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[Tecnniqe]

I mean, I agree. Guns should be the last solution 100% of the time, but unfortunately that does not seem to the case at all in the US. However with fleeing suspects, especially those on foot, trying to hit the legs with a gun (if they truly must use it instead of other alternatives) seems far more likely to not result in a death than shooting them in the torso.

I mean, this dude was reading a book in his car. How the heck does that escalate to a murder by a cop (which is the proper name for this)? Why do so many situations that can 100% be solved with non-violent solutions escalate to murder by cops? Especially so if the suspect(s) happens to be not white? What kind of training do these people receive? Why do they act like they are on a sort of warzone 24/7 in which everyone is gunning for them?

I honestly cannot grasp how these sort of situations can happen, I truly cannot. Much less so when they are almost a daily activity....

There is something terribly wrong with the police force over there.

If they we're truly trained for a war zone they would know that you only ever raise your firearm at someone when you are going to shoot. Police pulls a fun on you before they even start talking.
It's safer in the streets with military control at this point. At least they know how to properly use a firearm one would imagine.


America is criticizing the Philippines for the possible killings of drug dealers there, ignoring the fact that there are innocent civilians getting killed in their own backyard.

 

[ThirtyPlus]

I nominate that the "administrative leave" cops are put on following a death on duty be renamed a "Slaycation." All in favor?

 

[shoplifter]

b) Actually shoot to kill instead of leg/arm immobilization shots (and no, these are not impossible; the legs in particular are often very exposed and somewhat safer to aim at in most cases)

 

[Woetyler]

This has to stop.

 

[platocplx]

Just going to do my friendly post on whats wrong with policing today and all the issues that need to be solved. Get involved people.

Go to this site: CampaignZero

Wholly they are looking to make this the platform to use:

Below is a summary of what they are looking to accomplish. This is what needs to change.

• Decriminalize/De-Prioritize certain petty offenses
• End Profiling and "Stop-and-Frisk"
• Establish Alternative Approaches to Mental Health Crises

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/brokenwindows

• Establish effective civilian oversight structures
• Remove barriers to reporting police misconduct

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/oversight

• Establish standards and reporting of police use of deadly force
• Revise and strengthen local police department use of force policies
• End traffic-related police killings and dangerous high-speed police chases
• Monitor how police use force and proactively hold officers accountable for excessive force

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/force

• Lower the standard of proof for Department of Justice civil rights investigations of police officers
• Use federal funds to encourage independent investigations and prosecutions
• Establish a permanent Special Prosecutor's Office at the State level for cases of police violence
• Require independent investigations of all cases where police kill or seriously injure civilians

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/investigations

• Increase the number of police officers who reflect the communities they serve
• Use community feedback to inform police department policies and practices

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/representation

• Require the use of body cameras - in addition to dashboard cameras
• The Right to Record Police

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/film-the-police

• Invest in Rigorous and Sustained Training
• Intentionally consider 'unconscious' or 'implicit' racial bias

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/train

• End police department quotas for tickets and arrests
• Limit fines and fees for low-income people
• Prevent police from taking the money or property of innocent people

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/end-policing-for-profit

• End the Federal Government's 1033 Program Providing Military Weaponry to Local Police Departments
• Establish Local Restrictions to Prevent Police Departments from Purchasing or Using Military Weaponry

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/demilitarization

• Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight
• Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public
• Ensure officers do not get paid after they kill or seriously injure a civilian

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts

 

[Newt]

If you're pulling out a gun on a cop they don't have much of a choice...

It's tragic what happened, but from what I know from this story, the cops were justified.

America really needs to start making guns less openly available.

 

[crisdecuba]

I mean, I agree. Guns should be the last solution 100% of the time, but unfortunately that does not seem to the case at all in the US. However with fleeing suspects, especially those on foot, trying to hit the legs with a gun (if they truly must use it instead of other alternatives) seems far more likely to not result in a death than shooting them in the torso.

I don't believe it's legal to shoot at a *fleeing* suspect.

 

[johnny956]

If you're pulling out a gun on a cop they don't have much of a choice...

It's tragic what happened, but from what I know from this story, the cops were justified.

America really needs to start making guns less openly available.

We're doing the opposite. We're making them even more openly available

 

[Future]

If you're pulling out a gun on a cop they don't have much of a choice...

It's tragic what happened, but from what I know from this story, the cops were justified.

America really needs to start making guns less openly available.

So is that true. I know police said that but didn't witnesses say something else?

 

[BattleMonkey]

So is there a record of how many people been killed by cops this year, and how many of them were for unarmed individuals?

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

sad case. completely unnecessary it seems.

 

[EdibleKnife]

So is there a record of how many people been killed by cops this year, and how many of them were for unarmed individuals?

