The military police doesn't have anything to do with this investigation, which is being done by the feds.
Ryan Lochte, 32 yo drunk "kid", pees in public, tried to bribe a dude, guns(?!?)
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The military police doesn't have anything to do with this investigation, which is being done by the feds.
Jag
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According to USA today
So that's a lot of law enforcement. Local and international. Not surprised the cops felt pressure to follow up.
Yep. Feds are also regarded as a great police in Brazil. But i know it's easy to mix everyone in a pile as "police", even though Brazil got lots of different polices for different means. The confrontational one is the military one. And there are no connection between the two.
Yes?
I'm not disagreeing with you.
I just find it amusing how some people are yelling "victim blaming" when there is enough evidence to at least investigate things further.
Some people are acting like those athletes can't even be questioned.
And just to be clear, I do believe the brazilian authorities are not handling this well.
Calamari41
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That's the thing, though, and why I was asking about Brazilian law earlier. In the US, what they did would absolutely not justify further questioning, especially to the extent of removing them from the tarmac as they're on the way out. If they didn't file a police report on the incident, there's nothing to seize them over.
If they filed a false police report it's a slightly different story (and still a big overreaction), but I don't think anybody has shown that they actually did that. They just mentioned to the media that they were mugged. If that's a lie, which it could be, it's embarrassing but not illegal. At least according to the law that most of us are used to. If it's illegal to do that in Brazil, then, well, hoo boy I guess.
andythinkpad
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Wait, so normal people get mugged in Rio daily and it doesn't make Rio look bad but Olympic athlete get Rio without getting hurt make Rio look bad. How does the Olympic athlete make Rio look worse than they already are? What kind of logic is that? Brazilian telenovela soap logic?
The police questioned two of them, their stories didn't match. Their passports weren't seized over what they told the media, but over what they told the police.
Calamari41
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I can tell the police in America that a unicorn mugged me, the lie is not illegal until I file it with them.
If it's different in Brazil, well, that's something I've been trying to find out. But here, it's all about filing the report and/or indicating that you're pressing charges. The cops here can even witness a crime (at a certain level) and they won't arrest the perp if the victim doesn't want to press charges. So the fact that the Brazilian police would detain some guys who clearly didn't want the police involved seems crazy to me.
Did they want the police involved? Did they file charges? I don't know, but nobody has shown that they have.
...I meant before they were arrested.
This story happened days ago, but all you've heard is Lochte's story in his words. Nobody interviewed the other swimmers?
I feel pretty comfortable answering a hasty generalization with another fallacy. Don't take this too seriously.
I don't think they filled a report, that's why I said the police and the judiciary aren't handling this well. The athletes aren't going to change their version. There is no reason to hold then here.
Authorities should let the guys go and focus on finding the cab driver. It really shouldn't be that hard to find the guy.
Not that typical, the robbers here aren't that nice :/
As a Latin American living in Latin America, trust me, if you are getting robbed at gunpoint you are not keeping anything valuable. Especially not your cellphone.
That's not how Brazilian law works, you don't have to specifically file a report. If you got an officer to investigate your unicorn and they find out those don't exist then you're up for criminal charges (1 to 6 months in jail or a fine). Swatting is illegal for example.
StarCreator
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Local news covering this because one of the detained swimmers is from Rockville or something. They're stating the swimmers detained by the police never filed a police report. How do you hold someone for a false police report when they're not the ones who spoke to media and no report exists?
Calamari41
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Interesting, thank you for answering my questions. Seems like a policy that's ripe for abuse.
Trojita
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The reason the Judge gives is even less reliable than some internet psychoanalysis I've seen on the internet.
Could have been a false claim, but you are on the verge of Streisanding this whole thing by confiscating the passports and disallowing travel out of your country on iffy grounds.
Could have been a false claim, but you are on the verge of Streisanding this whole thing by confiscating the passports and disallowing travel out of your country on iffy grounds.
The article that the judge is using to hold then is deliberately vague and ambiguous. Depending on one's interpretation publicly reporting a false crime can be a felony here (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunicação_falsa_de_crime_ou_contravenção).
You don't even need to file a false police report to be prosecuted.
It's stupid I know. We have laws for everything here even the most mundane stuff. Thing is, most laws aren't really enforced unless it's convenient for someone in power.
