Obscuritas
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Of course it isn't, they are leading the market and they will keep leading it.
PlayStation boss on PS4 Pro: our approach isn't reactive this time around
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Do you hand on heart believe that a more powerful console will turn the tide for Microsoft and create some sort of comeback?
I'd love them to, I want 3 consoles that do well, with great games. The worst thing for us all would be one console on the market.
Pai Pai Master
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Reaction to what, abysmal Xbox One global sales? Reaction to record breaking and market leading PS4 sales?
DriftingSpirit
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Did you want Pro to be on par with or better than Scorp?
artsi
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Uh, why?
Yes, releasing your product one year ahead is being complacent. Certainly not just wiping the floor with the competitor, not at all.
Like, how does that logic make any sense. If they were being reactionary they'd just sit tight and one up MS at every opportunity instead of doing their own thing (which you'll note Sony has basically done throughout this generation, essentially ignoring everything MS does and says).
Like, how does that logic make any sense. If they were being reactionary they'd just sit tight and one up MS at every opportunity instead of doing their own thing (which you'll note Sony has basically done throughout this generation, essentially ignoring everything MS does and says).
I would argue that Sony are playing the longer game, releasing a unit like this instead of a Scorpio like revision so early, so they can focus on a bigger PS4 to PS5 like upgrade later on.
MS seemed like they were most unprepared, announcing a unit a year in advance with specs they hope to take advantage of at that point, but only on paper at this point in order to take some sails out of the competition.
I think coming in early, cheaper and with this approach is a safer bet considering that globally, Sony does far better, so they can afford to essentially experiment with this kind of refresh along side their current unit.
MS is hedging their bets on the power game and will be pushing 6tflops from here till next year, even though it's only a 30% jump
TheKastorian
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What exactly is going on with "other players" in the market?
Scorpio won't be out for another year and NX... well, God knows what's going on with that.
LukasTaves
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It might actually be the case, but they are not doing a great job at showing it. Even their explanation of why they are doing the neo and how it's not the end of generations for them doesn't make sense thus far.
I'm curious what you would have designed for this year, at that price, with the same constraints (chiefly compatibility).
In terms of GPU power in the box, Pro slots in at pretty much exactly the same relative spot PS4 did in 2013 vs AMD PC parts.
OnionPowder
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Sony is crazy, I can't believe they got their Neo out and ready within 5 months of the Scorpio announcement.
Maybe the reason the Scorpio is launching in over 12 months is because they couldn't do better than 4.2 right now?
Maybe the reason the Scorpio is launching in over 12 months is because they couldn't do better than 4.2 right now?
gundamkyoukai
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Don't see how ?
Sony can easily bring out PS5 if they see Scorpio hurting there momentum.
In the next 2 to 3 years plus unlike Scorpio there messaging is rather clear on what pro is .
entremet
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How so?
They seemed humbled. Why increase the price on on gaming features when doing so--PS3--was their biggest console misstep ever?
Pai Pai Master
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I think it's legitimate. I game on PlayStation and PC every gen and while Sony exclusives are obviously gonna stay on that platform, I do tend to buy more PC multiplatform titles later in the cycle because a few years after console launch is when PC hardware upgrades have gotten more affordable and by then I've saved enough to upgrade or build a new rig.
With an option to get an upgraded PS4 at a lower cost then I would spend on a mid-gen GPU upgrade, I'm more inclined to continue playing within the PS4 ecosystem and buy more software for that platform.
I'm probably the direct target audience for this thing, I think if you haven't bought in to PS4 yet at this point its because of price and the Slim is the better value for the average player.
all their other businesses performing terribly and being propped up by Playstation, better to quickly rush out a new Playstation with the only defining feature needing a new TV purchase and a "better with our new VR business" sticker
Trogdor1123
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I wonder how long the pro will go on for, as in will it extend the generation beyond 6 years? I'm feeling like the jump is too small for me to upgrade at this time and will wait for the ps5 in 3 more years but if we're expecting this to go on for 5 more years... Well that's different.
xrnzaaas
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panic? more like "let's milk these bitches"
NoMoreTrolls
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Does the ps4 pro at least support 4k video streaming?
