've posted No 5 a few times now.

...that's literally 3

 

[User Name Here]

Both players had the same version of the game too?

 

[Lucario]

holy shit

this defense force is gold

 

[Phrozenflame500]

So is this going to be the next Evolve but with more e-drama around it?

 

[Liamc723]

I wouldnt say that. If i told i was going to be home at 5pm, but then my car broke down and i wasnt home before 6pm, i wasnt lying. Not saying that this necessarily is the case with No Man's Sky, but if something is first planned, then changed for various reasons, its not necessarily lying. Of course, if things changes, its important to notify regarding this.

Then that's something you communicate to your customers paying $60 before the game releases.