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[Saint of Killers]

Networking – Ability to scan star systems other players have discovered on the Galactic Map, increasing the chance of collision.

I wonder why they continued work on a feature after the disc version shipped, and included it in the patch notes, when they supposedly know nothing can happen when two players meet...

 

[noomi]

So when the PC version is out tomorrow, will this thing be cracked open and we will know this answer once and for all? Is that why the pc version was delayed 3 days?

I imagine we'll know a lot more, data mining is some serious shit.

Maybe all the silence from Hello Games is because they are focusing on getting the PC release out and perhaps a small patch to the current game?

 

[The1Ski]

All the time.

It's primarily down to devs showing "BS slices" at gaming events like E3 which turn out not to be a representation of the final game. Ubisoft are kings at it. Watch Dogs kicked off this generation in spectacular fashion showing what lying/hyping and under-delivering does.

NMS might not have shown other players during E3, but they did show far bigger creatures that what we appear to have in reality.

Yeah but I think graphical downgrades are a horse of a different color. I'm not disagreeing that devs and publishers arent susceptible to overselling their game. But i do think this is different.

 

[SpeedWeed]

It's relevant. Deal with it.

No matter how much HG downplayed it, every single interviewer asked them this question prominently. They also used it to fuel player's imaginations time and time again. They knew the possibility of meeting someone in NMS would be a big hook for players.

They should've been honest about it. They weren't.

Yep, this is where I am with this. If you can't actually do what they said in so many interviews that you could just to drum up hype, well, there is no defense for that. They lied, plain and simple. Straight up Molyneux it.

I'm still looking forward to playing the game down the track on PC, but I don't think it will be a day one full price purchase now. Reason being, while only a small insignificant feature I can't support this kind of deceit. I haven't in the past and I won't start now.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

I wonder why they continued work on a feature after the disc version shipped, and included it in the patch notes, when they supposedly know nothing can happen when two players meet...

They suggest that they are working on a feature does not necessarily mean they are really working on it. At least this is I get from their past interviews.

 

[bj00rn_]

I wonder why they continued work on a feature after the disc version shipped, and included it in the patch notes, when they supposedly know nothing can happen when two players meet...

The theory is that what we define as a "collision" (direct in-game player interaction) perhaps isn't the same as how Hello defines it (encountering other people's information-traces).

 

[flkraven]

The theory is that what we define as a "collision" (direct in-game player interaction) is not the same as how Hello defines it (encountering other people's information-traces).

What about when Sean said that the only way you will know what your avatar looks like is when someone else sees you? What about when he said we are able to play with our friends or grief people? How are those supposed to be defined?

 

[hodgy100]

In all honesty: Sean, the man who made the statements. Do you think Sony sends the developer out and tells him to spread lies about his game?

They probably made a list of talking points and one important one would be to get across to the audience that it's a shared universe.

But "players can see each other", "little bit of griefing" and "you can play with your friends" ... those were Murray's words.

After being briefed by marketing and pr dudes about how to answer certain questions. marketing dictate how the product is viewed by the public. Even if the words are coming from the developers mouth.

Doubt it.

Something is seriously wrong if an NDA prevents you from talking about which features are in your own game after it has been released. Makes no sense.

Game development! ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

 

[Vex_]

It's relevant. Deal with it.

No matter how much HG downplayed it, every single interviewer asked them this question prominently. They also used it to fuel player's imaginations time and time again. They knew the possibility of meeting someone in NMS would be a big hook for players.

They should've been honest about it. They weren't.

Yes, entirely. He is on video saying it multiple times, LOL. He lied. End of story. We all just want to know why, that is all. That is what all of this is about... Why??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A


That's not ALL interviews, but yea. Mostly I think he did say straight up "yes".

 

[Saint of Killers]

They suggest that they are working on a feature does not necessarily mean they are really working on it. At least this is I get from their past interviews.

But that note is from the 1.03 update. It *was* worked on and released.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I'm leaning less toward "he's under NDA" and more "he's scared to admit it."

