Saucycarpdog
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Has anybody found any planet similar to the one they showed off in the 2014 E3 demo? The one with the lush flora and a bunch of dinosaurs.
I'm curious if it exists.
I'm curious if it exists.
Reddit Compiles Definitive List of All NMS Missing Features/False Marketing +Sources
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has anyone found this trader?
They are saving it for No Man's Sky 2: The Movie.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
It exists as a file folder in the game code titled e3 demo
IDontBeatGames
Member
I found lush planets, dinosaurs. The small bugs flying around. But I haven't seen all the elements together like in that trailer. The likelyhood of such a planet being there in the current game is very high but no doubt ultra rare
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
They cannot destroy the environment like that, animals clip through trees. The animal level of AI shown in that demo is not present.
Protip for any future game developer make your game so big that no-one can fact check everything you said was in game.
I haven't travelled the entire planet earth but I have seen enough of it that I am confident enough to say no giant ant people exist that control the world sugar supply.
Alebrije
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Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Mann I hate when developers released such a lying trailer to pump up their games like that :/
"I am gonna pick a random planet... Don't know what will happen there!" And then we have an E3 folder.
Bunch of goddamn liars :/
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
It is in this thread all the stuff they lied about, I don't feel like rehashing it. If you think that is an acceptable practice in an industry so hard to get refunds of open products..... Ok then
I saw that trailer then went on a media blackout of the game. I do not feel the game i bought is that. I did not purchase this game on what it could with future updates, that may never come.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
What the hell are you even talking about?
I said I hate it when developers lying to gamers by releasing that kind of trailers and also I hate it when Sean flat out lying saying his E3 was "randomly picked" when in truth there's an E3 folder there.
And why are you saying that I said the complete opposite to what I'm saying?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
This is actually kind of an interesting and humorous point to consider.
Arguably, if the game was more filled with content, more interesting mechanics and generally more shit to do (huehuehue), people might complain but I don't think the backlash would be like it is. What's been going on is almost entirely a product of it feeling like an empty Early Acces title. Where other games that are hyped up, mislead consumers and later disappoint (say like the oft-maligned Fallout titles) are still filled with hours and hours of shit to be done.
This gets at what I've been trying to say:
http://ungaming.tumblr.com/post/149102772520/i-tweeted-a-link-to-this-article-on-the-bus-about
http://ungaming.tumblr.com/post/149102772520/i-tweeted-a-link-to-this-article-on-the-bus-about
BUT IT'S NOT ANGRY ENOUGH AND DOESN'T CALL OUT MURRAYNEUX AS A LIAR TO THE GAME COMMUNITY AND PROMISE-BREAKER.
I completely agree with that post.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
This really has worked in their favour - even down to the notion of stuff like landscapes getting 'wilder' as you get closer to the centre of the galaxy. Such a nebulous promise.
Just about every play thru on stage is "staged"
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well he flat out lied. I really dislike that.
He lied about almost everything.
I don't think I know of any developer that has gone to this level of disingenuous information so publically and openly.
This is above molyneux levels. The only thing is that molyneux is a serial liar.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Sorry misunderstood your post. Can you blame me though this thread is full of people making excuses for Hello GamesWhat the hell are you even talking about?
I said I hate it when developers lying to gamers by releasing that kind of trailers and also I hate it when Sean flat out lying saying his E3 was "randomly picked" when in truth there's an E3 folder there.
And why are you saying that I said the complete opposite to what I'm saying?
This needs to be the first post in all threads like these.
sturgboski
Member
Any chance that by the time I start playing this game, these things will be patched in for free? I mean a lot of what is in the post is the exact reason I wanted/bought the game.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Could already be there just super rare..
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
Considering the fact that he even went on to Colbert show and straight lied to Colbert's face about the whole missing features in the game with a smile, I would say Sean Murray is a pathological liar.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I am now comfortably putting him and the company he represents in my a-bunch-of-liars folder and will put every and any product he and/or his company releases in the future at the furthest, 18 quintillion planets away from my money. His lies just put a really bad taste in my mouth.
No worries
"All marketing is bad anyway" is a very poor excuse to defend marketing. If your argument for defending something that's wrong is saying "well everyone else does it too", then you've already lost. And yes, pre-order culture is bad. But it still doesn't excuse Murray from misleading/lying/whatever you wanna call it.
The key mistake with this post is that it assumed the only way one can be disappointed is if they overhyped themselves on the game and were disappointed based on things that were never promised. That's simply not the case. People are disappointed because of things that were promised, yet still aren't in the game. Yes, games change, but unless marketing changes to reflect that, customers can not know this. Developers need to come clear about features that didn't make the cut instead of going radio silent like Sean Murray. Dude used to tweet like 10+ times a day, he has barely tweeted 10 times since the game's release.
