Destiny: Rise of Iron - Launch Trailer
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Aztechnology
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So I've been playing WoW for a bout two weeks and I'm done, just isn't the same game anymore. It's extremely simple in a disappointingly rigid way (The simplified rotations weren't replaced with fun mechanics or anything I can tell to make the experience more engaging) and most classes don't feel unqiue or meaningful in ways they used to.
The funny thing is, WoW made me miss Destiny in the same way that Destiny made me miss WoW. This is coming from someone who played years of heroic raiding and still wants incredibly challenging content you can't find in many other places. The irony is, The game has been casualized to relatively extreme degree which has been a source of frustration, but at the same time it's not casual enough to be more engaging like Destiny is. Destiny has a different kind of skill cap I would argue is lower than WoW (At least for PVE) However, it's much more engaging in how it delivers content, you're always in the moment, you don't miss anything on screen and are always actively engaged unlike WoW which has a level of buff/debuff and bar watching constantly, My only frustration is the perpetual Dirth of content. If Destiny could overcome that hurdle, offer us some more longevity to the PVE content with continued scalibility and challenge like WoW has started to do with Diable Esque rift levels etc. I would be on board with renewed vigor.
Regardless, I don't have a PS4 currently so I can't splurge on this to tide me over until the Pro. But I may jump in later. All I know is, I'm genuinely excited for Destiny 2 now. Especially if it comes out on PC.
The funny thing is, WoW made me miss Destiny in the same way that Destiny made me miss WoW. This is coming from someone who played years of heroic raiding and still wants incredibly challenging content you can't find in many other places. The irony is, The game has been casualized to relatively extreme degree which has been a source of frustration, but at the same time it's not casual enough to be more engaging like Destiny is. Destiny has a different kind of skill cap I would argue is lower than WoW (At least for PVE) However, it's much more engaging in how it delivers content, you're always in the moment, you don't miss anything on screen and are always actively engaged unlike WoW which has a level of buff/debuff and bar watching constantly, My only frustration is the perpetual Dirth of content. If Destiny could overcome that hurdle, offer us some more longevity to the PVE content with continued scalibility and challenge like WoW has started to do with Diable Esque rift levels etc. I would be on board with renewed vigor.
Regardless, I don't have a PS4 currently so I can't splurge on this to tide me over until the Pro. But I may jump in later. All I know is, I'm genuinely excited for Destiny 2 now. Especially if it comes out on PC.
I really hope that with Destiny 2 they move away with one relevant raid at a time philosophy. And I will definitely be disappointed if Destiny 2 launches with one raid. It's a bit monotonous to only have one at a time...we can't even play the old ones for fun either because of how over leveled we are (not everyone has kept their pre TDB armour and weapons hah).
Infact they could make VoG relevant in April update in a very canon way due to the Siva virus as someone suggested here on GAF.
Considering it's 3 years of development with lessons learned from Destiny 1, I expect atleast as much content as all year 1 stuff combined from Destiny 2.
Infact they could make VoG relevant in April update in a very canon way due to the Siva virus as someone suggested here on GAF.
Considering it's 3 years of development with lessons learned from Destiny 1, I expect atleast as much content as all year 1 stuff combined from Destiny 2.
Aztechnology
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Having event challenges where you go into an old raid with unique modifiers that change and enemies being scaled up would be nice. Like an additional form of Nightfalls or something with fun rewards even if they aren't big time weapons or anything. Maybe just some fun unique cosmetic goods or such.
I also hope they bring a lot more variety in enemy type in Destiny 2. That was one source of disappointment I had in the past. So many enemies are just reskinned or larger in size versions of the same enemies. Hopefully as they've continued to build assets we see a lot more unique stuff that changes up static enemy types.
If they go the route of introducing a new plyable race (I'm thinking Fallen) then they could inherently create new subclasses without having to do much work on the old setups aside from balance.
irrotational
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Good point! I assume there would be an article if you knew...but any gossip on whether the engine and/or game tools have been overhauled to stop the "8 hours per box move" problem?
I could see them wiping the slate completely clean.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Write another big Destiny Article please.
Destiny 2 just really needs a new engine. That was their main problem, and a main problem with their current game. The engine does not allow them to easily put in content, which is super necessary for a loot based game, as you dont want to be doing the same thing over and over again.