The Counted

 

[johnny956]

hey america, here is an idea.
how about putting your future cops through an actual proper training and education like even the worst 3rd world countries do?
maybe you can even sort out all the racist redneck shits who seem to slip through the cracks on regular base.

smh



wasn't there even a case where officers actually put a gun next to the dead victim to make it look like he was armed?

This one was back in 2011 but thankfully they are charging him with murder

 

[dave is ok]

So is that true. I know police said that but didn't witnesses say something else?

The family is saying one thing and the police are saying another. So someone is lying.

 

[RocknRola]

I don't believe it's legal to shoot at a *fleeing* suspect.

Hasn't really stopped them yet...

 

[Breads]

America is criticizing the Philippines for the possible killings of drug dealers there, ignoring the fact that there are innocent civilians getting killed in their own backyard.

Yeah these are totally similar things.

You know the state sanctioned murder of reporters and people who criticize the government and the just plain doxing of people the government doesn't like in hopes that they will be driven out of their homes or killed in the streets.

Not a false equivalence at all.

I would say your heart is in the right place but I don't know what you stand to gain by trying to compare the two situations. In the US people want the laws to change to hold the police accountable while the other side of the arguement are basically saying cops deserve to kill whoever they feel like. Not sure what rock you're living under but we the public are not okay with what is happening.

 

[ColdLasagna]

Ice-T and Body Count song "Cop Killer."

24 Years later, still as relevant as ever.

 

[Big Green Anus]

When a black dude goes full Don Lemon in a thread.
He even tries to pull the "as a black man" bs to discredit our voices. smh

I'm sorry to being off-topic, but is there something wrong with Don't Lemon? I've been watching CNN for the past two-three months and he has been talking about black issues.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Yeah these are totally similar things.

You know the state sanctioned murder of reporters and people who criticize the government and the just plain doxing of people the government doesn't like in hopes that they will be driven out of their homes or killed in the streets.

Not a false equivalence at all.

I would say your heart is in the right place but I don't know what you stand to gain by trying to compare the two situations. In the US people want the laws to change to hold the police accountable while the other side of the arguement are basically saying cops deserve to kill whoever they feel like. Not sure what rock you're living under but we the public are not okay with what is happening.

I'm not saying America is killing journalists and so on but its almost comparable as the state clearly give no fucks. If they did we wouldn't be here.

 

[ExVicis]

I'm getting real tired of this. No wait scratch that, I've been real tired of this. This is disgusting. I could be sitting anywhere in public apparently reading a book and suddenly find myself tazed and shot several times for nothing other than someone thought from far away my book looked suspicious.

With the disgusting amount of times this happens and with how dumb these circumstances are, Kaepernick and his silent protest is way less than issue deserves and I hope more and more NFL players and celebrities start protesting like this.

 

[paragonpro]

I tried to hold out hope for good cops, but I cant anymore when the whole batch is poisioned, so im gonna say something about the cops ive never said before...fucking pigs.

 

[AlphaSnake]

So I'm confused, the first report said he had a book. But now the official reports and eyewitnesses say he had a gun and that it was recovered and there was no book anywhere in the car (although it seems like the gun was registered and legal?)

So which is it?

 

[TheStruggler]

Ice-T and Body Count song "Cop Killer."

24 Years later, still as relevant as ever.

so is Fuck the Police by NWA

 

[Breads]

I'm not saying America is killing journalists and so on but its almost comparable as the state clearly give no fucks. If they did we wouldn't be here.

That's not what you said but if it's what you meant I will take it.

As much as the right tries to paint this as a partisan issue I think that's bullshit. Although the left leaning public are up in arms about police accountability I find the left leaning representatives shockingly tight lipped about it, which I find troubling. I hear mention about inequality but I don't hear anyone at an official level actually trying to do anything about it yet and to that end yeah, I agree that they, our leadership in the left and the right, give no fucks.

 

[Bolivar687]

This thread title probably needs to be changed.

maybe you can even sort out all the racist redneck shits who seem to slip through the cracks on regular base.

The officer who killed this man is black.

 

[Stinkles]

So I'm confused, the first report said he had a book. But now the official reports and eyewitnesses say he had a gun and that it was recovered and there was no book anywhere in the car (although it seems like the gun was registered and legal?)

So which is it?

According to NPR this morning - and that's about as sane a source as you can get on the radio in the morning I suppose, there was never a book and that was a rumor started at the scene by protestors.

So we're stuck in the factual mire of:

Police do in fact obviously encounter a lot of bad men.
Police do in fact shoot good people for no reason with surprising frequency.
Police factually report evidence.
Police plant and fabricate evidence all the time.
Families of good people point out that they were innocent.
Families of murderers and burglars think their relatives were spectacularly innocent.

