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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Zomba13
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If you listen he says it is possible. He says the game isn't some FPS or MMO as in you aren't matching up with other players or arranging to meet at the city to go take on a raid. He's saying most of the "multiplayer" stuff is passive, seeing other peoples named planets and animals and plants etc. He then goes on to say that two people being on th esame planet is super rare but said it would be possible, he even cites Journey and Dark Souls (which is what most people expected). People didn't expect some sort of Summoning or deathmatch, but being able to see other players on the same planet/station/sector and seeing them go about their business and even just follow them around.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I think we're past the point of stating that it was merely "implications" at this point don't you think?
Indie-hating Gaf just offscreen with a gun forcing him to unambiguously state there would be multiplayer. Truly shameful.
A second example of lying by omission, is it lying? You're involved with someone, you both want children. Maybe that changes for you at some point and you decide you don't, should you tell them before marriage? If you don't tell them, are you doing harm? I mean, how much would kids have really mattered in the relationship anyways, a bunch of people out there don't want them, so it's not a big deal, right?
Sodding_Gamer
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LOL. Yeah a 300+ team.
I could care less about the game, but people have a right to be concerned/upset. Even from my limited following of the game through hearing about it on podcasts and seeing bits here and there, even I was under the impression that you could run into other people even if the odds are ultra thin. How they didn't seem to account for people wanting to explore with a friend and plan to link up is beyond me. They clearly went out of their way to let people believe contact with others is possible.
If this proves to be not possible, people have every right to be upset as they were lied to repeatedly.
Hentailover
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Even when being shown literal examples of developers claiming otherwise, defence force still just closes their eyes and ears and goes "lalalala, can't hear you".
Typical -_-
Typical -_-
I'm certain I can find a quote saying you can find other players but it's extremely rare
Tell me you have a proof that the two players didn't see each other because of a server issue. Otherwise, the appeals to calm are as baseless as any other theories.
heliosRAzi
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Then online checkers
Even though there is a quote feature on this forum, people enjoy vagueposting because they don't have to engage in actual discussion and instead make hit-and-run posts.
Typical -_-
I don't. Which is why I'm saying we should wait and not call the developers liars. There are completely reasonable explanations that a player wouldn't see another player on launch day.
Hey, if they're silent tomorrow and we get more evidence, I'm right there with you.
Stairouais
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Based on the drama surrounding the game for the past week,, I really don't want to know how his twitter looks like right now.
Has there ever been a fanbase that insane for a new ip?
GankzyMcfly
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Why would the devs ever address it if nobody was calling them out on it and threads like this didnt exist. The chances are so slim to run into somebody they could have been hoping this issue never presented itself...The devs have been vague and misleading imo....additionally to all those claiming the universe is "soo big it would never happen"....isnt every player heading to the same center of the universe? If there is only one center isnt it inevitable that they all end up in what is essentiallythe same spot? As somebody whos still looking forward to experiencing the single player aspects of this game eventually, im still extremely dissapointed the devs have been so unclear.
Chill Penguin
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I have a feeling they never outright clarified that you can't meet other players because it's something they wanted to implement. However due to already being delayed they had to meet this deadline and never got around to getting it into the game. Or the technical hurdles were just too imposing.
But you're right, we should wait until Sean gives a statement before the witch hunt starts. I think people have just been hyped up for so long and are passionate about this game.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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this is good bait, silver star
John Dunbar
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you can share a controller if your friends are sitting on the couch with you, so technically not a lie.
TheSpoiler
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How would a huge bug stop them from saying if the game has it or not? I mean, if the huge bug disables multiplayer, they can simply come out and state so.
It's fine to ask people to wait, normally, but Sean hasn't been exactly upfront about this issue. I think he's had quite a bit of time to clarify pre-launch.
And while you might think it's minor, other people love the idea. No need to downplay this for others.
EatinOlives
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One of the two players was having trouble staying connected to the servers.
SlickShoes
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This thread is amazing, it's disappointing if I can never see anyone but you people need to give them time to respond this literally broke within the last couple of hours, it's not going to be resolved or commented on instantly, at least give it time before you hang everyone involved in making the game.
You'd think this was some sort of life and death scenario the way people are reacting.
You'd think this was some sort of life and death scenario the way people are reacting.
But the odds of it happening are basically zero
UncleSporky
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Ohhhh but the mystery though. They don't give us all the information so that we're not spoiled.
Isn't it great that the game is so mysterious? You might be able to meet other players, you might not! Play it and find out!
Saint of Killers
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When they're thinking when staring at their social media feeds: Bloody hell, should have just stuck to Joe Danger 3.
Zombie James
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HE LIIIEEEEEDDDDDD!!!11
Hentailover
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The gif with the example of them explicitly stating that it you "can play with your friends" has been posted at least 3 times just on THIS PAGE. But here you, go, since you are obviously special and everybody needs to repeat everything for you personally:
On my general position, I am not particularly angry as I am not getting NMS anytime soon, so it's not like I'm being lied to now that I already parted with my money. But i have very short patience for any kind of misleading advertisement and stuff like this, and being everybody's indie darling should not excuse HG. Everybody should fall under the same scrutiny.
And yeah, sure,MAYBE, it's a server issue, guess what, you can tweet that in like 3 minutes, if it's the case, you don't need to put togethere an official statement.
I don't understand why they dont just say yes you can see other fucking players or no you cannot this shady shit really bothers me. After this I'm gonna go ahead and say it was a saying just to generate more hype about how "big" the game is and now the truth came out that you really can't see others at all.