When a developer is tight lipped about something, 99% of the time it's because they legally can't talk about it.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

After being briefed by marketing and pr dudes about how to answer certain questions. marketing dictate how the product is viewed by the public. Even if the words are coming from the developers mouth.

So you suggest he is a spineless puppet? Could be, or he is perhaps the Molyneux kind of type? Anyway...

 

[Fliesen]

What about when Sean said that the only way you will know what your avatar looks like is when someone else sees you? What about when he said we are able to play with our friends or grief people? How are those supposed to be defined?

well, if i found a planet in a system you named and last saved on, i knew you were curreltly at work , and i were to discover, name and upload everything else in that system, you'd return to a system where exploration wouldn't yield you any more income.

 

[educator]

Something is seriously wrong if an NDA prevents you from talking about which features are in your own game after it has been released. Makes no sense.

My highly, somewhat educated guess, is that Murray is not under an NDA. In cases like these, when someone becomes radio silent after controversy is on the brink of erupting, it is almost always on the recommendation of a professional connected to the person in question. I am guessing he has been recommended by someone (or a team) at Sony to not further speak, answer or engage with the community and media (in fear of immediate backlash) until the PC version of NMS is released.

Radio silence is a pretty common way of dealing with these sorts of situations. It works for a small period of time, especially if the silence is broken with a swift and thought out reply, but not if it is extended for a long period of time. My guess is he will respond no later than Sunday.

 

[JaseC]

When a developer is tight lipped about something, 99% of the time it's because they legally can't talk about it.

Sony adjusted the rear cover on physical copies of the game, though, so it tightening the muzzle on HG such that it can't clarify whether or not there's any multiplayer to speak of wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Stranya]

It really is such bullshit that HG or Sean Murray haven't confirmed this one way or the other. They don't even need to explain how you can meet other people, or any mystery - just whether or not it's possible/broken etc. Lots of people have paid decent money and it's reasonable to expect some clarity.

 

[Tecnniqe]

I imagine we'll know a lot more, data mining is some serious shit.

Maybe all the silence from Hello Games is because they are focusing on getting the PC release out and perhaps a small patch to the current game?

Yeah. One more day and we'll know :3

 

[dalin80]

I expect that the players were in different instances, unfortunate but I was honestly expecting much greater issues at launch.

 

[TimFL]

So why aren't more people talking about this on here?

Took me a long while finding this because every link leading to it was a dead end (picture deleted).
I mean them confirming NMS Online in the official PlayStation UK magazine interview screams "no MP on launch" to me?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Lol yes, big business is forcing Sean to make bs statements and then turn around and not say anything after release. Happens all the time when products are released that don't live up to promise lmao

 

[flkraven]

I expect that the players were in different instances, unfortunate but I was honestly expecting much greater issues at launch.

Or, you know, the dev could tell us what happened. It's not like these 2 people didn't try for hours and hours.

 

[Waikis]

I'll admit I haven't followed every interview of Murray to know exactly what he said and when, but around the time of the announcement I recall him saying it was "virtually impossible" to meet someone else. Any sane person would think, "okay that means no".
Naturally, upon hearing that, some Twitch streamers decided to go all Lloyd Christmas "So you're telling me there's a chance?"


It's not a realistic task for the team but you expected it in the game on day 1.....

I am very surprised to hear this illogical argument over and over again.
A probability above 0 is still above 0. While it's nearly / virtually impossible to win a lottery, it doesn't mean that there is absolutely 0 chance of winning it, does it?

Very ironic given that these are fans of a game that is supposed to celebrate science and math. Even more ironic they bring up dumb and dumber for these arguments.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

So why aren't more people talking about this on here?

Took me a long while finding this because every link leading to it was a dead end (picture deleted).
I mean them confirming NMS Online in the official PlayStation UK magazine interview screams "no MP on launch" to me?

Because it's a whole lot of nothing. That paragraph doesn't imply multiplayer. Just says you can travel to other player's worlds, which you can, and players can share their worlds, which they can.

