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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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What did he mean by this?
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I can excuse some things about the flick like the plot. It was never Wallers intention to send the Squad up against Enchantress. And I think Enchantress and Diablo maybe could have amessed with Superman, and MAYBE the Government still has some Kryptonite laying around they can put on Deadshots bullets or Boomer's arrows.
That said, yeah the covert secret disavowable Squad gearing up in a crowded refugee base/army camp and then moving out and coordinating with other squads is so STUPID.
That said, yeah the covert secret disavowable Squad gearing up in a crowded refugee base/army camp and then moving out and coordinating with other squads is so STUPID.
heliosRAzi
Banned
So the Skwad was only supposed to rescue Waller because she fucked up. Makes sense. If it were only the Skwad, it would've been better. But they have a military escort with them and up until the rescue, the Skwad didn't do much more than what the military could've done. The only thing that happened up until that point is Diablo using his fire on the putties.
The Skwad wasn't a necessity and don't justify their existence.
What did he mean by this?
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That particular mission doesnt and the portrayal of their existence doesnt justify their existence. But the sequel will fix it
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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What exactly was their plan to take down Enchantress if the Suicide Squad wasn't going to do it? Why did they let her just sit there and build a portal for like 2 days?
What did he mean by this?
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Also, as soon as I saw the Incubus on screen I had a big smile imagining the Justice League fighting that thing like out the cartoon show
heliosRAzi
Banned
I hope so. Because the disavowable squad is what I like about it. And we need to see the bad guys be actual bad guys f
They were going to bomb it, presumably
EasilySatisfied
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I just realized today that the entire movie takes place in midway city, which is also flash's home base if I dont remember wrong? Like its one thing that no major heroes appeared, another that the flash appeared at the beginning, and a whole other thing that this all went down in his home turf
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Midway City is Hawkman, Central City is Flash.
peanutbutterlatte
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That's sort of an interesting idea. Would have been nice to have that revealed in an actual scene... and not a 15 second blink-and-you'll-miss-it splash screen.
EasilySatisfied
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Hmmm, guess i remembered wrong then
BronsonLee
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So what you're saying is Hawkman is lazy as shit
Kibbles
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A lot of interesting stuff here http://www.empireonline.com/movies/suicide-squad/suicide-squad-spoilers/
There's 6-7 different versions of the movie lol
Ayer:
"Theres a linear version we did where it opens up with June in the cave and tells the story in sequence with the arrests and Batman, and then we go to Belle Reve. Honestly, there may be six or seven different versions of the film. In that version, [test] audiences were left with a lot of questions and a little disoriented as to who to watch and why. So we came up with what we call the dossier version which has Amanda presenting the backstories and origins of the various members."
There's 6-7 different versions of the movie lol
Ayer:
"Theres a linear version we did where it opens up with June in the cave and tells the story in sequence with the arrests and Batman, and then we go to Belle Reve. Honestly, there may be six or seven different versions of the film. In that version, [test] audiences were left with a lot of questions and a little disoriented as to who to watch and why. So we came up with what we call the dossier version which has Amanda presenting the backstories and origins of the various members."
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Anton Sugar
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Honestly, I really hate the "dossier" intros. Style for style's sake. Worse--that style is basically completely abandoned for the rest of the movie and we're introduced to them *again* a short while later, anyway.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Six versions all done in editing. The film has story problems, but the editing is in a whole league by itself.
heliosRAzi
Banned
They should have started with a compelling for the Suicide Squad to exist.
Glory Fades
Banned
I don't get anyone who has bead things to say about an Oscar winner, and if you took the time to see all of his work. Leto is a top 10 actor in the world.
You may not like the interpretation of the Joker that he was given, but please be sensible about it.
I thought it was amazing, and I could have done with 2:15 movie about him and Harley alone.
I don't want Heath 2.0, That is never going to happen. What I like is that they are taking a different approach. Sometimes you guys are so harsh and critical.
You may not like the interpretation of the Joker that he was given, but please be sensible about it.
I thought it was amazing, and I could have done with 2:15 movie about him and Harley alone.
I don't want Heath 2.0, That is never going to happen. What I like is that they are taking a different approach. Sometimes you guys are so harsh and critical.
BronsonLee
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'Go kill Batman.'
heliosRAzi
Banned
Fixed
Mister_Bubbles
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That fingers-interlocking Enchantress transition in the board room was the only legit scene in the entire film.
Killer Queen
Banned
This could've been explained much better and would've helped the plot and pacing of the movie.
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There are some things that should take precedence over everything, within the context of what a film is trying to achieve.
This is a comicbook movie. All it should strive to achieve is visual spectacle, bringing the aesthetics and comic book world to life, and that is all you should expect of it. It should also attempt to be fun and not be boring. Now, if it goes any further than that and does something you did not expect it would, then that's a bonus.
