Alebrije
Member
If there is not flow is not a river just a small lake arm no matter how long it is
Reddit Compiles Definitive List of All NMS Missing Features/False Marketing +Sources
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If there is not flow is not a river just a small lake arm no matter how long it is
eot
Banned
E3 Walkthrough: "Completely unscripted planet chosen at random!"
It's in a folder called 'screenshots' though?
And the planet 1, 2, 3 aren't in the E3 folder.
Icyflamez96
Member
Not sure how this changes anything about the what do you do discussion. The answer continues to be the same as it always has. Land on planets, gather resources, upgrade, get units, buy ships, explore, move onto the center. Though there are clearly many elements (and the execution) that fell short, but that doesn't really give anymore merit or validity to the people asking the question. Not to say it lacked merit, because it's a fair question for someone who really doesn't know, but presenting that question in an attempt to spite any side of the discussion is fruitless.
MisterR
Member
Do you realize how fucking ridiculous this is getting? Can you see that?
Your choice pal - and that naturally sounds like way better value - although if you're into Animal Crossing you'd probably enjoy NMS. Pop into the OT for some different impressions. There's a cool community developing.
CharminUltra
Member
You.
Yes, you. The one screaming, "There's no multiplayer!" and "Sean Murray lied to us!" and other slurs I dare not mention.
Tread lightly.
You are one. We are hundreds, thousands, Millions. You aren't just IN the minority; you ARE the minority.
Yes, you. The one screaming, "There's no multiplayer!" and "Sean Murray lied to us!" and other slurs I dare not mention.
Tread lightly.
You are one. We are hundreds, thousands, Millions. You aren't just IN the minority; you ARE the minority.
Review copies were never given and the reviews were only able to give us information days after release. They had to take their time to review the game. I don't see how this argument holds at all.
Graphics Horse
Member
True, but if you test that against most videogame 'rivers' you'll be disappointed.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Do you not realize that words have meanings?
Perhaps, but whataboutism isn't really the point is it?
newtypepilot
Member
ROFL
and that list on reddit... OMG. Isn't this considered...fraud?? WTF. It really is just a glorified tech demo overhyped as a full price game....
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
It's lacking the collecting/hoarding aspect of AC but it has a nice relaxed vibe. Can be nice to chuck some music on and explore a few planets.
CraigerGamer
Member
Because this kind of list is crap. I don't know how developers are ok with the blatant attacks this game gets on features that didn't make it into the game. I hope, at some point, other devs come to the the aid of Murray and his team because this type of witch hunt is created just to kill a game studio because some don't like the game or didn't like that a game was getting so much hype.
Small teams need to market their games and need to show unfinished version of their game to get any sort of market space. Leeway needs to be given to any team to make the right decisions on whats best for their game. I understand the multiplayer complaint but most of this is list is just petty and hate. NMS sycophants are disgusting but so are the people on the other side who are trying to destroy the game studio who spent 3 years trying to create their game.
I still don't understand people that do.
One of the few 'wow' moments to do with spaceflight is if a dogfight takes you from space into the atmosphere and back again. It's really cool when that happens and makes space feel more like an actual playspace. I don't feel the same way about it as you but I absolutely understand why you feel this way.
And christ, yeah, I hope they add a setting to remove the safety buffer on planets. It's really annoying always being 100 feet in the air and not being able to fly through canyons.
Freezasaurus
Member
Okay, I think I'm done until the next patch drops. I got another freeze today after it being fine for a couple days. I already hit the full 48 inventory slots on my exosuit, I'm just getting tired of the crashes for seemingly random reasons. This game clearly wasn't ready for release, and I think Sony had a hand in pushing it out early.
Posted this in a locked thread about NMS:
Still having a blast 25 hours (or so) in and havent done any of the "story" stuff...
But I'm wrong. No, Ill admit it, Im happy Im able to enjoy this game but Im kind of wrong for doing so. I dont think its a bad game, just did not live up to promises and expectations, and in many ways the devs mislead the audience to believe that features were there that aren't, and Sean hasn't responded to the public apologizing or clarifying, which is what perturbs me the most.
