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New York Post: Woman goes off on perv fondling himself on subway
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evil solrac v3.0
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On the floor between your legs.
What sexual tension? It's full of piss shit and bedbugs. and angry, hungry tired people who are going to or coming back from work or partying.
Only people who are full of sexual tension on public transportation are perverts or obnoxious teenagers or immature people who don't have the decency to wait till eat get home.
It's common, I don't know where you live but it's a big problem in NYC.
meltingparappa
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Can't really overstate this, if someone isn't from a large city with public transit.
You see a lot of things on the NYC subway, but it's usually the sad mental illness variety instead of the cathartic "this person was in sound mind and state, doing something wrong" kind. My brief time taking the BART is San Francisco almost always had someone homeless, possibly coming down from something, needing extra generally harmless personal space.
Unless it involves physical safety, everyone generally just avoids eye contact and the day goes on.
mercenar1e
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a lot more happens in the platforms and trains that are scarier than someone wanking.
This guy could easily suffer from some mental disability. He could be autistic and not know how to deal with the confrontation and be completely innocent. He could have done it but have a mental age of an 8 year old and not be able to control himself or something.
Whatever the case let's hope he doesn't commit suicide, whether we think he's a creep or not. If I had this much publicity about this I'd pretty much jump over my balcony right now (12 floors up).
On a crowded tube or train I've definitely put my bag on my lap many times before, hands around the bag, not under it though, but now I'm cringing thinking back if anyone else thought I was a creep at the time. Low self esteem and constantly doubting yourself tends to do that kind of thing to you. I'm awkward, and probably look creepy as fuck in close quarters situation like a rush hour tube. Don't know where to look as you're always staring at someone's chest or crotch or catching people's eyes in reflections. It's fucking awful for a socially awkward guy like me, lol.
Whatever the case let's hope he doesn't commit suicide, whether we think he's a creep or not. If I had this much publicity about this I'd pretty much jump over my balcony right now (12 floors up).
On a crowded tube or train I've definitely put my bag on my lap many times before, hands around the bag, not under it though, but now I'm cringing thinking back if anyone else thought I was a creep at the time. Low self esteem and constantly doubting yourself tends to do that kind of thing to you. I'm awkward, and probably look creepy as fuck in close quarters situation like a rush hour tube. Don't know where to look as you're always staring at someone's chest or crotch or catching people's eyes in reflections. It's fucking awful for a socially awkward guy like me, lol.
I've been getting the night bus for over 15 years, all over London, and I've never seen anything like this.
People sometimes don't like putting their bags on the floor because it's dirty. Putting your bag on your lap is absolutely normal behaviour, incredibly common, and perfectly fine.
You're being ridiculous.
PassiveObserver
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He's totally a masturbator. Not the first time caught on camera: https://youtu.be/MpH5gfVGQ3k?t=35.
Mammoth Jones
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Like I said, no one gonna flip like that if mofo wasn't jerking his meat.
Hope all the doubters will eat their crow.
Air Zombie Meat
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This thread is something else. Didn't realise so many people were worried about being mistaken for a public masturbator. Is that something that actually happens?
echoshifting
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Well well well. What a surprise.
There we have it.
But of course, we should still feel sorry for him because apparently masturbation in public means he's mentally ill. /s
Awesome. Now everyone can stop acting like the woman who scolded him was the crazy one.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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I don't think one should "eat crow" for wanting evidence instead of taking everything at face-value. I'm glad you guessed right this time.--I just like to have some proof before condemning people.
So now that's out of the way, yes the guy's actions appear to be gross and I hope he gets the help he clearly needs
There was evidence. The woman in the video witnessed the man masturbating before she yelled at him, so there was a witness to the behavior. It just wasn't evidence that most credit, (i.e. the word of a woman, I guess).
Mammoth Jones
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Would the conversation if it were your child/spouse/sibling go like this:
"I saw someone jerking off on the subway!"