Personally I think the judge and the DA just wants their fifteen minutes.
MaulerX
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...eportedly-held-gunpoint-rio-article-1.2755690
So what is Brazil going to say about this one? Or is every Olympic athlete a liar?
So what is Brazil going to say about this one? Or is every Olympic athlete a liar?
Calamari41
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Pretty sure the Rothschilds are behind this.
Please tell me that false reporting thing isn't used to punish rape victims that aren't able to get convictions on their rapists
It's mostly used to punish pranks to local authorities. Swatting may be something new in the US, but in Brazil calling 911 or the firefighters and making false reports was (and probably still is) really common.
Most times people wouldn't do this to a specific someone. They would just report a fire and watch the firetrucks arrive in a neighborhood to find nothing.
Nah...probably just Lochte and co.
I think the whole victim having to press charges system is more ripe for abuse, personally (specially in the case of abuse victims). The "keep the government off my lawn" mentality is pretty evident there and I don't think that's how it works in most other countries, but I could be wrong.
Ah, an athlete that immediately reported the crime to his team and was evidently shook by it?
You think that's the same as the athlete who didn't report being robbed at gunpoint to his team, was not at all affected by it, claimed to have used a taxi that doesn't exist, told conflicting tales about it, and was robbed by criminals interested only in money, not expensive watches, phones or shoes? An athlete that kept his girlfriend waiting for him all night while he was out partying with his teammates and just happened to have a perfect excuse to tell her, and only her, and not his team or the US security agents in Rio?
Personally I don't think every Olympic athlete is a liar, just some of them. I'm hoping justice is served either way.
People in this thread are being frankly biased to their side. Crimes around wasting Police time exist globally. Is the judge setting an example here and beijg quite aggressive? Yes. But one has already ditched the country when he saw the wind blowing and this was a serious claim. Gunpoint robbery dresses as police.
It sounds terrible but I can only think the athletes wanted some sort of alibi. Not necessarily for a crime but for something they've done during those hours. Which tbh should interest the police as right now their motivation seems confused if this is a false claim.
It sounds terrible but I can only think the athletes wanted some sort of alibi. Not necessarily for a crime but for something they've done during those hours. Which tbh should interest the police as right now their motivation seems confused if this is a false claim.
This is cracking me the fuck up. Well done.
Grizzlyjin
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I'm starting to think they got their knobs polished, came up with a cover story to tell their girls, but didn't expect it to get to the media.
andythinkpad
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They are guilty of making Brazil look bad.
That explanation feels right for the situation. If there really was a robbery, one of the people robbed was certain to have voiced the problem on social media. The fact that the news spread to the media while they were trying to keep quiet seems suspicious. I don't think the swimmers were trying to do anything serious - they were just making up an excuse for their loved ones, but someone who heard the story blabbed to the media.
They created an international incident, and governments aren't known for looking kindly on that kind of thing.
No, they may be guilty of breaking Brazilian law. The only ones guilty of making us look bad are the Germans, and we're not arresting them for it.
andythinkpad
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Even if we pretend for 3 minutes that all your speculation are true, I still think it's extremely rude for the Brazilian authorities to expose the coverup white lies of a few athletes who just wanted to have some pussy on the down low.
How can they make Brazil look bad or worse when there are actual crimes that happened prior to this incident? It's very vindictive.
Actually being vindictive is very consistent with the Brazilians super loud booing culture now that I think about it.
Brazil's crime problems are very real. The LAST thing they need is to have high profile Olympians making up lies to cover up their little stroll through Rio's red light district.
cookie-monster
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I hope they go to jail
Ninja Scooter
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Wow, you're out of this world. Brazilian authorities are just supposed to ignore and not investigate possible crimes now, just so they don't dare make American athletes look bad? Haha.
It's not vindictive at all. Most criminals in Rio are scared to death of having anything to do with an Olympic athlete because they know any occurrence involving them will be thoroughly investigated. Tough luck for the partying guys.
This is the most Ryan Lochte quote possible.
Lol you have to be so naive to believe this guy.
Lionel Richie
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This is a weird ass fallacy, Brazil has some real violence related issues so that other athlete's history is likely true. The Lochte one sounds like bullshit from miles away.