Kagoshima_Luke
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They are moving from the mentality of asking what consumers want and going with a "Sony knows best" attitude. Also, they aren't taking the competition as seriously.
Book it right now: if they continue on the current path, they will recreate a PS3/Xbox 360 flip in market share next gen.
Pai Pai Master
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Aceofspades
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Sony have WW market to back them up, it happened during a more difficult era (PS3) and it will continue to happen now.
Edit: also I think keeping the price low outweight the omission of UHD BR.
potatohead
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Pretty sure Cerny thought this whole thing up the night before PS Meeting yesterday, and they pretty much slapped 2 PS4s together to create the Pro.
They definitely did not plan for this at all and suddenly it blew up in their faces a day later and it's already a failure reaction.
Yup.
They definitely did not plan for this at all and suddenly it blew up in their faces a day later and it's already a failure reaction.
Yup.
Sanctuary
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Millennials are why I can't have nice things. 
Why does the OP have to "try harder", when he's not the one who created that quote? Although it should be somewhat common knowledge that it wasn't reactionary anyway since the Scorpio announcement was a lot more recent than the "Neo" was. If anything, Scorpio is reactionary, and also right now just vaporware in terms of specs.
Or at least why I have to pay another $400 for UHD playback.
Why does the OP have to "try harder", when he's not the one who created that quote? Although it should be somewhat common knowledge that it wasn't reactionary anyway since the Scorpio announcement was a lot more recent than the "Neo" was. If anything, Scorpio is reactionary, and also right now just vaporware in terms of specs.
MastaKilla
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I feel like there's a misunderstanding by OP on what "reactive" means. Very clearly they are not being reactive. If they were being reactive they would have scrapped their plans for this modest upgrade and gone after Scorpio. They are sticking to their guns.
gundamkyoukai
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It's not , physical media was not dying then .
Blu ray has not gotten any where near the sales of DVD .
And i expect UHD going to sell even less than Blu ray .
DriftingSpirit
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But all their other businesses aren't performing terribly.
Are you sure about that? Care to share your market research?
I would have thought both the pricepoint, and things like HDR for the original system were signs of a humble mentality of trying to give everyone the best bang for their buck. With virtually no competition on the premium side this year they could easily have taken a more conservative approach to their margin on the Pro model, or withheld upgrades like HDR for the standard model. But they didn't.
Pai Pai Master
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Source?
Crimson_Gold
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Where do people come up with this stuff? This is just crazy
RichiRamjag
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I seriously doubt that. People bugging out about UHD on gaf or Reddit doesn't account for much. I didn't like the presentation initially, but from everything I've read from those who tried it, it's a worthwhile upgrade and at a fair price. I'd suggest we wait to see how things play out before we say anything blew up in their face. Many people who dogged it talked about getting the slim instead. Sony is gonna make money either way.
Well they just don't need to be reactive this time around. There's nothing to be reactive about, and we don't know if/how they will react to Scorpio when the time comes.
If anything, the Pro is a reaction to consumers who might want an incremental upgrade like this one. If not, they can wait for PS5.
Btw, your OP is a bit confusing which is why many people took it as if Sony reacted to Scorpio with the Pro.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I'm not just talking about the console.
Pretty much every thing related to Xbox at this moment, from the system OS, to custom accessories, to thee Windows 10 integration, seems far more forward thinking than what Sony is doing.
I don't see the Xbox making anything near a resurgence this gen, but the groundwork is being done to hold on and entice the hardcore market in a way Sony is at best ambivalent about.
Putting it another way. Sony still seems like its in the business of selling boxes. Microsoft has moved to the business of gaining and retaining users.