"But did you, really? I need evidence."
Exactly.
tkscz
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Yes, because I don't immediately condemn people without proof. You provided proof, so I believe he was beating it. If no proof was given, I wouldn't immediately assume it was true. I'd have my doubts.
You would seriously ask your wife for proof of she came home upset that someone masturbated at her on the train?
Mammoth Jones
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Fair enough, lol. I'm too jaded to think a woman screaming on a guy would do so without being pretty damned sure dude was stroking his sausage.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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To clarify, I wanted more than a single piece of evidence. The video by itself wasn't proof. I never said she was lying, but it was possible she was mistaken.
Huh? This makes no sense, unless you believe what every stranger has to say in every video on YouTube. I know who my child/spouse/sibling is; I can ask them follow-up questions.
Air Zombie Meat
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You just have to think about probabilities. Whats more likely? A dude whacking off on a train or someone crazy losing their shit because they imagine someone is whacking off? I can't imagine the latter happens very often compared to the first.
EdibleKnife
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Apparently to some people, false accusations of public masturbation are just as common as actual cases.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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I don't know what the probabilities are and even if I did, I don't like condensing people based on them.
As one who lives in a city and rides public transit a lot, I've seen a LOT of wild reactions to all kinds of things, both warranted and not
tkscz
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I would ask if she was positive if that's what happened. For the most part I'd believe her but I'd have my doubts depending on how often she makes claims and whether they are founded or not.
I've been yelled at for things I didn't do. Now, for the most part I defend myself, but sometimes it's just not worth it because you know that person is just going to keep trying to blame you.
Mammoth Jones
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In this specific video it's pretty clear cut she's not making it up. Why would she? I'm saying there's video and I have no major concerns about her being mistaken. You typically don't flip out like that if you didn't see dick out at some point.
I've seen the same thing, it's gross. She just had good sense to record it. So did the previous person.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Why are you arguing this when I didn't suggest she was?
PassiveObserver
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Ha damn the parallels.
Someone take a blacklight to the dude's backpack.
This seems to be a question that only ever gets asked in the context of a woman accusing a man of a sexual crime. I don't mean to call you out for it, because I don't know you and maybe you seriously ask this question when presented with any issue, but generally the assumption the accuser is lying or mistaken arises when the accuser is a woman. It's subtle, but I think people continue to assume that men know what they're talking about, but women? Maybe not? So maybe she didn't see what she says she did.
Mammoth Jones
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Everyone has. But how many get mistakenly yelled at for masturbating in public? That's a pretty specific accusation.
Obviously courts can't operate without proof but don't act like folks can't have an opinion dude is fapping without dna evidence, lol. Hyperbole on my part. It's all good.
I apologize, I should have also added "or mistaken". For example I didn't get the cops on dude in Penn until I literally walked near him and saw his dick. That's when I was like "That explains the smell and aw hell naw".
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Jesus Christ...can we not talk in generalities here and stick to the specific case? Because you're right, you don't know me, and I don't like being associated with this simply because I didn't automatically condemn someone based on what wasn't rock-solid evidence
Pops Maellard
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So you need to see dick in hand to condemn someone?
What I'm struggling with here is in what context someone could be mistakenly accused of public masturbation. Presumably we can all agree that at the very least their hand must be inside their pants for an extended period of time, accompanied with a vigorous up and down motion? What else could someone be doing that could be misconstrued as masturbating? Scratching their balls as hard as possible for 30-40 seconds? Because that's almost as weird as what's being discussed in the OP.
milanbaros
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Why would any one eat crow for wanting evidence instead of just assuming guilty? I don't recall anyone saying he wasn't masterbating, only it was wrong to just assume he was because some women was shouting at him on a video.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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No, as you would have realized if you read my recent posts
I don't recall seeing any of that in the original video. All I remember seeing was an awkwardly placed backpack
Man, I thought I was being nice to you, by admitting there's a chance you're not actually sexist. But if you want to talk about the specific case, sure. You saw a video where a woman accuses a man of masturbating in public, where the man used his backpack to cover his crotch, awkwardly exited the train and chose not to deny her allegations...and you walked away thinking: "You know what, I bet it's equally likely that this woman was just mistaken about what she saw."