It's telling that this focuses solely on the multiplayer and not any of the numerous features that were cut from the game. It comes off as if the author is unaware of these promises that were not kept.
Another flawed argument for "well then just don't preorder" is that it assumes the press can be trusted to give people a good idea about the game and its content, but we see almost none of the reviews highlight the cut features. Discovering those was a community effort. Reviewers are usually out of their depth when it comes to details like that. So countering deceitful marketing ends up being the onus of the players, yet they can't do this without buying the game.
Krappadizzle
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No, because all that article does is place blame on the consumer and the media. While also excusing Hello Games by saying they never "deliberately lied or misled anyone." Okay then, explain the multiplayer, explain the governance of rotation amongst all the other missing things. Did they intend to lie? Maybe not, but they still did. Doesn't matter how you try to coat it. It completely tries to excuse Hello Games for them being purposefully obtuse and coy, which is just plain ol' bullshit. Games change during development, people know that. It's when things change and the developer says nothing while still letting people believe things they said weeks/months/years ago are still true is when it's an issue. It is the onus of the developer/publisher to let the public know that the game they said they were making isn't the case anymore. It's no ones fault but the developer/publisher and to place blame on the consumer is stupid. And in this case Hello Games was both the developer and the publisher. I can only understand what they tell me. If they tell me something and then change their mind and don't tell me, how is that my fault? To try and excuse them is just ridiculous and I just don't understand the reasoning or logic behind people who do and if this is what you are trying to say, maybe you should re-evaluate what people are actually upset about.
This is a good article.
RPS is discussing this issue now, with a link to the Reddit thread
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/08/17/broken-promises-of-no-mans-sky/
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/08/17/broken-promises-of-no-mans-sky/
Would all this have been given more of a pass if the footage shown had a tagline of something like "Pre-alpha footage, may not represent final product"? Seems that a lot of people are taking that kind of footage and saying "we were promised this!".
Not to say Murray didn't make verbal promises of things that didn't wind up appearing in NMS, but I'm not seeing many instances of him forthrightly confirming features that are 100% not in the game (and not just potentially undiscovered).
Not to say Murray didn't make verbal promises of things that didn't wind up appearing in NMS, but I'm not seeing many instances of him forthrightly confirming features that are 100% not in the game (and not just potentially undiscovered).
TheSpoiler
Member
There are a few videos, lists, and posts here that have gone into excruciating detail on the lack of clarity HG and Murray have shown, all from the latter's mouth. A bunch of those aren't things that can be discovered later on down the line, but simply don't exists because they aren't there.
People will absolutely take footage of a game and think that the game will come out that way. As they should. The developer displays a bunch of footage saying, "this is our game", and how are we to know any different unless they tell us differently? Even then, it's not difficult for a developer to mention that a thing has changed so that people aren't uninformed when they go in.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
If you don't read that RPS article, at least watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvAwB7ogkik
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Possibly, but the fact is we got the opposite of that. He's made claims about the game and its scope that literally aren't true, even the product page on Steam still uses that old 2014 trailer. Even earlier this year he was peddling some embellished crap. It's misleading, deceptive, poor form and not cool at all.
He talked this game up to no end then went silent about features that were removed/possibly never existed/changed. He's a bullshit artist. He and Sony are both responsible for peddling this fake perception of the game to people.
That's a good response, and echoes my own feelings.
Insane Metal
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ElectricKaibutsu
Member
"All the things you think I'm not understanding about this game, I understood the second it was announced."
Jones is just a pro among pros.
Jones is just a pro among pros.
Why? This op-ed has flaws all over the place.
"Firstly: games change during development."
Sure, but it's not like the entire game design changes in the last week. They could easily have told everyone in advance, hey multiplayer isn't working yet. There are no star systems.
"Secondly: marketers inflate the truth and tell untruths and stay conveniently quiet about less sexy truths. We know this. When videogames arent involved, were pretty good at being critical about this. When Apple says I can buy a new Macbook from $500 I know that the $500 model is going to be the most bare-bones, smallest, shittiest model and most of the models will be $2000. Because that is how marketing works. There are pro-consumer regulations in place to prevent marketers telling outright lies, sure. That is good. That doesnt mean consumers dont still need to be critical and cynical in how they interpret the information marketers say to them."
Consumers can be critical and cynical and still be lied to. In other words, NMS is a case where said pro-consumer regulations would likely be enacted (through a class action lawsuit), if it wasn't so hard to identify who saw and who did not see the false marketing. Still might happen anyways.
Heck this quote tells you everything you need to know about the article in question:
"I also think No Mans Sky is preeeeetty much exactly what Hello Games said it would be (with the exception of never explicitly shutting down the multiplayer hype) "
What in the world does the author mean by "shutting down the idea of multiplayer". It's not like some nebulous fan concept that was never commented on. The head developer of the game said multiple times that yes, you could.