I don't get Lochte's motivation for making something up, but he's a dumb ass. Any idea that he was having sex with hookers so he has to cover it up is odd, because there was no one coming forward with a story that he was out partying with hookers. Also, I'm not sure partying with hookers really hurts Lochte's image.
Though, if you ever watched his reality show, that interview is not someone making a story up on the spot so much as how dumb he normally sounds.
That said, I don't understand why the Brazilian government is going hole hog on a fake story to NBC, and a few police reports over a robbery that may or may not have happened. Not to say it isn't a crime, but it seems a hell of a jump to yank passports 3-4 days into a potential investigation when whatever the hell they did doesn't exactly rise to the level of detaining foreign citizens.
If anything, this would be a deport to country, visa revoked crime if they did make something up.
Smells like the Brazilians trying to save face over all else based on a judge's reading of a non-conclusive security camera video. Like, we get it. Your president and prior president stole a shitload of money, athletes are competing in shit water, you can't keep a pool from turning green, none of your infrastructure is finished, you have a failing economy and a crime wave that led you to close the beaches after dark instead of policing your country.. and you are going to yank two swimming bros off a plane because they *might* not have been robbed like they said they were?
Though, if you ever watched his reality show, that interview is not someone making a story up on the spot so much as how dumb he normally sounds.
That said, I don't understand why the Brazilian government is going hole hog on a fake story to NBC, and a few police reports over a robbery that may or may not have happened. Not to say it isn't a crime, but it seems a hell of a jump to yank passports 3-4 days into a potential investigation when whatever the hell they did doesn't exactly rise to the level of detaining foreign citizens.
If anything, this would be a deport to country, visa revoked crime if they did make something up.
Smells like the Brazilians trying to save face over all else based on a judge's reading of a non-conclusive security camera video. Like, we get it. Your president and prior president stole a shitload of money, athletes are competing in shit water, you can't keep a pool from turning green, none of your infrastructure is finished, you have a failing economy and a crime wave that led you to close the beaches after dark instead of policing your country.. and you are going to yank two swimming bros off a plane because they *might* not have been robbed like they said they were?
andythinkpad
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Dude just ignore that if you don't believe their robbery story. Spending manpower to "catch" the swimmers instead of catching the real criminals will only make you look worse.
Hahaha what explanation do you have for the other British athlete getting robbed 2 days later?
No problem at all in detaining them for clarifying their positions. It is being reported that they chose to be silent. This is going places.
FYI: the Impeachment process has nothing to do with the president stealing money. Its about misusing public funds and disregarding laws about a certain financial responsibility regarding the federal budget.
FYI: the Impeachment process has nothing to do with the president stealing money. Its about misusing public funds and disregarding laws about a certain financial responsibility regarding the federal budget.
Supposedly he was lying to his girlfriend.
You're entirely wrong. For example, Hassan Saada is an Olympic athlete who raped a woman in Brazil. He was arrested and will be tried in Brazil, and will serve a sentence here if convicted. Only then will he be deported. You don't go to a foreign country, commit a crime and then literally get away with it, fortunately.
Ah, of course. Look how fucked up Brazil is, how can they even deem themselves worthy to investigate the great Ryan Lochte?
Well, StoOgE, it turns out that even with a green pool and a corrupt president, the Brazilian Federal Police would still very much like to catch criminals who rob Olympic athletes at gunpoint. And so they investigate those crimes. And when the investigation of that "crime" reveals that it was in fact an athlete from the super powerful, rich, free, heavenly safe and beautiful, best country in the world, - 'MURICA, anyway, it was an American who committed a crime, an entirely different crime; when that turns out to be the case, our Feds unfortunately can't just pretend nothing ever happened. It's a very unfortunate chain of events, that I'm sure everyone would have liked to avoid, but guess what: when dumb people do dumb things, bad things happen to them.
CraigerGamer
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Probably turns out the judge in Brazil graduated from Florida State.
You didn't just compare RAPE to maybe making a false statement did you? Because that is just fucking silly.
Yes, of course if you are accused of RAPE you don't get fucking deported. But the cost of investigating what is at most a misdemeanor is really not worth the effort, when you can say leave and never come back.
Only reason this is even being pursued this vigorously is the media attention.
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