Destiny should really have a lot more of everything. There is nothing besides the raid which I feel like is hard game design or should take a while to implement. Either that, or give us really good procedural generation
Destiny should really have a lot more of everything. There is nothing besides the raid which I feel like is hard game design or should take a while to implement. Either that, or give us really good procedural generation
IIRC their main problem was that they needed to tailor everything for last gen consoles (although I do recall their proprietary engine giving them a lot of issues as well).
I agree with Jason. D2 is going to be ginormous.
Im hoping D2 releases with as much content as Vanilla/TDB/HOTW. I think that would be a good start
I think pushing on last gen was a mistake obviously, but that shouldnt stop the game from lacking a ludicrous amount of content.
Theyve already delayed the game from what ive heard and switched directors, but it wont matter if they stick with that engine or they improve it tremendously. But the way I look at it, is why havent any the patches featured a bevvy of new content into the game? I still think that the engine is the bottleneck, especially as Bungie generally likes their content to be super polished.
Content is the big thing though. It was Destiny 1's greatest downfall. You want to play the game a lot to get all the cool guns, but you aren't given enough variance to want to play the game more often.
Aztechnology
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I hope very little and that's someone who has a fair amount of time and stuff in Destiny. Love me a fresh start. Plus the Meta needs to be constantly shifting and just continuing to make everything carry forward can seriously stagnate combat.
Absolutely. There's nothing worth saving in Destiny 1 for the most part, if it impedes Destiny 2 in any way. Characters aren't especially interesting or unique enough to be worth keeping. I want them to make actual classes with meaningful differences. Not just melee effects are different or this one has a slightly floatier jump.
I'm still hopeful for better matchmaking options in Destiny 2. I like playing with other people but most times I just want to get into an activity quick. Raids not having match making is fine and can be the exception for this but more in game methods of playing with people would be nice.
Very small team and I suspect most of their manpower is on the raid.
Why can't you raid? No MM sucks but DGAF can help alleviate that.
I question their priorities, if that's the case. Obviously, they would have to fight the PR beastie of "WOT- NO RAID?!!?" if they didn't include one, but considering the significantly smaller population that takes part in raid play, it probably would've been better to focus on creating more story and/or strike content.
Princess Carl
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Considering the horror stories from their in house engine, I hope they figured something out for D2.
I would prefer this too, but the hysteria would be palpable. They need to have a raid people can run every week for the next year or their devoteds would fucking riot.
I also question why they don't do a better job leveraging old content. All the strikes should be included in the strike playlists. They could also include more random enemy encounters and placement, like Diablo 3 rifts, to add replay value.
No Raid would be a deathblow for the game until D2 launches. Like it or not it is the endgame content that keeps PvE players coming back. Trust me, I would love more story and strikes but I understand having to focus on the Raid with limited manpower/budget.
Smokey_Run
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They'll leverage old content when they need a shot in the arm next year like the April Update this year.
If that's the case, then this has no reason to be priced at more than $20.
I can't stand using a mic online, and playing through a 3-4 hour mission just sounds like a chore, but I don't blame Bungie for that.
I only wish they there were more Strikes and Missions.
A Nephalem Rift equivalent is a NECESSITY for Destiny 2
There are raid checkpoints if you need to leave and take a break, and while having a mic is preferred it isn't mandatory.
$20 implies TDB/HoW level content and RoI is more substantial than either of those.
Hmm, perhaps I might try one then if I can find a group without mics, so I'm not the odd man out.
TDB and HoW were complete rip-offs as well. Both of those "expansions" had maybe ten dollars worth of content.
I even think Taken King was overpriced for what's in there.
Bungie has a bunch of talented engineers and software developers - they will be fine.
How do we bring our characters with us into D2 if they introduce entirely new classes?
Absolutely. It's a loot game and no one is doing it better than Diablo these days. They should be one of the main studios Bungie is talking to. Not only is that extremely fun, high quality content, but it leverages existing assets in ways that makes them feel fresh and fun.
I do not expect Destiny 2 to do this. My faith in Bungie is pretty low, to be honest.
wesleyshark
Banned
Mmmmm. Yes
Indeed. Just keeping all of the strikes in rotation and creating higher level versions of the older raids would do wonders.