Zomba13
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The way I see it he either lied and there really isn't any kiond of player to player interactions and all the "multiplayer" is just naming stuff, seeing other peoples names, maybe even influencing the galactic stock market for certain sectors?
OR
It's there and just because of server load or network issues (local or server based) the two players could never connect because there were connection issues. It definitely could be this with the tweets from Sean regarding servers and player amounts and so on and the fact that one of the two guys connection to the NMS servers seemed to be constantly up and down.
We won't know until either someone connects with someone else in the future or Sean actually says some confirmation one way or the other on how the multiplayer works and why it didn't work for those two.
Yeah, but one guy kept dropping connection to the NMS servers (not PSN, not Twitch, not the chat call to the other guy).
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It's there and just because of server load or network issues (local or server based) the two players could never connect because there were connection issues. It definitely could be this with the tweets from Sean regarding servers and player amounts and so on and the fact that one of the two guys connection to the NMS servers seemed to be constantly up and down.
We won't know until either someone connects with someone else in the future or Sean actually says some confirmation one way or the other on how the multiplayer works and why it didn't work for those two.
Yeah, but one guy kept dropping connection to the NMS servers (not PSN, not Twitch, not the chat call to the other guy).
GankzyMcfly
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Werent they twitch streaming? In chat together....and visited multiple locations at the same time trying to find eachother?
test_account
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Well, i said two times that if things doesnt go as planned, its of course important to notify people about this. Is there anything not clear about that? Hope i'm not sounding rude because thats not my intention, just curious if there was anything unclear about what i said. But yes, if a relationship is built on the premise of having children, and one of the parties change their opinion on this, i think it should be told. Doesnt mean that the party was lying e.g a few years ago when it was first said.
Doesn't prove anything. He was also connected and in the same spot with the other player for some time. Maybe you need to spend a real day and night there to leave a mark.
but how do you really feel about this game?
I don't care if it's resolved. I just want them to clarify what they should have clarified months ago. Say exactly how multiplayer works in No uncertain terms. None of the vague mystery bs.
Is this serious
RichiRamjag
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Was always under the impression that it was a journey-like system.
Yet it fell right into the .01% ratio.
Thank you.
Why can't people get this? It is completely random for the off chance it ever happens, lol. You can't coordinate with specific people, you just may randomly stumble on it, when the instance allows it to happen.
I cant remember the last time a game make this kind of buzz. People are trying to bring this game down, jumping to their own conclusions about how the game works. People still don't get it, that the game have some mystery and unknown mechanics.
And the creator said that is like a 1% change of meeting another player RANDOMLY in a vast universe and in less of 24 hours you people already beat chances?
Yeah, no.
People must just chill and play the game.
heliosRAzi
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AOL multiplayer games were able to get online right.
LostDonkey
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Save us Modders, you're our only hope.
Seriously disappointed if this is true. Was looking forward to maybe, possibly, not very likely finding someone and having a date in space.
Seriously disappointed if this is true. Was looking forward to maybe, possibly, not very likely finding someone and having a date in space.
They are there. They are just in a different instance so you can't see them.
I wish more games didn't allow you to see other players.
But seriously though, I couldn't care less, although it might have been cool to see someone else on the same planet and you could decide whether to kill them and grab their resources or follow each other and take on hostile creatures.
But seriously though, I couldn't care less, although it might have been cool to see someone else on the same planet and you could decide whether to kill them and grab their resources or follow each other and take on hostile creatures.
OMG you're such a defense force. Just admit that you're wrong and I'm right even though I have no proof.
That's because Sean compared NMS' mp to journey's.
I don't see why it's so hard for the Devs to just come up and clarify.
We need a'body language expert asap. You see when he looked down after saying yes. That implies he is lying and he just had a Coke and hotdog for lunch. Hes Guilty.The gif with the example of them explicitly stating that it you "can play with your friends" has been posted at least 3 times just on THIS PAGE. But here you, go, since you are obviously special and everybody needs to repeat everything for you personally:
EatinOlives
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You're right. The point is, there's still a ton we don't know and the sole test case we have for this is not exactly in 100% "lab" conditions where everything is optimal. It's way too early to start making definitive statements as to whether this is possible or not.
I think Murray secretly developed LA Noire 2 under our noses this whole time.
That crafty bastard
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UncleSporky
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Well I mean,
Game 1: online multiplayer game that they said would be online and showed footage of it being online and had a beta with people playing online and such. Day one, nobody can play online because the servers are hammered.
Is there any question whether the game was planned to have online multiplayer at all?
Game 2: devs say it's online multiplayer. Kinda. Well maybe not really, maybe there's very little chance of meeting people. And they're a small studio and might not have the funds and manpower to build something like that, but nonetheless they keep hinting that it's online. But there's never any footage of it or clear discussion of how it really might work, and nobody gets to see what online might look like prior to launch. Game is listed as a single player game on Steam and back of the box. Does not require PS+ to play. Day one, players meet up and can't see each other.
Is there any question whether the game was planned to have online multiplayer at all?
TheSpoiler
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At some level, you gotta stop the mysterious stuff and tell the consumer what the product has in store. Even a small confirmation would work.
shawnoftheshred
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Here's one - on a really big platform, heh.
https://youtu.be/ZqeN6hj4dZU?t=5m45s
I'm still holding out hope it's day 1 problems, since I'd love to see the inevitable stream of two folks meeting up for real, but still...
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