I think the fact that UHD discs are not supported is an indication that we can expect another hardware refresh in 2 - 3 years. Sony is timing the market appropriately. There aren't a lot of consumers for UHD disc-based content. If UHD blows up over the next year, then they'll consider it for the next iteration. Or not!
UHD disc support does nothing for games, where you must support all existing consoles. I doubt this decision will cede significant market share to Xbox.
UHD disc support does nothing for games, where you must support all existing consoles. I doubt this decision will cede significant market share to Xbox.
I was hoping it would at least be on par or close. Its not just that though. Why UHD Bluray? Don't get that one at all. As someone who currently doesn't own a PS4. I was looking to jump all in with PSVR and Neo this holiday. I even can excuse the 4.2TF or whatever, but no UHD bluray bothers me. Its like they are cost cutting on the highend model. What gives.
Lol, no.
Yep.
dcx4610
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When has Sony ever been conservative? They were always cutting edge and pushing new tech and sometimes before it was ready. I think no UHD drive is Sony simply cutting costs to continue a profit on the Pro. Sony is still in rough shape and they are relying on the PlayStation to make a profit.
If this is the new Sony, I'm out. I like companies that take risks and push new technology. I was surprised and pleased with Microsoft going with UHD on the One S and it looks like Scorpio will blow the Pro away. What a midgen role reversal.
If this is the new Sony, I'm out. I like companies that take risks and push new technology. I was surprised and pleased with Microsoft going with UHD on the One S and it looks like Scorpio will blow the Pro away. What a midgen role reversal.
BRocknRolla
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Based on what? What evidence at all suggests panic here?
How are they being arrogant? How does, "I wanted something more," an example of the company being arrogant? You're projecting a whole lot of meaning based solely on your personal reaction.
You wanted it to be on par or close, and a year earlier? Well, that seems totally reasonable. I suppose it should likewise still have been $399. Whatever your hang-ups about the Blu-ray drive, the fact that you're comparing it to an unreleased product that's more than a year away and calling it disappointing shows that you never really planned to give the thing a chance short of Sony eating a bunch of cost and putting out something super high end, or you'd be willing to shell out for a $500-600 box.
DriftingSpirit
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Eh, they just gave people folders when they have been asking for that.
But seriously, I think it is more they are targeting certain consumers and a few consumers that are already in Sony's ecosystem don't like it. It is okay not to like it. I don't think it indicates they aren't trying to give consumers what they want though.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Next gen is potentially 4 years away.
Besides there will be no more generational flips simply because for both MS and Sony people are tied to ecosystems in a way they never were in the PS2 and late PS3 eras.
If Microsoft gains back marketshare, it will be a slow drain not an overnight flip.
It's $50 more than the official RRP was last week for a machine with over twice the GPU power, twice the storage, etc. Despite zero competition in this segment.
I mean, Sony could easily have sat on their hands this year, kept selling the standard model with a $50 price cut this year, and left it at that. But they didn't. They're giving a pretty great, price accessible new option for people buying in this holiday.
This should really answer your question about cost cutting, giving people a good deal, and complacency/arrogance. I think it's the polar opposite.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...nt-on-playstation-as-battery-business-is-sold
If it keeps spinning off other parts of its business it'll be more dependent on Playstation.
Dee Dah Dave
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What's his excuse going to be when it turns up in the PS5 then?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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One. Quarter.
The market showed it's something that people want. The content is now there. 4k televisions are now much more common.
Take your pick.
Never said it was impressive. I said it was forward thinking. The same Xbox one OS with a dedicated pool of ram outside of what's available for games will be amazing for alot of users.
RichiRamjag
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It may be forward thinking, but the sluggish OS isn't impressive. Compatibility with apps I never used even on my surface book doesn't mean much. Some of us just want to play games and that's all. MS is honestly just taking a kitchen sink approach and seeing what sticks.
The Scorpio is their best shot at making some difference and pricing is gonna be a major factor there.