You don't. Maybe they'll have some universe altering event a la FFIV:ARR or a new story but I'd be surprised if they balance Destiny 2 for both experienced and new players.
SlimySnake
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Well, looking at other games with classes like Mass Effect, Fallout and other RPGs, they will have the same classes but with slightly different perks and improvements in addition to new classes or subclasses. I am sure your progress wont carry over and you will have to start from scratch. It's part of the reason why we play RPGs after all.
Someone was suggesting that we should be allowed to bring over our year 1,2 and 3 weapons. Again, when have we ever seen this? I am sure there will be guns that are similar. CoD after all uses the same gun variants and calls them different names every year, but I just dont see why they would let you bring old weapons when there will already be variants of those weapons in this game that should be FUN to find and earn.
What's the point of a loot game that already gives you all the loot from year 1?
I just want them to completely overhaul the open world system. they can still have zones since they need matchmaking but i want to able to fly ships in space AND in thes e patrol zones. i want tanks and other vehicles. They were in Halo 1 15 years ago. Though they might screw up the gunplay focused nature of Destiny which is easily the best thing about the game.
BattleMonkey
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I rather see more regular use content for everyone rather than the massive time sink raid development is. Lot of MMO developers have been stepping away from raids, as it's a big investment of time to make when that can be used to add more content for the general population, rather than just catering to a hard core crowd.
I want a fresh start in Destiny 2, at least in the way of gear. Leveling in vanilla and getting your legendary gear was a big deal, not so much anymore when you're already maxed on stuff and just searching for LL upgrades.
Raids are the best part of the game. Honestly if the raids weren't what they were, I probably wouldn't be playing it now. VoG singlehandedly carried the mess of Destiny 1 for me.
Raids are the best part of the game. Honestly if the raids weren't what they were, I probably wouldn't be playing it now. VoG singlehandedly carried the mess of Destiny 1 for me.
NeOak
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Any idea if we will be able to carry our save data across platforms for D2?
I would double dip if that were possible. I have a bunch of friends scattered all over both XBO and PS4.
wesleyshark
Banned
Across platforms I don't see happening, unfortunately.
Because they're not gonna wipe D "1". Destiny will continue to update in place. Existing MMOs like WoW dealt with this just fine, it's okay to have obviously old content areas that exist alongside obviously newer ones.
No.
Not because it's not technically possible (it is), but because first party politics.
Raids have always been a tiny sliver of a total game's population, even for WoW, but part of the beauty of raid design is it's one of the few things you can basically throw out a bunch of "BEST PRACTICES(TM)" and unleash yourself and try to break your most hardcore fans and get them coming back smiling for more. Even Blizzard has said that raids are geared towards those diehards and that's why they kept making them. I imagine Bungie will keep making them for the same reason. It's okay if certain things in Destiny aren't played by everyone, because the idea is that there should be so much stuff to do that doing it all should be.. hard to do.
it doesn't sound like you like the game very much. What keeps you coming back?
NeOak
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Let me guess: Sony?
While there should be more content for general players I don't agree with not having a raid. A game can have content for casual players while still having a raid for the hardcore crowd that sticks with the game months after new content has launched
anothertech
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I know right!!? Was hoping for a little more new design for the last dlc. But I guess I wasn't really expecting it at this point.
One of the reasons people argue against matchmaking for raids is the concern that raids might get changed in some way to accommodate the less devoted players who use may use that feature. If Bungie dropped a raid entirely to produce content for everyone, the community would cannibalize itself.
Visuals? Emblems? I dunno. I imagine Bungie's still trying to answer these questions.
DestinyGAF will easily help you without a mic......you just better be ready to listen lol
What exactly were you wanting? They showed a bunch of new weapons, ornaments, multiple armor sets, the raid... None of those are reskins of anything.
EL CUCO
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Have you nosed around on what would be the chances we get 60fps and dedicated servers? 👀
It has the best FPS gameplay available right now. Nothing even comes close.
The art design is stellar.
I like to watch numbers go up.
Thinking that the amount of post-release content has been severely lacking has nothing to do with me enjoying the actual game.
In fact, that's what frustrates me most. That there isn't more of it.
Lol, that's the thing though. Destiny is my main podcast game. I don't take it seriously enough to raid.