 

[flkraven]

I am very surprised to hear this illogicl argument over and over again.
A probability above 0 is still above 0. While it's nearly / virtually impossible to win a lottery, it doesn't mean that there is absolutely 0 chance of winning it, does it?

Very ironic given that these are fans of a game that is supposed to celebrate science and math. Even more ironic they bring up dumb and dumber for these arguments.

Yup. Nearly impossible isn't impossible.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Oh hey, apparently the odds are pretty good. Several people won it on the first day already.

But then this happened:

perfect illustration of the issue. agreed.

 

[bj00rn_]

What about when Sean said that the only way you will know what your avatar looks like is when someone else sees you? What about when he said we are able to play with our friends or grief people? How are those supposed to be defined?

I don't know, but it's odd yes. Perhaps they were planning more in-depth online features but for some reason wasn't able to. And now they're doing a lot of cryptic dancing around the topic instead of being honest and direct-

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Sony adjusted the rear cover on physical copies of the game, though, so it tightening the muzzle on HG such that it can't clarify whether or not there's any multiplayer to speak of wouldn't make much sense.

The icon thay was covered does not indicate online play. They were likely expecting a different rating than what they received and had the boxes printed already for the original June release date.

 

[Jac_Solar]

I'll admit I haven't followed every interview of Murray to know exactly what he said and when, but around the time of the announcement I recall him saying it was "virtually impossible" to meet someone else. Any sane person would think, "okay that means no".
Naturally, upon hearing that, some Twitch streamers decided to go all Lloyd Christmas "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

Virtually impossible, as opposed to a flat out "no", would mean that multiplayer is in (It's either yes or no, impossible or possible.), which means that you should be able to meet another player if you were both in the same location. Based on articles and everything they've said about the game, and how multiplayer works, I'm guessing he said "virtually impossible" to emphasize how large the world is, and how difficult it would be to find other players because the world is so large.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I'm leaning less toward "he's under NDA" and more "he's scared to admit it."

If that were true, why promote adding features to make finding players easier?

If there is genuinely no MP component to this game beyond the sharing of named/discovered stuff, it'd make no sense whatsoever to add, much less promote, a feature that would reveal the truth that he is (according to some) trying to hide.

 

[JaseC]

The icon thay was covered does not indicate online play. They were likely expecting a different rating than what they received and had the boxes printed already for the original June release date.

Ah, right.

 

[TimFL]

Because it's a whole lot of nothing. That paragraph doesn't imply multiplayer. Just says you can travel to other player's worlds, which you can, and players can share their worlds, which they can.

I think it's the rumored post-launch join your friends update they talked about in one of the interviews. I remember someone asking them if they plan on making it easier for friends to meet eachother and they said they'll think about adding some party feature to join your friends more easily (instead of having to travel there).

I wouldn't say it's a whole lot of nothing. Calling said thing "NMS Online" pretty much implies something other than their whole discovery update. Sharing worlds could mean being in the same instance so you see each other (synced mining and so on). Why even bother giving it a special title (No man's Sky Online) and mention it as coming after launch if it's already in the game. This is an official PS UK magazine interview we're talking about (it came out a week before the games launch afaik?). Makes no sense to dismiss it as a "nothing".

 

[hodgy100]

So you suggest he is a spineless puppet? Could be, or he is perhaps the Molyneux kind of type? Anyway...

I never said he's a spineless puppet, those are your words. Game developers just don't have much (if any) freedom when it comes to the advertising of their own product if they sell their advertising rights for funding.

 

[Stranya]

Yup. Nearly impossible isn't impossible.

And we're not talking about real life, we're talking about a consumer item that is sold on its features. Whether a game has a multiplayer element is one of the biggest feature differentiators in games. They either programmed in that feature or they didn't.

Whether or not the multiplayer is the focus is irrelevant: if you tell people it's possible, though very unlikely, then people will legitimately expect that.

 

[Hanmik]

I found this strange thing on a planet.. here is a picture of it in my inventory..

maybe this is tied to the secret..?