I wont apologize for liking the game, but I have to say people are right to be pissed. Its pretty clear they did lie (deceive). Even if everything they had promised had been in the game, it still would have been lacking.
Its such a shame because Sean was I guy I wanted to cheer for, and Hello Games I wanted to succeed. But, not like this. This is success at the expense of true artistic pursuit. I dont know whether or not this is wholly political, or a cash grab, or they were just burnt out developing the game, but its pretty clear that it needed more time and absolutely needed to implement everything they talked about.
As it stands, Im probably going to put a few more hours in, get to the center, and get a badass ship and call it quits. I think thats pretty good for a game so im pretty satisfied.
Still having a blast 25 hours (or so) in and havent done any of the "story" stuff...
But I'm wrong. No, Ill admit it, Im happy Im able to enjoy this game but Im kind of wrong for doing so. I dont think its a bad game, just did not live up to promises and expectations, and in many ways the devs mislead the audience to believe that features were there that aren't, and Sean hasn't responded to the public apologizing or clarifying, which is what perturbs me the most.
I wont apologize for liking the game, but I have to say people are right to be pissed. Its pretty clear they did lie (deceive). Even if everything they had promised had been in the game, it still would have been lacking.
Its such a shame because Sean was I guy I wanted to cheer for, and Hello Games I wanted to succeed. But, not like this. This is success at the expense of true artistic pursuit. I dont know whether or not this is wholly political, or a cash grab, or they were just burnt out developing the game, but its pretty clear that it needed more time and absolutely needed to implement everything they talked about.
As it stands, Im probably going to put a few more hours in, get to the center, and get a badass ship and call it quits. I think thats pretty good for a game so im pretty satisfied.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, the in atmosphere flight is really the biggest disappointment for me. I really hope it gets retooled in the future, because it could potentially be an incredible amount of fun
At least have a toggle or something, so you can have the safe flying we have now or just the ability to nose dive into the ground. I'll repair the ship, just give me the opportunity to break it
That's not true.
Alebrije
Member
Fine let me correct this. Review copies were not given before the launch day to allow for a review to be posted before the game launched for people to read and find out about the game such that they had the "critical impressions" that the quote I was responding to.
Question:
Do you have, even the slightest understanding of the actual point of this thread, and the list, and the post.
Do you? Or have you convinced yourself this is one giant smear campaign by "haters"?
Think about it for a second.
People, WHO OWN AND ARE PLAYING THE GAME, are compiling a list of features that were either promised/mentioned/alluded to by either the marketing or by Sean himself.
Not random haters who don't like it because they want to see the studio die, or mad that it got so much hype.
The actual paying customers. Who are now wondering where all the features they had heard and seen demostrated to them went.
This isn't "Oh why can't this game be more like "random thing here the developer never mentioned".
It's more "Hey, where the fuck is the passive multiplayer? Whatever happened to sand planets? What happened to the faction system?" Etc. Things advertised, some by Sean himself. And they're not here. And no one in any position of authority is giving a straight answer. Or even any answer.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Meanings aren't clear-cut I'm afraid. If there's one thing a degree in linguistics teaches you, it's that language is complex, multifaceted and amorphous. Despite society's attempts to codify it, it remains elusive and rarely clear-cut - especially in informal discussions like this.
If is has water in it, if it's a winding groove in the land, and it has fish, you can call it a river if you want. It's the individual's prerogative. A lot of people don't associate 'current' with river.
Mm-hmm.
This seems to be pretty compelling. The amazing thing is that Sean Murray has managed to simultaneously acknowledge and disregard the complaints in one of his tweets.
ScientificPizza
Banned
that's so pedantic though. It's a video game, for all intents and purposes that's a river. You can't expect someone to introduce a complex system to a body of water just to meet a dictionary definition
Still not true I'm afraid.
But you're right that they didn't give enough time for reviewers to gather solid impressions.
Regardless - launch-day reviews aren't a prerequisite. Why not just wait until reviews have landed? You don't need to get the game day one or week one.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Lol It's a videogame with tasks and description that can be written under one page or less. It's not a river.
Really? There were review copies given before the release day? I did not hear of this
ScientificPizza
Banned
That's not a current, it's an object moving to fill a spaceFor a simulation game no.