I don't know about yourself, but when go and watch a comic book movie, I'm going there to have some fun and see some things I haven't seen before on screen. Your average comicbook movie is just that, average. Aside from a handful (Captain America Winter Soldier, Watchmen etc.) The ones released in the past decade are average at best and have low rewatch value because they are more like rollercoaster rides more than an actual experience. This is the kind of comicbook movie suicide squad is. It fits in perfectly well with the likes of Guardians of The Galaxy, Iron Man 3, the Thor movies, Avengers 2. It's got a big baddy that has a terrible motivation to do what they do, and the good guys have to fight his army of soulless and bloodless goons that are fodder.
But sometimes, you get glimpses in to the kind of movie it was before the BVS conundrum made WB paranoid about the chances they were taking.
What I enjoy about this movie is that, while the story aspects have been altered from what they were, the aesthetics are still there.When a comicbook movie can come up with something this original and weirdly unfamiliar, it deserves some praise. You can complain about 'quick cuts' and music choices and whatnot, but your average viewer neither notices, nor particularly cares about those things. Nor should they. As by the numbers and generic suicide squad is, it has some marvels that put it in good light, even above the likes of GoTG and Avengers 2.
This is a comicbook movie. All it should strive to achieve is visual spectacle, bringing the aesthetics and comic book world to life, and that is all you should expect of it. It should also attempt to be fun and not be boring. Now, if it goes any further than that and does something you did not expect it would, then that's a bonus.
I don't know about yourself, but when go and watch a comic book movie, I'm going there to have some fun and see some things I haven't seen before on screen. Your average comicbook movie is just that, average. Aside from a handful (Captain America Winter Soldier, Watchmen etc.) The ones released in the past decade are average at best and have low rewatch value because they are more like rollercoaster rides more than an actual experience. This is the kind of comicbook movie suicide squad is. It fits in perfectly well with the likes of Guardians of The Galaxy, Iron Man 3, the Thor movies, Avengers 2. It's got a big baddy that has a terrible motivation to do what they do, and the good guys have to fight his army of soulless and bloodless goons that are fodder.
But sometimes, you get glimpses in to the kind of movie it was before the BVS conundrum made WB paranoid about the chances they were taking.
What I enjoy about this movie is that, while the story aspects have been altered from what they were, the aesthetics are still there.When a comicbook movie can come up with something this original and weirdly unfamiliar, it deserves some praise. You can complain about 'quick cuts' and music choices and whatnot, but your average viewer neither notices, nor particularly cares about those things. Nor should they. As by the numbers and generic suicide squad is, it has some marvels that put it in good light, even above the likes of GoTG and Avengers 2.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I agree. It's when I have discussions with friends who don't read comics that I realize how much my mind can fill in the blanks of character stuff that comes out of nowhere and doesn't make sense to those unfamiliar.
To be fair, I don't think everything needs to be explained either, audiences aren't stupid, but your character moments have to have some semblance of setup.
Waller gunning down the control room personnel fits her character, but it seems dark for the overall movie tone and she's not seen being that ruthless at that point. Flag also should've had a problem with it. There shouldn't have been a humorous quip between Deadshot and Flag.
heliosRAzi
Banned
That moment should have been when the squad realizes who they are working for and should bond over that. I know in the current run, Waller likes to keep their hatred on her so that they all work together.
heliosRAzi
Banned
You can't wait for it to pirated in HD?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Finally got to see the movie, and while there are individual moments that are cool, the entire movie taken as a whole is a tonally awkward, haphazardly edited mess.
The last time I felt this disoriented by the editing and stupid plot was Star Trek Into Darkness.
The last time I felt this disoriented by the editing and stupid plot was Star Trek Into Darkness.
Not sure if it's a good idea to post a link to a pirated scene from the movie.
So,
There is in there somewhere a good movie.
This just isn't it.
1) You can tell the jokes were added later. I'm assuming what's hit butt from Mindy Project was added for the reshoots.
2) I liked that the mission was Waller trying to cover for her fuckup.
3) I didn't hate Joker.
4) I liked when they were all trying to break out, and really fucking hated Flagg and Waller.
5) The bar scene where they were ripping one another was pretty good. Then Flagg smashed the bomb in neck device. And they all decided to save the world. WHAT THE FUCK. It had the right idea when they all didn't want to do this and wanted away from the mission.
6) Waller getting captured is stupid. She should have stuck around and made them fight the big bad at the end.
7) The pacing is all over the place. Most of the jokes failed horribly. The character motivation threw up all over the place in the back half of the movie.
8) There are at least 5 too many characters. Its like they didn't want to write scenes for Katana, Boomerang or Croc. This could have super helped the pacing if they had paired this down.
9) the fucking pacing. They are building a team, and then the world is taken over and they have to fight. I liked the whole Waller fucked up and was using her team to cover up her fuck up. That was an interesting angle.