 

[Bedlam]

If that were true, why promote adding features to make finding players easier?

If there is genuinely no MP component to this game beyond the sharing of named/discovered stuff, it'd make no sense whatsoever to add, much less promote, a feature that would reveal the truth that he is (according to some) trying to hide.

They already stretched the meaning of "find" and "meet" beyond what we thought was possible.

The tracker thing is just another allusion to players that meet-ups are possible in the game - when in reality they aren't.

My guess is the tracker will help you find planets that have been discovered by players but that's all.

 

[Chabbles]

I believe you cant see other people, they would have shut that rumor down immediately if it were false. And now the guys hands are tied by Sony and he cant come clean ? (which could suit Sean cause of the shitstorm he'll have to deal with) Sony should be held accountable too.

 

[Mengy]

Do you own the game?

LOL, JaseC owns everything on Steam, what a funny question!!!!

 

[Fliesen]

I think it's the rumored post-launch join your friends update they talked about in one of the interviews. I remember someone asking them if they plan on making it easier for friends to meet eachother and they said they'll think about adding some party feature to join your friends more easily (instead of having to travel there).

I wouldn't say it's a whole lot of nothing. Calling said thing "NMS Online" pretty much implies something other than their whole discovery update. Sharing worlds could mean being in the same instance so you see each other (synced mining and so on). Why even bother giving it a special title (No man's Sky Online) and mention it as coming after launch if it's already in the game. This is an official PS UK magazine interview we're talking about (it came out a week before the games launch afaik?). Makes no sense to dismiss it as a "nothing".

well, at its current state, it's similar to how GTA V was released. With the promised online features due for a later release, and only very limited online features, like a shared stock market.
But with GTA V, all of this was well communicated with consumers at the time of release.

 

[BrettHeazy]

I thought the reasoning behind players not seeing each other was obvious - Time Dialation.

The easter egg is, you becoming a mathematical guru and learn astro physics to time your warpdrive at the right moment to meet your mate.

that's your cool moment.

 

[Jawmuncher]

MP is the new Chapter 3

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I never said he's a spineless puppet, those are your words. Game developers just don't have much (if any) freedom when it comes to the advertising of their own product if they sell their advertising rights for funding.

I think it's kinda disingenuous to pass the buck onto Sony without more information. If they didn't want him talking about the game they would have assigned a PR person, like Nintendo does for Retro.

 

[Netherscourge]

So when the PC version is out tomorrow, will this thing be cracked open and we will know this answer once and for all? Is that why the pc version was delayed 3 days?

They have been backing off Multiplayer ever since they first mentioned it as a very limited feature in the game years ago.

Last weekend Sean put the final dagger in it's heart when he tweeted that there was NO MULTIPLAYER and that it's a singleplayer game.

I have 1 theory:

They were going to have the very basic "seeing each other" online feature, but delayed the game back in June to strip it from the game completely. Probably because it didn't work how they hoped it would.

It was probably a last minute decision and as such, they didn't even have time to get new PS4 boxes made to remove the Online/Multiplayer icon. So, they just had stickers slapped over them on the box to save time and money.

 

[metareferential]

They have been backing off Multiplayer ever since they first mentioned it as a very limited feature in the game years ago.

Last weekend Sean put the final dagger in it's heart when he tweeted that there was NO MULTIPLAYER and that it's a singleplayer game.

I have 1 theory:

They were going to have the very basic "seeing each other" online feature, but delayed the game back in June to strip it from the game completely. Probably because it didn't work how they hoped it would.

It was probably a last minute decision and as such, they didn't even have time to get new PS4 boxes made to remove the Online/Multiplayer icon. So, they just had stickers slapped over them on the box to save time and money.

The sticker is because of a different rating.

 

[cr0w]

Man, some of y'all...god damn.

 

[Irishmantis]

Quoted from other thread in reply of people wanting to sue them and company to come to its death because of this.

Wow!!!!!!