So I guess we wait? No reason to stop protesting while the bold is still true.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Do you guys believe the easy availability of guns in the US contributes to this senseless police brutality? I imagine shit would be different if the police wouldnt have to worry so much that the next person they pull over might be packing!

 

[Stinkles]

Do you guys believe the easy availability of guns in the US contributes to this senseless police brutality? I imagine shit would be different if the police wouldnt have to worry so much that the next person they pull over might be packing!

This isn't even arguable.

In most countries, a subject brandishing a gun is more likely to be brandishing a bb gun or replica than the real thing (and that's ignoring the very low likelihood of them brandishing anything north of a knife). I live in a progressive, liberal state but I can walk four hundred feet from here and buy a gun and a frisbee in the same store.

 

[AlphaSnake]

According to NPR this morning - and that's about as sane a source as you can get on the radio in the morning I suppose, there was never a book and that was a rumor started at the scene by protestors.

So we're stuck in the factual mire of:

Police do in fact obviously encounter a lot of bad men.
Police do in fact shoot good people for no reason with surprising frequency.
Police factually report evidence.
Police plant and fabricate evidence all the time.
Families of good people point out that they were innocent.
Families of murderers and burglars think their relatives were spectacularly innocent.

So I guess we wait? No reason to stop protesting while the bold is still true.

Yeah, I guess the waiting game starts.

Do you guys believe the easy availability of guns in the US contributes to this senseless police brutality? I imagine shit would be different if the police wouldnt have to worry so much that the next person they pull over might be packing!

Yes. It's way too easy to obtain guns and have them end up in the wrong hands whether legally or not. Also, guns are always being stolen from houses and cars, especially in the southern areas where they are more prominent. My friend had his car broken into a few months ago, his glovebox tore open and his handgun stolen. He's an extremely responsible person, did it all by the books...and yet he fell victim to assholes. I was also reading an article that trucks were targeted 8/10 times in hopes of stealing a gun.

Stolen guns end up on streets 99% of the time and the police never know who to trust and who not to trust. But they are most definitely more scared of black folk as opposed to white, so therein lies a racial bias and massive gap of who they shoot and who they detain. This country has a massive problem, and it starts with our shitty ass constitution.

 

[dan2026]

What some Americans don't seem to understand is that it is the proliferation and easy access to guns that is a the heart of the quick trigger finger cops problem.

Yes there will still be racist murder cops but if they weren't all so afraid that every citizen is carrying a gun there would be much less deaths.

Solve one and you get half way to solving the other. I strongly believe this.

But the country doesn't seem to care much about solving either so I guess its all for naut.

 

[Mr. X]

The daughter of the decreased said he had a book.

Police say he was threatening them but they're is no body cam from the officer who shot and the other officers with body cams will be viewed to family but not public.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/pol...-a-gun-but-theres-no-body-camera-to-prove-it/

 

[EdibleKnife]

Do you guys believe the easy availability of guns in the US contributes to this senseless police brutality? I imagine shit would be different if the police wouldnt have to worry so much that the next person they pull over might be packing!

The existence of obviously armed and highly dangerous individuals who are arrested without incident and the existence of brutality cases that aren't simply gun related, but involve assault proves that the problem isn't simply just guns alone. Officers a primed to be afraid of minorities and that leads to guns being fondled and flames are being stoked before encounters even take place.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

What some Americans don't seem to understand is that it is the proliferation and easy access to guns that is a the heart of the quick trigger finger cops problem.

Yes there will still be racist murder cops but if they weren't all so afraid that every citizen is carrying a gun there would be much less deaths.

Solve one and you get half way to solving the other. I strongly believe this.

But the country doesn't seem to care much about solving either so I guess its all for naut.

The heart of the problem is lack of consequences. And skin color in some cases. If the conviction rate was higher folks would think twice about taking these black men out.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I'm sorry to being off-topic, but is there something wrong with Don't Lemon? I've been watching CNN for the past two-three months and he has been talking about black issues.

He's only just now not talking about these issues through a white perspective. He might be learning and growing in front of us all.

 

[Figboy79]

And people wonder why blacks are terrified to interact with the police.

I'm so sick of this shit. At this point, there's more reason for us to fear police than there is reason for police to fear us. The guy was waiting for his daughter and ends up dead. Fucking pathetic.

I think I'm safer not calling the cops for anything. I'll take my chances with the burglar, "officer."

 

[backflip10019]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/u...olice-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Police claim he brandished a gun at them when exiting his car.

 

[TheStruggler]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/u...olice-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Police claim he brandished a gun at them when exiting his car.

even if it was a gun, can you not own a gun in the United States of America, is that not your second amendment?