There is in there somewhere a good movie.
This just isn't it.
1) You can tell the jokes were added later. I'm assuming what's hit butt from Mindy Project was added for the reshoots.
2) I liked that the mission was Waller trying to cover for her fuckup.
3) I didn't hate Joker.
4) I liked when they were all trying to break out, and really fucking hated Flagg and Waller.
5) The bar scene where they were ripping one another was pretty good. Then Flagg smashed the bomb in neck device. And they all decided to save the world. WHAT THE FUCK. It had the right idea when they all didn't want to do this and wanted away from the mission.
6) Waller getting captured is stupid. She should have stuck around and made them fight the big bad at the end.
7) The pacing is all over the place. Most of the jokes failed horribly. The character motivation threw up all over the place in the back half of the movie.
8) There are at least 5 too many characters. Its like they didn't want to write scenes for Katana, Boomerang or Croc. This could have super helped the pacing if they had paired this down.
9) the fucking pacing. They are building a team, and then the world is taken over and they have to fight. I liked the whole Waller fucked up and was using her team to cover up her fuck up. That was an interesting angle.
Monocle
Member
The performance that we were given should be judged on its own merits. Why allow actors to coast on awards? Why not praise good work and criticize flaws when we see them?
Glory Fades
Banned
I thought he was awesome with what he was given.It was such a fresh take. That is just my opinion, and I understand if yours differs.
Kibbles
Member
The novelization of the club scene is crazy, Monster T shoots himself and Joker laughs about how he had a lotta brains, Harley fingers some of it off her face. Some of the dialogue here is ehhh but I hope we see this in the BluRay. There is that photograph of Joker giving Monster T his gun and pleading him to shoot Harley like it says in the novel, so it seems like they filmed it.
Okay, after just seeing TDK again on TV I have to say I much prefer Leto Joker. The constant tongue and lip smacking, especially in the interrogation scene, got old fast. Ledger does have him beat in the laughs though.
Jack Scofield
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This just reminded me how much I disliked Leto's growling in the movie. He seriously seems to growl in every scene. It reminded me of a little kid trying to act scary. Is was weird and off-putting, but not in a good way.
Didn't know that wasn't allowed here, my bad.
People can say wtvr they want about Leto's Joker but you have to admit he is very overpowered. Ledger's Joker had to go through a lot just to crawl under Batman's skin. This Joker seems like the type who just shows up on Batman's doorsteps with a machine gun and burns everything to the ground. Which is probably what he did going by Wayne Manor in BvS. I don't even think Nicholsons Joker would be able to pull off a stunt like what Leto did with the chopper scene in SS. He really is like a psycho version of TAS Joker.
I really can't wait to see what Affleck does with Leto in the solo Batman movie. If he does it right it could turn into some very crazy stuff.
I really can't wait to see what Affleck does with Leto in the solo Batman movie. If he does it right it could turn into some very crazy stuff.
Zeus The Dino
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Christ
This should have been revealed in the solo Bats movie, DC universe is a mess
shoulda been
MoS - Solo Batman - BvS - Suicide Squad
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It's almost like they have no idea what they are doing and making this up as they go.
Kibbles
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this review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kq_lvUn5Ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kq_lvUn5Ak
xXCrazyCostaXX
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I posted in another thread but the introduction of Harley says she was an accomplice in the death of robin. Why does joker already have the grill and the damaged tattoo on his head already when he meets her as Harleen.
Monocle
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Watch Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Trust me. He's great in the right role.
Discotheque
Banned
i hated this movie but there are definitely little moments i liked in it for sure.
- batman punching out harley was funny. also when he gives her mouth to mouth and quickly restrains her...man you just get total arkham-game vibes from the way he handles himself. batman is killing it right now imo
- the flash cameo was fantastic, his entrance just looked really cool. i'm pretty confident he's gonna murk justice league and his own film.
- will smith in the first half of the movie, (phil jackson, all his scenes with ike barinholtz, shooting range, white people that shit etc.)
- harley in the club. joker was whatever, not nearly as charismatic as he should have been. but man she looked so damn good. that dynamic between them at the club works really well too. i was sweating when joker called her over, and she said puddin and smiled...phew
- ike barinholtz/prison guard scenes (delete my browser history was the best joke of the movie lol)
- amanda waller's performance. davis had that in the bag easy.
- the scene when boomerang leaves immediately when the detonator is destroyed, shit was hilarious. that scene made the most sense in the entire film...but they immediately fuck that up by bringing him back for no reason.
- waller/bruce scene. "You look tired, you should stop working nights" haha so good.
that's all the positives i can think of. small moments, a lot of the jokes from deadshot landed well imo and I was enjoying the humor more than guardians and the like...but then even the jokes started to nosedive as the film went on. and dear god Croc was WOAT. kill him off, I don't want that guy tarnishing the batman flicks.