"How interesting that we consider it fraud that Sean Murray never really shut down the idea of the game being multiplayer in pre-release interviews and stuff, despite the fact that on the screen on PSN where you buy the game, the screen with the information about the game you are about to buy, it says single player. There is a broader discussion here about what information around a game we consider descriptive, or what information we consider marketing."
Yes, how interesting it is that people sometimes miss the fine print of the digital storefront. It's especially interesting for those players who bought the physical edition, that they didn't check that bullet point first.
Marty Chinn
Member
The one problem I have is the notion that developers need to comb through years of interviews to write up a press release of everything that changed since they said it before they release the game. It's unreasonable.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Complete and total load of horseshit.
This line in particular is hilarious:
If this chump did even an ounce of research, he might understand that people consider it fraud because there are boxes that clearly state multiplayer interactivity is in. And in some cases, those have been hastily covered with some shitty sticker.
It says magnitudes about the team when the boxes were printed with different information than what's in the game.
All of this is further exacerbated by the issue that the game is still being marketed on the digital storefronts he mentions with old footage from old builds dating back to E3 2014.
Absolutely.
The crux of that matter again.
I don't understand this shift to the consumer. It's silly.
DigitalScrap
Member
I really don't get this whole internet outrage culture thing that seems to be so prevalent these days.
Am I disappointed with the state that the game was released in? Sure. But I don't understand the almost mob like crusade this is taking on.
All this means is that I will wait on the next game released by Hello Games - wait until it has been released and see what state it is in. Just as I do with several other developers/publishers that didn't deliver what they suggested they would.
That said, I'm still enjoying the game, even though it is but a fraction of what it was originally touted to be/could have been.
Am I disappointed with the state that the game was released in? Sure. But I don't understand the almost mob like crusade this is taking on.
All this means is that I will wait on the next game released by Hello Games - wait until it has been released and see what state it is in. Just as I do with several other developers/publishers that didn't deliver what they suggested they would.
That said, I'm still enjoying the game, even though it is but a fraction of what it was originally touted to be/could have been.
Then get someone on the team to handle just that, you know a PR manager.
Marty Chinn
Member
It's unreasonable for a PR person to do it too. The whole concept is unreasonable.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Random driveby posters keep saying this shit without any proof. It seems like an unsubtle attempt to shut down the discussions we're having about marketing and developer transparency.
Just stop.
Then what, devs can talk about any and everything without need to explain when things change? Or do you have an actual solution?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
To be fair, most games don't have the devs making up outlandish bullshit to sell it that would need to be mopped up by a PR agent.
I don't believe this is excusable, if I were to imagine the scenario, Sean Murray probably didn't program the game, he's probably the idea guy who tells the media what he thinks his game is like, and then his programmers all struggle to make up for his claims.
Somehow I don't believe he had actually any idea what's going on in his game. If he did, he would probably not say such outrageous things that does not even resemble the game he's making.
I kind of saw this coming the moment "procedural generation" is mentioned. As a game developer I'm sure many of us had experimented this approach before and found that it just doesn't work in practice. If not what is the game design team for?
Procedural generation alone will not make a fun game. Period.
And those that did reality checking got haunted by angry fans. And the developer is allowed to release a product that does not resemble what he claimed to be.
Somehow I don't believe he had actually any idea what's going on in his game. If he did, he would probably not say such outrageous things that does not even resemble the game he's making.
I kind of saw this coming the moment "procedural generation" is mentioned. As a game developer I'm sure many of us had experimented this approach before and found that it just doesn't work in practice. If not what is the game design team for?
Procedural generation alone will not make a fun game. Period.
And those that did reality checking got haunted by angry fans. And the developer is allowed to release a product that does not resemble what he claimed to be.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Who doesn't understand that?
It'd be great if people could stop hopping into a 37 page conversation and making cockamamie posts.
DigitalScrap
Member
I need proof that I think things are being blown out of proportion? It's my opinion.
Like I said, I'm disappointed in the state it was released in - especially the crashing issue - I can't believe they let that get past QC. I'm one of the idiots that had initially double dipped and bought it both on PS4 and Steam. I refunded my steam purchase after playing it for only 27 minutes. The game runs like shit on PC.
It's just weird watching just how bent out of shape some people are about it. That's just my opinion. Maybe I just don't get completely bent out of shape about things. Those who want to rage, feel free to rage. I'm sure there will be several lawsuits coming (I've already read about one supposed suit that is coming).
I just said that I personally don't get it. That's all.
TheSpoiler
Member
People apparently don't read the thread either.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
How are things being blown out of a proportion. Misleading marketing isn't something worth documenting, investigating and trying to stop?
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