The evidence was pretty good. If you need "rock-solid evidence," before posting your opinions on the internet, then I suggest you quit the internet, because you'll never have anything to say except "HOLD ON GUYS." Unless, you only need "rock-solid" evidence in very specific discrete situations...
Mammoth Jones
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I trust that lady's eyes, apparently. I don't believe she'd just make that up and put it on video just cause she thought she saw a hand move.
When my coworkers came back upset after lunch one time and complained about a man flashing them I didn't say "I want evidence." I just believed them.
I'm a chump, I know.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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How very generous of you.
I never said it was equally likely, so I'm not sure why you think I did. The only thing I've argued this entire time is that I wasn't confident enough in the evidence at the time to ruin someone's life over it. Gender has nothing to do with it
Okay, I guess I'm the odd one out if I like to have more than "pretty good" evidence when it comes to potentially destroying someone's life. Thankfully, most arguments I engage in don't have such stakes on the line
karasu
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Damn, cuz. There's no question now. Autistic mind of an 8 year old? I think not!
Pops Maellard
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I'm fairly certain I've read through most of your posts, and it seemed like you were saying that you needed more than just the video, and that the woman who made said video could have been mistaken. Having been in her position more than a few times, it's pretty obvious when someone is even subtly beating one out on a subway, and it happens more frequently than most people seem to assume.
I'm not trying to vilify you here and I'm sure you're not the blatantly sexist asshole some other posters have implied, but in sexually motivated cases such as this the burden of proof is placed squarely on the perpetrator, not the victim(s). To be brutally honest, I seriously doubt there have been even a handful of situations in which someone was wrongfully accused of public masturbation.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Yes indeed, and we now have more such evidence, which doesn't involve a penis in his hand, as you stated.
Handful...I see what you did there. Seriously, I haven't looked at the statistics, just as I'm sure most of us haven't. All I was going off of in this case was what I saw in the video.
You are seriously overestimating your importance, if you think that posting your opinion of this situation on the internet is equivalent to ruining this man's life. And if you're opinion is "I'm not sure what happened," which is what it sounded like, then you must think both options were equally likely. If you think it's more likely she was telling the truth, you can say that here, without ruining his life.
In this case the confounding factor is public transit.
In America if you want to find crazy people, masturbators, false accusers, frottageurs, manspreaders - get on a bus or a train.
It definitely warps the outcomes of Occams Razor assumptions. Sometimes.
Dude Abides
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But in no way shape or form were you going to ruin someone's life.
milanbaros
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My level of required evidence to believe a friend is a lot lower than that of a random lady on the internet claiming to the whole world she saw him wanking and shouting at him. The person making the claim is a complete unknown and the sentence of a guilty verdict (global shame) is much greater. One should require more evidence.
No fucking way. What is wrong with people
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Sigh. I was arguing from a general prospective; no shit I don't think my personal opinion is likely to affect him on an individual basis.
I'm pretty sure that's not how that works. I don't know the odds; and I didn't even think about the odds. Based on what we did see, I didn't deem it enough to declare concretely--as many seemed to be--one way or the other
No, but other people seemed eager too if given the chance. And in this case, they were right. I just don't like making that leap when it seemed premature.
So, are all you posts online the equivalent of: "I'm going to need rock-solid evidence, before I express an opinion." Is that all you say, over and over again. Or are there some topics you are magically able to express an opinion on, without "rock-solid" evidence (which rarely exists).
So, you don't think it's equally likely that she was mistaken, but you still think it's really important for you to post that maybe she was mistaken? I don't get why you would be motivated to do that, if you thought it was more likely she was right.
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