- batman punching out harley was funny. also when he gives her mouth to mouth and quickly restrains her...man you just get total arkham-game vibes from the way he handles himself. batman is killing it right now imo
- the flash cameo was fantastic, his entrance just looked really cool. i'm pretty confident he's gonna murk justice league and his own film.
- will smith in the first half of the movie, (phil jackson, all his scenes with ike barinholtz, shooting range, white people that shit etc.)
- harley in the club. joker was whatever, not nearly as charismatic as he should have been. but man she looked so damn good. that dynamic between them at the club works really well too. i was sweating when joker called her over, and she said puddin and smiled...phew
- ike barinholtz/prison guard scenes (delete my browser history was the best joke of the movie lol)
- amanda waller's performance. davis had that in the bag easy.
- the scene when boomerang leaves immediately when the detonator is destroyed, shit was hilarious. that scene made the most sense in the entire film...but they immediately fuck that up by bringing him back for no reason.
- waller/bruce scene. "You look tired, you should stop working nights" haha so good.
that's all the positives i can think of. small moments, a lot of the jokes from deadshot landed well imo and I was enjoying the humor more than guardians and the like...but then even the jokes started to nosedive as the film went on. and dear god Croc was WOAT. kill him off, I don't want that guy tarnishing the batman flicks.
But what about Cara Delevingne???
beyond_death
Member
One thing about Flash, his costume looked way better in motion than in the still photo which I thought looked a bit crap.
broncobuster
Banned
I'm kind of glad they removed Joker killing Ike Barinholtz if they want to bring him back. Him and Willie are the funniest parts. At the same time, the scene of him taking selfies while force feeding Harley is screwed up. And I can't tell what the movie wanted me to feel there with the snapchat filter and pop music.
Discotheque
Banned
That terrible snapchat filter with the bad editing was like a crap episode of American horror story. Hurt the joker scenes a lot imo and felt like Ryan Murphy was directing the film.
Agree on ike barinholtz and will smith being the best things in the film. And Flash looks so good in motion. I disliked him in still photos but that shot of his back when he enters with all the lightning. Dude's got it. He had a very cocky swagger in his pose too.
Personally, I felt pretty frustrated coming out of this movie. It was probably the most mixed and schizophrenic film I have seen in a long fucking time.
When the movie gets good, fuck, does it get good. I would be happy with Will Smith, Maggie Margot, and Viola Davis reprising their roles forever because they fucking nailed it. And it blows my mind that Jai Courtney, Jai fucking Courtney, can somehow lead a decent delivery where he's not a fucking default video game create-a-character or some shit like in most of his other roles.
But when the movie gets bad... Oh boy. Everything relating to the Enchantress was just bad (and the theater busted out in laughter when she's doing her dance while cryptically talking shit to the Squad), the editing was an absolute mess (40 minutes on Waller's dossier mode for instance), and the music selection made it seem like they were just trying way, way, way too hard to make the movie unnaturally goofy. And Leto Joker, I.. I tried to like him, GAF. I really did, but he just did not work for me at all. And do not even get me started on the Joker/Harley love depiction in this movie.
This frustrates me because there is definitely a good movie in here somewhere. But as so many other posters have said, there are just too many things that add up wrong here in my opinion. Unlike X-Men Apocalypse where the movie is just 100% unintentional cheese from start to finish, Suicide Squad just keeps constantly going from "holy shit this is awesome" to "wtf" throughout the entire goddamn run in every scene. It's pretty much just all wasted potential in the end.
When the movie gets good, fuck, does it get good. I would be happy with Will Smith, Maggie Margot, and Viola Davis reprising their roles forever because they fucking nailed it. And it blows my mind that Jai Courtney, Jai fucking Courtney, can somehow lead a decent delivery where he's not a fucking default video game create-a-character or some shit like in most of his other roles.
But when the movie gets bad... Oh boy. Everything relating to the Enchantress was just bad (and the theater busted out in laughter when she's doing her dance while cryptically talking shit to the Squad), the editing was an absolute mess (40 minutes on Waller's dossier mode for instance), and the music selection made it seem like they were just trying way, way, way too hard to make the movie unnaturally goofy. And Leto Joker, I.. I tried to like him, GAF. I really did, but he just did not work for me at all. And do not even get me started on the Joker/Harley love depiction in this movie.
This frustrates me because there is definitely a good movie in here somewhere. But as so many other posters have said, there are just too many things that add up wrong here in my opinion. Unlike X-Men Apocalypse where the movie is just 100% unintentional cheese from start to finish, Suicide Squad just keeps constantly going from "holy shit this is awesome" to "wtf" throughout the entire goddamn run in every scene. It's pretty much just all wasted potential in the end.
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