Kacho
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Jim's review read like it's an awful game.
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Jim's review read like it's an awful game.
I'm kind of on the same page. Does anyone know if this game has Steam Workshop support? Seems like a lot of these issues could be easily fixed with mods & patches.
I'm in no hurry though. Still knee-deep in RimWorld. Just purchased Bus Simulator 16 on sale. Nabbed Sept. Humble Monthly with SOMA, which I haven't even fired up. Aaaand dipped into Humble Survival Bundle yesterday.
I'm set for a while. LOL.
Goddamn
ldcommando
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Everybody trying to reach the center before giving the scores or something?
No. NMS has enough content to rival many AAA games. whether that content appeals to you is another story. Just wait for a price drop if you are not that interested. It's notthat hard. Hello games put a shit tone of work and treasure into this they can charge 60 bucks for it.
Exactly.
Average doesnt mean 'right there in the middle' though, that's the median.
Mean is the average, Median is the Middle, and Mode is the most recurring value.
If you have scores of 4 5 5 6 7 8 9 the average is 6.3 and the Median is literally a 6. That is a basic explanation. A lot of time is can vary more widely.
Mediocre can most definitely mean average. Average doesnt mean good or bad, and so can Mediocre. People do use Mediocre in a more negative connotation but it comes from the latin of Medius and Ocris or literally Middle Mountain. Or Middle Height. However like I said Average doesnt always mean Middle so I can see where this is confusing.
The problem is when you apply Average to a scale. Which is to say, its a good idea to ignore averages of scales or aggregated scores. They get skewed to easily.
How do you figure? Quantifying near-infinite procedural content is kind of hard. I mean Binding of Isaac can easily rival any AAA game for content.
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Steve Youngblood
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OK, firstly, I want to note that I hate debates mired in semantics. With that said, I can kind of see where you're coming from, but I really don't think this is something worth harping on. By dictionary standards, they're essentially synonymous. In terms of the common vernacular, I do sort of agree that there are more negative connotations associated with "mediocre." However, I also feel like it's near impossible to articulate clearly what the difference is as it's completely nebulous. Like if I had to try and explain where "mediocre" resides on my scale, it would be in this completely vague territory right below "average" but above "bad."
But regardless of how I use the word, I think it's clear that the words are close enough in meaning that there's no need to nitpick the usage of one over the other.
I dunno man, so far I'm reading "one trick pony", "pretty shallow", ...etc. Just three impressions/reviews only, though.
Opus Angelorum
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Whether that content is quality though, is the separation.
That's ignoring elements that keep a game fresh, such as difficulty curve, forced variety, environmental variety, and introduction of new mechanics, etc. Calling a game repetitive generally means it lacks some of those elements.
texhnolyze
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It's amazing that the average/mediocre discussion is still going on. It's a 5/10, let's move on.
So where are the next batch of reviews now?
So where are the next batch of reviews now?
Many AAA games are like this too many people though. You don't see many people complaining they are 60 bucks now do you (compared to NMS)
You've kinda shown what I was trying to say. I'd imagine the majority of people would use medicore the way you've said you'd use it. As opposed to using it to describe something that slap bang in the middle (despite it's actual meaning)
That was the reason I initially made my comment (which was then picked apart)
I understand and won't discuss it further. Apologies for taking the thread off-topic.
Which ones are you referring to?
Not being obtuse, I just can't recall the last "one trick pony" I paid $60 for.
Primethius
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Right. But reread what I was quoting.
His was an empty criticism. What you are doing is not.
I can, MGSV
Near infinite procedural content != good or interesting content.
As far as No Man's Sky is concerned, when you've seen one planet you've pretty much seen them all and, at the moment at least, the "game" part isn't comprehensive or robust enough to hold interest very long.
Binding of Isaac and Spelunky get away with procedurally generated levels because the "game" part is very well done.
And I was one of those getting frustrated. And you know what? The game is everything I expected that I got out of what the guy said (and it is what I wanted and was hyped for). And I think I'm still right, if you are asking, "What do you do?" It's not the kind of game for you. It was frustrating cause there was enough info out there to get an idea of what the game was so it felt like those people should realize it wasn't a game for them. After having the game I still feel I'm right that there was enough info out there that you could get an idea of what the game was. It's almost exactly what I expected judging from what I had read about it.
I can't wait for things to settle down and those that don't care for the game or feel like they gotta say nyah nyah I was right (yeah, so was I. Point being the game was boring to you and fun for me) to go away and for NMS topics to be inhabited by people who are enjoying the game.