I am not following this game as I'm not interested but reading that people want a guy who only had a small team, sold his house for funds and gambled all money to fucking to crash and burn????

Some people are way too emotional for a fucking sequence of pixels lately.

And for what? Because there is no multiplayer? Has he being shoving or promoting multiplayer down our throats? I can't remember him
Saying how good multiplayer was if he did I be getting this game , but he never promted it.

I get it he was quite vague and I'm sure there was a reason, he was honest about everything else.

Yeah I know there is a hard to find interview where he said yes but maybe it's still possible, just because 2 guys streamed the same place at the same time doesn't mean that's how you connect to players, could work differently. There is also the chance he removed it, how old is that interview?

But even if there isn't and he lied I guess, does it really deserve to burn in hell? As I said how much has he being promoting how cool multiplayer will be?
So if anything it was more like on scales of an "Extra" over a full blowing mode.
But hay sue them to oblivion these scumbags deserve their hard work to die because something I extremely overhyped without much solid information to confirm it is not in the game
Fuck you and your team Sean .

Now people are stretching about lying in there trailers I highly doubt that.

People say in thread "how come we haven't seen any the cool giant worms in the trailer"

Few people reply "I have seen them"

More people come in and skip completely over the few people and quote the all the people complaining above "yeah I haven't seen them either, HG are fucking lairs"

Also on the people saying by now Millions people's would of seen them by now if they truly existed.
Well let's ignore the people who said they had like you did, do you believe 100% of them people are uploading footage of every strange creature?

Just because GAF uploads everything doesn't mean everybody is smashing that share button.

I understand people are hurt but can you atleast think of how irrational you are thinking and even stretching to a degree.

As I said since I haven't being fully following the game(but still followed enough to know what I'm talking about ) and I'm not interested in the game, I thought an unbiased mind could share some light .

 

[Netherscourge]

The sticker is because of a different rating.

Yea, but wouldn't the age rating drop to 7 BECAUSE they removed the online feature?

 

[ClosingADoor]

They have been backing off Multiplayer ever since they first mentioned it as a very limited feature in the game years ago.

Last weekend Sean put the final dagger in it's heart when he tweeted that there was NO MULTIPLAYER and that it's a singleplayer game.

I have 1 theory:

They were going to have the very basic "seeing each other" online feature, but delayed the game back in June to strip it from the game completely. Probably because it didn't work how they hoped it would.

It was probably a last minute decision and as such, they didn't even have time to get new PS4 boxes made to remove the Online/Multiplayer icon. So, they just had stickers slapped over them on the box to save time and money.

Problem is, right after he tweeted that he also said: "The chances of two players ever crossing paths in a universe this large is pretty much zero."

Pretty much zero seems to indicate it is possible. And coupled with earlier statements, people rightfully thought they could meet players, although chances would be very low.

If it is delayed, they can just come out and say so. No reason to hide that.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I'm sure I'm super late, but on my FB feed, one of those auto-playing IGN news stories played; and even they reported it seems to be server issues causing folks not being able to see each other.

So, at the very least, IGN is reporting as if they had the same multi expectations I and many others did.

 

[Shari]

About the sticker tho, if it was just about changing the pegy rating why the online feature hasn't been kept?

 

[flkraven]

They have been backing off Multiplayer ever since they first mentioned it as a very limited feature in the game years ago.

Last weekend Sean put the final dagger in it's heart when he tweeted that there was NO MULTIPLAYER and that it's a singleplayer game.

I have 1 theory:

They were going to have the very basic "seeing each other" online feature, but delayed the game back in June to strip it from the game completely. Probably because it didn't work how they hoped it would.

It was probably a last minute decision and as such, they didn't even have time to get new PS4 boxes made to remove the Online/Multiplayer icon. So, they just had stickers slapped over them on the box to save time and money.

I have a quote in the Op from 2 weeks ago where he says it's possible to see people. There is also a patch note for the day 1 patch that discusses player collision.

I also have a theory: Sean knows that he was being intentionally deceptive.