Mad Season
Banned
if you have to post what you did, then i dont think you can say the game was worth it
Yeah there were, but it was very close to release date. Like a couple of days I think.
Minecraft rivers do have currents though.
I dont understand what you are saying?
If only there were some means to communicate with fans and manage expectations prior to release. If only the same means existed to communicate with fans post-release. If only.
Um, what videogames can't you describe/task-list within one page?
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I just checked and they totally do.
But still, one game having something is not a good reason for all games to have something. Especially not one as old and iterated upon as Minecraft
tearsintherain
Member
I'm kinda surprised at how simple the platinum trophy seems to be, I've gotten like 3/4ths of the trophies towards it already and have maybe played 15 hours so far. I've enjoyed the game for what it is, just a fly around as an explorer doing random shit taking care of my ship and suit with no real goals in mind. Still, glad i bought it physically on console since I will definitely be trading it in when I am done.
You do constantly get a lot of "man... it would be so cool if the game did THIS other thing right here" in pretty much every aspect of the game, like I just thought about how awesome it would be just being able to mine stuff in space from asteroids from your ship without ever having to make planetfall, and that warping your body eventually ala Belters from The Expanse. Then real space stations, real aliens, etc. Oh well, someday...
You do constantly get a lot of "man... it would be so cool if the game did THIS other thing right here" in pretty much every aspect of the game, like I just thought about how awesome it would be just being able to mine stuff in space from asteroids from your ship without ever having to make planetfall, and that warping your body eventually ala Belters from The Expanse. Then real space stations, real aliens, etc. Oh well, someday...
UncleSporky
Member
Whatever you want to call it I don't think NMS has that either.
FWIW most of the features mentioned in the list are quality of life features, not features core to the experience. The broadest descriptions of the game provided by Murray are almost exactly how the game turned out.
It's pretty flawed, but it's very close to the broad vision outlined.
Did they have currents at launch?
ScientificPizza
Banned
What? Tasks and descriptions?
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Couldn't Sean and his team just patch all those missing features in; along with all-new content and wishlist-features?
Wouldn't that make everyone perfectly happy?
Wouldn't that make everyone perfectly happy?
Conkerkid11
Member
It's just a joke about how everything they showed at these events was scripted even though they said it wasn't.
Remnants of these demos still exist in the final build of the game.
The game was already delayed two months. To promise that the game might be finished a year or two from now won't make much of a difference in the present, especially considering the game's price of $60. If the game's finally finished a long time from now when it costs $1 in a Humble Bundle, I don't think people who bought it at launch are going to be all that happy.
Essentially the game is an early access title being sold for 3x as much as most early access titles.
I went into this game playing it for 20+ hours thinking that getting to the center of the universe would actually mean something and be worthwhile. Because as far as objectives go, that's the only objective you've really got the entire game.
Spoiler alert:
it's not worth it
This is a huge issue I have with all of the people suggesting they'll just keep patching a bunch of content in over time.
The day 1 patch for the game seemed like a bigger deal than it actually was, and it required people to start from scratch if they wanted to experience any of the patched content.
If we expect orbits, new buildings, factions, improved AI, etc... later down the line, how likely is it that they can actually patch this content in without it messing up our game saves and requiring us to start over. Any time Minecraft changes something in its procedural generation and adds new content, everybody has to start over from scratch, otherwise the previously used seed can't generate the new content without removing player-created content.
I know that after the first patch they said they wouldn't be resorting to deleting player saves. But how likely is it that they can make any major changes to the game if this is the case?
Yeah, I've definitely had this. A lot of 'it would be cool if I could do this' moments. Too many, TBH.
I think there's a solid chance this will happen.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I actually wonder if it does? The next body of water I see I'll shoot some of the coast with the launcher and see if the water moves to fill it
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
If only game development was that easy...
On 1.0, certainly.
It is a current. If you are standing in it it pushes you in a direction that is showed case in the texture scrolling. It also moves and fills in a space. It might be primitive looking, but it behaves like water should. At least in principle.
Curious to see what happens to that body of water in NMS. If you dig around it will it fill in that space? Does it have current?