Who knows, maybe it will get boring. I can't claim I've played it enough that that's not possible (but I'm doubting it. Even if the planets feel samey I think there's enough variety of types that isn't going to bug me, it's not what is getting me truly addicted. It appeals to me for many similar reasons survival mode in Fallout has really gotten me addicted. And I had played 250 hours of Fallout before survival mode came out and despite visiting a lot of the same places survival has had me playing another 200 or so hours only stopping cause NMS came out. So yeah, I think samey planets might be disappointing but I don't think they'll make the game boring). But for now I'm really enjoying it and I get the feeling it's the kind of game even if I get a little bored I can come back to and play when I want something relaxing or something to do and I don't have some other hyped game I'm playing. And that is what I want from it.
maybe they didn't expect people to play it to death? maybe the idea was just to play along in the universe, slowly making your way to the centre - meanwhile to devs add cool stuff to mix it up a bit?
MGS V has a lot of depth...
BassForever
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#screaming
Hahaha oh wow
So NMS topics shouldn't be inhabited with people who find (legitimate) negatives with the game?, isn't that called an echo chamber?
For you maybe, it was boring and repetitive for me.
Gamezone
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Grinding and repetitive is what the Destiny and Division fans want.
Storm Chamber
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Lol come on
Reckheim
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As much as I didn't like that game (because of the story), there was a lot of varied game-play and content in the game.
As applied to this game it appears to be a legitimate criticism, even if they didn't go into detail.
LlamaJohnson
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Wait, it's not like that? I've been paying a tad bit of attention to this because I don't own a PS4 but it sounded like something I would want to play based on that assumption. I really thought this would be something with completely random, weird planets, not just the same kinda thing with different colors and plants. Damn. Hope some people find better stuff in there.
GlamFM
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EDIT: nvm. Don´t care.
If you listen to people who are enjoying NMS, they say the same thing, but I still find it extremely boring.
I am also amazed that people can play the game when they want to relax, the continually draining stat meters and resource collection are right at the other end of the relaxing spectrum for me.
Bloodporne
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People aren't giving the devs enough time with their rushing through the game to add cool gameplay after the fact it was released? That can't be what you mean?
It's a sign that its hardly unique, the vast vast majority of games use operant conditioning to a greater or lesser degree.
You are correct, mediocre has pejorative implications, average is a more neutral term.
Primethius
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Maybe for the grinding aspect but I disagree in regards to the exploration. But I think many here will disagree with me in finding exploration in which you see new and unique things with no other actual reward satisfying by itself, so I won't try and apply that to NMS.
The game is going to be divisive. That's fine, a lot of people don't like it, a lot of people really love it. Both fair.
The reviews are what they are. I know I'll like it, (I mean...I liked Spore space stage >.>)
And I hope they'll continuously improving the game with more features and improving the immersion with having walking npc's and such etc.
And hopefully the game on PC is super moddable and people will go nuts with that as well.
It will be interesthing though that I can see NMS getting a lower average score then Spore. Which is interesting to note. (though prematurely at this point)
The reviews are what they are. I know I'll like it, (I mean...I liked Spore space stage >.>)
And I hope they'll continuously improving the game with more features and improving the immersion with having walking npc's and such etc.
And hopefully the game on PC is super moddable and people will go nuts with that as well.
It will be interesthing though that I can see NMS getting a lower average score then Spore. Which is interesting to note. (though prematurely at this point)
Yeah, it's subjective. Anyone can still find a repetitive element of a game fun.
Ollie Pooch
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Has anyone seen a real storm yet? I've had "storm approaching" warnings and then some plants shake around a bit and it says "storm" on my health bar and that's it. In fact I haven't seen a single weather effect in about 20 planets. Maybe it's coming in a patch. I really think this game shipped unfinished.
Yes in NMS the satisfaction comes from the exploration itself. I know it's a hard thing to grasp for many people.
Unknown?
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I was just saying that earlier it's almost as if the majority just don't know what to think without someone else's opinion. Reminds me of how everyone latched onto that guy saying Ratchet and Clank was only five hours and everyone was saying how disappointing the game is. Then reviews came out shining and people changed their tune for realizing they were idiots to believe one source as opposed to playing it theirselves or waiting for multiple sources.
So you want instant satisfaction in a survival/exploration game then?
Agrees and disagree at the same time.
I'm still really liking this game, but now in system 4 and the planets are pretty similar as are the outposts. I dunno, just doesn't seem like that much is new to see in each planet - it's the same basic outposts etc
Hah, I forgot about that one. It took me at least 10 hours to finish, and in fact I felt it went on too long.
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