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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)
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Shamrock7r
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Uh, it's an important point though.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Drink up, people. Another MLK mention by a Republican.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Concluded? I've been using words "seems", "if", "doctored", I'm very cautious about every little "detail" that's been released. I haven't concluded shit.
The point I made was that open carry or not doesn't mean a damn thing. You're not supposed to walk out of a car with a gun in your hand when the police are yelling at you. If you have a gun, you either walk out with it holstered, or drop the holster in your seat and then walk out. I'm not saying he actually HAD a gun. I'm saying nobody should be doing it in any open-carry state with a police presence.
Also, again, if that picture is real, he was not shot in his car. He was about 25 feet away from it. And only the videos can corroborate if the pic is real now.
Jerm411
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He says he hasn't seen the video but the way he's tip toeing around things and the rhetoric he's using is really making me wonder....
If we're doing an over under on the rights the police ignored.
Randolph Freelander
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NASCAR HOF is several blocks away from where the main parts of the protests were, certainly by the time they turned violent.
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He shouldn't have been approached for having a gun in the first place, unless he had it out and was swinging it around. They weren't even there for him that's the kicker.
jordan0386
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40 million blacks
1 million police.
We are asleep at the wheel. We can have reform by Friday if we mobilized on a scale not seen since the 60s.
1 million police.
We are asleep at the wheel. We can have reform by Friday if we mobilized on a scale not seen since the 60s.
That is unfortunate. I'm sure a lot of business are protected by insurance and what have you but the HOF is going to have irreplaceable items.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Charlotte Hornets NBA store too. And everyone who looted it, ran away immediately back into their cars or houses.
RIP Dale Jarrett's stabilization neck brace.
Randolph Freelander
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Yeah, I had posted that one earlier.
Here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217682894&postcount=531
Shamrock7r
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It's not known though if that's the case. That's what video footage, when/if released will hopefully clarify. Open carry doesn't mean you can do what you want with a gun in front of police, so that fact that he had a gun, if the pictures and accounts are true, shouldn't be ignored, because, as far as I know, it's not clear yet if or how exactly he was brandishing the gun. I just wouldn't consider it a moot point yet.
What the actual duck. These riots serve no purpose other than for hecklers to profit off of the unfortunate.
Gotdatmoney
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So wait for the video?
I don't understand how we are still at the point where people give a shit what the police say, what witnesses say or the like. None of this stuff is ever in line with what the video shows. The people saying it's open carry are just saying, he had a gun in itself doesn't mean anything. Besides that, I do not understand how we are even putting together the possible cause scenario for his death. "If X, Y, Z thing are true, and A, B, C are not, the police were justified!!"
Yeah aight. Anyway, I'ma just wait for the video (that of course the police and judicial system have worked hard to bury)
Doesn't mean anything unless they also passed an Open Carry While Black law and, last time I checked, that was still illegal in all 50 states
Eh there are always going to be opportunists. That doesn't mean everybody protesting is there for a chance to steal something.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Shit is fucked up. There's a woman on CNN right now talking about how the protest started very peaceful until a group of assholes on bikes and ATVs came and started trashing everything. They turned it violent and more and more came to take advantage. And of course the shooting.
Mad fucked up.
Live stream of people on the highway. I swear I just saw a car get hijacked. It is dark so it is often difficult to make out what is going on.
On the local news they said it started getting violent when they went by CMPD and people started banging on doors/windows.
Randolph Freelander
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Yes, just saw on Twitter that it appears I-277 is now being impacted. I-277 is a small loop that just goes around the downtown area.
Phineous_2
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RE: 'the constitutional rights of police officers."
Does anyone know what that refers to? Like, what constitution? The state constitution? The U.S. Constitution?
I realize my lack of constitutional knowledge is shameful, but I've never heard this before.
Does this mean that there are rights police officers have that can conflict with the general citizenry's rights?
Does anyone know what that refers to? Like, what constitution? The state constitution? The U.S. Constitution?
I realize my lack of constitutional knowledge is shameful, but I've never heard this before.
Does this mean that there are rights police officers have that can conflict with the general citizenry's rights?
Netherscourge
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Isn't NASCAR under investigation for racial discrimination itself?
I think it's just 'they have the same legal rights as everyone else' in regards to due process.
Jmanunknown
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Not really since he wasn't the person they were serving the warrant too he was a person minding his own business. They harassed him and then they killed him.
It sort of reminds me of the time that swat team blew that hole in a baby's chest by throwing a flashbang grenade in his crib and then tried to blame the baby for it literally.
Randolph Freelander
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If you have been following the coverage tonight, this is a map of the protest zone.
The blue line represents where most of the coverage (on CNN) has been located (this is NOT where yesterday's shooting occurred, that was on the northeast side of the city). The top left star indicates where someone was apparently shot tonight, which is at the intersection of Trade and Tryon, the main intersection downtown and the location of Bank of America's headquarters.
The next star is at the intersection of Trade and College, where we saw protestors and police face to face, some protestors being snatched and presumably arrested. And as the police have tried to disperse the crowd, they've moved further down the blue line, taking them past TWC Arena (where the Hornets play). The NASCAR Hall of Fame is a few blocks removed to the south, and the downtown area is enclosed by the I-277 loop and I-77.
Just to give you an idea of the area.
The blue line represents where most of the coverage (on CNN) has been located (this is NOT where yesterday's shooting occurred, that was on the northeast side of the city). The top left star indicates where someone was apparently shot tonight, which is at the intersection of Trade and Tryon, the main intersection downtown and the location of Bank of America's headquarters.