 

[Bisnic]

I don't understand american police... You think with the situation of the last years, they would at least be more careful to not "Shoot first, ask questions later", especially against black people, but they're doing nothing to improve this. It's like they're scared of every single black person outside, like they're out to kill them at every opportunity. Ironically, it's actually the other way around now.

 

[EdibleKnife]

even if it was a gun, can you not own a gun in the United States of America, is that not your second amendment?

You can own a gun in NC in particular since they have an open carry law.

I don't understand american police... You think with the situation of the last years, they would at least be more careful to not "Shoot first, ask questions later", especially against black people, but they're doing nothing to improve this. It's like they're scared of every single black person outside, like they're out to kill them at every opportunity. Ironically, it's actually the other way around now.

The situation of the last few years involving police brutality against minorities has rarely resulted in a reprimanding of officers or consequences toward the police departments of any kind. Without consequences, there's no reason to improve or change anything.

 

[Mr. X]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/u...olice-shooting.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Police claim he brandished a gun at them when exiting his car.

Open carry state and undercover cops. Once again he tried to be American exercising his rights and paid for it.

 

[TheStruggler]

You can own a gun in NC in particular since they have an open carry law.

so, white carrying a gun= all good

black carrying a gun= drug dealer, gangster and or up to no good, correct

Fuck me I know this one was on the list alreadyof what "black people shouldn't do to get shot" but just jesus christ people

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I don't understand american police... You think with the situation of the last years, they would at least be more careful to not "Shoot first, ask questions later", especially against black people, but they're doing nothing to improve this. It's like they're scared of every single black person outside, like they're out to kill them at every opportunity. Ironically, it's actually the other way around now.

They would if there were actual consequences.

Were you not trained properly and are now frustrated with the long stressful hard hours at work? Murder your way to a paid vacation.

 

[Wilsongt]

If you're pulling out a gun on a cop they don't have much of a choice...

It's tragic what happened, but from what I know from this story, the cops were justified.

America really needs to start making guns less openly available.

Had the man been white...

 

[Bisnic]

They would if there were actual consequences.

Were you not trained properly and are now frustrated with the long stressful hard hours at work? Murder your way to a paid vacation.

You'd think killing an human being(especially one who didn't threaten to kill you) would already be consequence enough for a normal person. Doesn't seem to be that way though for american police.

"Get used to kill people", they probably learn that through their training... sigh.

 

[AlphaSnake]

even if it was a gun, can you not own a gun in the United States of America, is that not your second amendment?

Open carry state and undercover cops. Once again he tried to be American exercising his rights and paid for it.

Had the man been white...

If he really had a gun with an open carry permit, you are NOT supposed to have it in your hand when approached by the police. It's supposed to be locked into your holster. Not in your hands. This is a huge issue if the reports are true.

There were 3 body cams on the other officers + recording dash cams. Certainly something can be seen and/or proven.

 

[TheStruggler]

If he really had a gun with an open carry permit, you are NOT supposed to have it in your hand when approached by the police. It's supposed to be locked into your holster. Not in your hands. This is a huge issue if the reports are true.

There were 3 body cams on the other officers + recording dash cams. Certainly something can be seen and/or proven.

while I agree however there are also quite a few stories of white people having guns and even pointing it a police officers yet the situation is deescalated with no casualties....

 

[johnny956]

If he really had a gun with an open carry permit, you are NOT supposed to have it in your hand when approached by the police. It's supposed to be locked into your holster. Not in your hands. This is a huge issue if the reports are true.

There were 3 body cams on the other officers + recording dash cams. Certainly something can be seen and/or proven.

That's the thing, if they want to control the outrage then just realize the damn footage. Either it will exonerate what the police officers said or they are full of it which we've seen multiple times

 

[AlphaSnake]

while I agree however there are also quite a few stories of white people having guns and even pointing it a police officers yet the situation is deescalated with no casualties....

Yeah, I've seen a lot of those. I do think most of them had the officers hiding behind their car doors, though.

Not sure why in these instances a lot of officers start approaching the subjects they've stopped before they are fully on the ground and cooperating. That's just fucking stupid and you're setting yourself up for a bad situation where you overreact. Stay the fuck back until your subject is in a vulnerable and safe position to approach him safely.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

even if it was a gun, can you not own a gun in the United States of America, is that not your second amendment?

They know this. They also know America is complacent enough and ready to blame black people for anything, so this will fly.

I have a dozen stories in my head right now of past examples of police either planting a gun or saying there was one when there isn't. America has to wake up that these stories are real and aren't just in the movies.

 

[Sulik2]

Another day, another murder by US police. Anyone still surprised at this point? Anyone?