The next star is at the intersection of Trade and College, where we saw protestors and police face to face, some protestors being snatched and presumably arrested. And as the police have tried to disperse the crowd, they've moved further down the blue line, taking them past TWC Arena (where the Hornets play). The NASCAR Hall of Fame is a few blocks removed to the south, and the downtown area is enclosed by the I-277 loop and I-77.
Just to give you an idea of the area.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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It doesn't matter if he was the person they were serving the warrant to if he was getting out of his car and waving a gun at them.
We have no reason to think that's the case right now, but your post is just silly.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Yes.
Look man, I'm gonna call it how I see it (whenever it is I see it). I remember when video of the Eric Garner killing came out, I was fucking BOILING. Because that shit was straight up manslaughter. Like, I wanted that little pig motherfucker charged and indicted. I had cop friends who started shit with me and blocked me on FB. Fuck them. That was plain as day and they couldn't admit it. Because of mutual friends I even saw one of them at a get together, and the dude was pretending like we were cool as shit. And asked me for a ride home, I told him sure...and ducked out quietly.
And I've had my run ins with NYPD many times before, twice detained wrongfully. And had cops fired for incidents, as well. I ain't no cop sympathizer. But I'm also not gonna walk around with blindfolds pinning blame where it isn't due. So I'm going to wait for the video before I make my final judgements.
Fourth Stooge
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Yes, it was exactly like that. A grown man who refused to put down his gun is like a helpless baby getting blown up....
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When the police are serving a warrant, it is well within their authority to secure a safe zone.
Thank you. Some sense in this thread. Until the video is released everything is hearsay and 100% unreliable FROM BOTH SIDES. People don't seem to get that.
Tulsa looks like 100% murder (probably inexperience/fear but still murder) while this case is completely unknown until we get real facts.
Randolph Freelander
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A freelance photographer on CNN is reporting a hole in a Bank of America building. BofA has several towers downtown in the protest area, including one at the intersection where someone was shot earlier, as I mentioned previously.
Edit: Hmm, he seems to be at one further down Tryon. On my map above, start at the top of the line, and go perpendicular down the intersecting street.
Anyway, the specifics of where is interesting to me, obviously, as a local.
Edit: Hmm, he seems to be at one further down Tryon. On my map above, start at the top of the line, and go perpendicular down the intersecting street.
Anyway, the specifics of where is interesting to me, obviously, as a local.
From what he's saying it seems the damage is much more widespread than what the news coverage has been showing.
Randolph Freelander
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Yes, it certainly seems to have spread.
Randolph Freelander
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I can also say that as a Wells Fargo employee, there was a lot of communication about monitoring the events. I work from home 3 days per week and from the office the other 2. I actually work in an office building near where the protests expanded to yesterday. Tonight's protests uptown are also near several Wells Fargo office towers.
PrivateWHudson
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That thing is smaller than the officer's heal. If it's a gun, it's a tiny handbag gun or something. Nothing a cop with a vest should really be afraid of.
Jmanunknown
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Oh so your assuming he was waving the gun right? If anything your post is silly for even bringing up him waving the gun at them since even the police had not come up with that bs. Like what in your mind made you come up with that? Is that that the scenario you had to invent in your head to justify a police officer killing someone?
I guess creating safe zones also means killing innocent people to you right ? As for the baby getting its chest blown open it was a similar scenario of an innocent person getting caught in bad police work.
Randolph Freelander
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https://twitter.com/instapundit/status/778803793924231168
Law professor. USA Today columnist. 63K followers.
Blood boiling.
Law professor. USA Today columnist. 63K followers.
Blood boiling.
Randolph Freelander
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If it is a gun, if it is being used in a threatening manner (two big, huge "ifs," I'll certainly add), no. A vest is a fail-safe and is only useful if the bullet actually hits it and not some other body part.
ThLunarian
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Can't believe this isnt getting more discussion on the forum. I am in Charlotte and things are tense here. People are nervous.
I work uptown, blocks from the location of the shooting. I am wondering if I should just stay home tomorrow.
I work uptown, blocks from the location of the shooting. I am wondering if I should just stay home tomorrow.
Live feed of current chaos on the highway
Since seeing this video an hour ago I've been running this through my head. I'm driving down the highway with my kids and wife. People stop my car, start jumping up and down on top of it. Are we the next Rodney King truck driver? Do I floor it and get the hell out of there to protect my family even if I end up with a manslaughter arrest? When people are scared it isn't easy to know how to properly react. As a law professor he should know what he post is wrong but put yourself in the place of an average person driving home from work.
Jesus. My own stepdad today said somebody should get a machine gun and just open fire. "What?" he said while defending himself, "it doesn't take anything for them these days".
Grover Cleveland
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Yes
I would give Uptown a wide berth for the few days at least.
The Panthers playing at home on Sunday is going to be...a scene.
reallyfull
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Randolph Freelander
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Oh gracious.
Move the game to Clemson. It would be retro. (The Panthers played their first season at Clemson while their uptown stadium was being built.) (Terry Bradshaw rather enjoyed saying "CLEMPSON!" that year.)
After dabo comments that would the worse thing possible.
You must have forgot about those things called weapons. There is no reform coming, any 60's esque mobilization would be met with a 60's esque response, only they won't be using firehoses. The status quo is the status quo because people have a vested interest in keeping it so. Things are just not going to change, essentially no matter what.
Randolph Freelander
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OK, fine, move it to Duke.
Duke hosted the Rose Bowl one year during WW2, they have experience in these things. Still have the same stadium, too, and much of the same staff (I can't back that last part up).
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